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    Quote Originally Posted by PeteM View Post
    Hard for me to see it as courage.
    Look at their death car. They faced that every day for years. You do that and tell me it doesn't take balls.

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    Once they got into the business, they didn't have much choice. The last time Bonnie saw her family, she gave them instructions for her funeral.

    They lasted as long as they did because police jurisdiction did not extend beyond their territory. Police would chase them to the border of their state, then quit. Today with the hot pursuit laws, radios and helicopters, they wouldn't last a fraction as long as they did then.

    They were vicious killers and I see no reason to romanticize them.

    Bill

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    Quote Originally Posted by gustafson View Post
    Oh, wait, wait, now you are talking about enforcement

    how very tedious of you

    of the top 1/3 [17] states in murder rate, 13 have the death penalty

    you have no point
    Let’s try this again. Less than 1600 executions total in 43 years. Having the death penalty and implementing the death penalty are two very different things. You cannot claim it doesn’t work, if it hasn’t been used.

    You tell people they don’t have no point, when they spell it out in crayon and give historical data associated. Take time to read what is posted, rather than trying to win an argument. My wife has trained me for times like this

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fal Grunt View Post

    I have stated on numerous occasions, SOMETHING NEEDS TO CHANGE. You are, very pointedly, fixed on gun control. Yet the poll you posted says the respondents think mental health would be more effective. So I ask you why gun control over mental health?



    You are the one driving people apart... you are the one insulting and mocking.


    If you want to discuss what we can do to stop gun violence, I am listening.
    I mock the foolish who say more of the same will do better

    Something needs to change?
    Absolutely

    Start using your brain

    where there are more guns, there are more gun deaths, everywhere

    I post the statistics, silence


    That is why I mock, you want to live in a world where the solution to everything is a shootout in the street, fine, put a vending machine full of guns on every street corner


    You are safer in Mass than in Texas, Alabama, Mississippi, because we have better education, better health care, and yes, better gun control

    Yes health care is a big part of it

    But here's the thing

    What does the right wing want to do, but kill health care, kill education, give everyone a gun.

    So you want to play games and pretend to be all rational, that is fine, I am not buying in


    More guns, more gun deaths, always

    You have no evidence to the contrary, because this always follows.

    Mass has the same murder rate as South Dakota, and no one lives in SD, they have to go look for people to kill.


    You want to have a rational conversation, stop talking about 'fake news' and start investigating your facts.

    What are the safer places in the country? The ones where there is population density? What are they doing?

    Stop reading the NRA newsletter for all your facts

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    Quote Originally Posted by EmanuelGoldstein View Post
    Look at their death car. They faced that every day for years. You do that and tell me it doesn't take balls.
    No it takes stupid and a lot of mental problems

    It takes balls to live your life straight, not to go out and shoot innocent people

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mram10 View Post
    Let’s try this again. Less than 1600 executions total in 43 years. Having the death penalty and implementing the death penalty are two very different things. You cannot claim it doesn’t work, if it hasn’t been used.

    You tell people they don’t have no point, when they spell it out in crayon and give historical data associated. Take time to read what is posted, rather than trying to win an argument. My wife has trained me for times like this
    The death penalty has never been effective, ever.

    You have given no historical data, crayon or otherwise, but look I did. Counter it, please.

    you have a highly speculative argument, let's kill more people, that'll fix it

    with no proof

    Texas kills people with intellectual impairment

    evidence of prosecutorial misconduct

    appelate judges who make up their own theories of the crime

    junk science


    kill em all let god sort them out

    No

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    Quote Originally Posted by gustafson View Post
    kill em all let god sort them out
    I don't see any sense having my tax dollars go to feed and house scumbags.
    Population reform that's what congress should take up next

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    Quote Originally Posted by AJ H View Post
    I don't see any sense having my tax dollars go to feed and house scumbags.
    Population reform that's what congress should take up next
    Well, since mass incarceration is ineffective, stop putting everyone in jail

    Your tax dollars by and large go to housing petty criminals and drug addicts who would be more effectively managed in other ways

    I am not saying that prison is not necessary, but at the point that it becomes a financial issue, you are putting too many people in jail

    The amount of people on death row[actual or theoretical] does not amount to a significant percentage of the prison costs

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    Quote Originally Posted by gustafson View Post
    I mock the foolish who say more of the same will do better
    Yet you keep pushing gun control despite the fact that mass shootings have increased since the 1970s when the push for gun control accelerated and many new laws were passed.


