Thread: What can we as individuals or a group do about gun violence?

There should be stricter requirements in gun ownership such as psychological test and other legal requirements. As a group, maybe we can use our voice to encourage the government to amend the law.

"Why Buildings Fall Down" by Matthys Levi and Mario Salvadori. ISBN 0-393-31152-X

Good bedside reading about structural failures and reasons for. Copyright 1992 so prior to WTC collapse.

Originally Posted by julkor

There should be stricter requirements in gun ownership such as psychological test and other legal requirements. As a group, maybe we can use our voice to encourage the government to amend the law.

Aaah, another antigunner pops up with suggestions for yet more hurdles for gun owners (snip, snip, cutting em down bit by bit).

A "psychological test"? Perhaps the one designed by Milland?

Originally Posted by Milland

"The proof that a person is unqualified for to own firearms is the fact that they wish to own them."

And who is to design this test, the same psychiatric bunch who has so far failed so badly in preventing these incidents?

Quite a few of the mass shooters were already under some kind of "psychiatric care". Hardly a record of success.

Trail Break!
Month ago, I was heading up this trail north of Butte to see a mining site worked in the early 1900s, one of the most remote and difficult to reach mines I have been to. Goes to show what people did to get gold back then
Anyway this is some serious bear and cat country, I took this 22 rimfire rifle that I re-worked with the mighty power of my machine shop, and an old S&W 38/44, with Elmer Keith loads just in case.
Anyway, hiking along plinking a few rimfire rounds along the way, I just don't run into cats and bears.

And now, a kind word for the Hill Billy Rifle "the mini 14"!

That's a dangerous sniper rifle you got there. We're gonna need common sense scope control. Real hunters don't need to shoot game from so far away. What's that? You're eyes aren't so good anymore and can't see the iron sights? Sounds like you shouldn't be allowed a gun at all!

Originally Posted by donie

Trail Break!
I took this 22 rimfire rifle that I re-worked with the mighty power of my machine shop, and an old S&W 38/44, with Elmer Keith loads just in case.
Anyway, hiking along plinking a few rimfire rounds along the way, I just don't run into cats and bears.

Read your post and was disappointed it still shoots rimfires, I thought you had modified it to shoot 38/44s. Oh, well it still looks nice.

"Uncle Joe" Biden, lead candidate for the presidency has released details of his gun control ban.

Joe Biden'''s 2020 gun safety plan would reinstate assault weapons ban - Axios

The centerpiece of the proposal is a ban on "assault weapons and high-capacity magazines" with 2 options for existing owners.

1. Sell it to the government. (same deal as O'Rourke's "buyback)
2. Register it under the National Firearms Act

Of course option 2 wouldn't be as simple as it sounds. Given how long NFA transfers already take with a much smaller number of firearms how long would waits be after suddenly adding over 20 million more firearms?

20 million too high you say? Think again. Under his likely definition of the term "assault weapons" probably most semi-autos that can accept high-capacity magazines would be included. That's not just AR-15s and AK types but also Mini-14s, M1As, M1 carbines, and most pistol caliber carbines. And that 20 million figure doesn't include most full size semi-auto pistols, which might be part of such a ban.

So what would be the legal status of those holding on to their legally purchased items while waiting for government permission to keep them? Sounds like a potential trap to me.

So what else is in the plan?

• Mandating universal background checks for all gun sales, except for gifts between close family members.
• Closing the "boyfriend," "hate crime," "fugitive from justice," and "Charleston" loopholes in the current federal background check system.
• Ending the online sales of guns.
• Incentivizing states to implement gun licensing programs of their own.
• Calling on Congress to appropriate $50 million to accelerate research on causes and prevention of gun violence at the CDC and NIH.
• Prohibiting the use of federal funds to arm or train educators to use guns in schools.

So much for "not after your guns".

Originally Posted by donie

Trail Break! . . . And now, a kind word for the Hill Billy Rifle "the mini 14"!

Pretty clear from the grips on that, you've lived a checkered past.

Back before the trail break, we had Cal's posted video and Kurt's thanking him for the "courage" to post it. What it was a pretty vile and delusional bit of extended conspiracy theory that the Jews were behind 9/11, apparently so we'd attack their enemies in the Middle East. Seems Netanyahu and Cheney must have worked together, with planes turning into drones midair, no real passengers or maybe some passengers, scapegoated terrorists, etc. etc.

Originally Posted by d'Arsonval

... All firearms represent an objective focused on something called "death". ...

Incorrect. For example, my first rifle -- a Christmas present from my dad -- was a Winchester .22 target rifle. It never killed anything.

My second rifle was a Winchester model 52C .22 target rifle. It, too, never killed anything.

My guess is none of the 100,000 (or so) similar rifles Winchester manufactured ever killed anything.

Originally Posted by PeteM

Pretty clear from the grips on that, you've lived a checkered past.

Back before the trail break, we had Cal's posted video and Kurt's thanking him for the "courage" to post it. What it was a pretty vile and delusional bit of extended conspiracy theory that the Jews were behind 9/11, apparently so we'd attack their enemies in the Middle East. Seems Netanyahu and Cheney must have worked together, with planes turning into drones midair, no real passengers or maybe some passengers, scapegoated terrorists, etc. etc.

The way I see it, the only difference between a plane and a drone is where the pilot sits.

Originally Posted by CalG

The way I see it, the only difference between a plane and a drone is where the pilot sits.

Sounds like you, and maybe Scottl with his "like," are standing by the video you posted.

Originally Posted by PeteM

Sounds like you, and maybe Scottl with his "like," are standing by the video you posted.

Stand by what? I merely watched it yesterday.

Jumpy aren't you?

Given a sufficient body of evidence, One can make a case for anything.

More recent is the vegas shooting, just another example that "place name or agency here" is less then truthful. For example "this guy made millions playing slot machines".
Just me, I don't believe anything that comes out of anyone's cake hole, just have to see it for myself, probably been a machinist for too long. But, the gun grabbers are after your arms for good reason as it interferes with long range plans.


model of 1950 38/44 assault revolver, or big fat gun

Originally Posted by PeteM

Sounds like you, and maybe Scottl with his "like," are standing by the video you posted.

The video does raise some interesting points and is the most concise video I have seen on that subject. I've had questions about the events of that day since it happened. Planes diverting from flight plan course into restricted airspace without being intercepted and challenged. A building struck on a corner falling into its own footprint instead of toppling over toward that corner. A country blamed for the event whose major crime seemed to have been the Taliban banning opium production. Etc., etc.

Am I the only one noticing that the guys most determined to defend the official story seem to be the same