    Quote Originally Posted by gustafson View Post
    Among the 25 states with low murder rates, 11 have the death penalty (Kansas, Ohio, South Dakota, Montana, Colorado, Washington, Wyoming, Oregon, Idaho, Utah, New Hampshire). The other 14 states with low murder rates don’t have the death penalty. They include Wisconsin, New Jersey, West Virginia, Connecticut, Nebraska, New York, North Dakota, Rhode Island, Minnesota, Iowa, Massachusetts, Maine, Vermont and Hawaii.s
    While I have mixed feelings about the death penalty (It entrusts government literally with the power of life and death which governments historically have abused) I'll address the issue of states with low murder rates.

    You list three of our fellow New England states, New Hampshire, Maine, and Vermont among those with low murder rates yet you ignore the fact that all three have far looser gun laws than us. Vermont in fact has the loosest gun laws in the entire nation. Per your "logic" they should have the highest murder rate in the country.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 9100 View Post
    They were vicious killers and I see no reason to romanticize them.
    Bill
    Well at least they never shot up a wallmart. Or a kid's elementary school. It's
    a bit disengenious to say stop romanticizing them when you hand today's
    shooters basically the same guns to do what they did, without the profit motive
    of course.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Scottl View Post

    You list three of our fellow New England states, New Hampshire, Maine, and Vermont among those with low murder rates yet you ignore the fact that all three have far looser gun laws than us. Vermont in fact has the loosest gun laws in the entire nation. Per your "logic" they should have the highest murder rate in the country.
    [sigh]

    population density

    Over and over Scott, you keep ignoring the basic facts that you need to absorb in order to discuss the issue

    DO you expect Idaho to have a lower or higher murder rate than Rhode Island?


    Rhode Island has 1000 people per square mile

    Idaho has 22


    The state you list are among the least dense, and they are surrounded by states with tight gun control laws

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    Density:
    vt 68
    me 44
    nh152


    mass 890

    when one cannot see another human, it is more difficult to shoot them

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    Still trying to wrap my head around 1000 people in a square mile. Where the hell do you plant the corn? I swear libtards won't be happy until they import so many voters we're living in torpedo tube size apartments like in Tokyo

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    No wonder people keep losing it. They're asshole deep in assholes

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    Quote Originally Posted by AJ H View Post
    No wonder people keep losing it.
    go look up the numbers

    Do you suppose I chose those two states at random?


    they are both the same, murder rate of 1.9/100k

    so no, they don't keep losing it

    the people in Idaho do

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    Probably from the lack of snowflake safe spaces to calm them down

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    Quote Originally Posted by AJ H View Post
    Probably from the lack of snowflake safe spaces to calm them down
    so it would seem

    those right wing snowflakes are so easily agitated

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    Quote Originally Posted by Scottl View Post
    Yet you keep pushing gun control despite the fact that mass shootings have increased since the 1970s when the push for gun control accelerated and many new laws were passed.

    And where have the mass shootings been focused?

    Yeah, low gun law states

    Not exclusively

    There have been at least 19 deadly mass shootings in the US so far in 2019 - ABC News

    just the first that came up,. feel free to choose a source with different parameters

    'free gun states'

    84 victims

    'gun control states'

    17

    9 not sure

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    Quote Originally Posted by gustafson View Post
    so it would seem

    those right wing snowflakes are so easily agitated
    Maybe they can identify as being level headed and sensible. That seems to magically change reality

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    Quote Originally Posted by AJ H View Post
    Maybe they can identify as being level headed and sensible. That seems to magically change reality
    Personally I don't care how they identify

    Just wish they would stop shooting people

    that would magically change reality


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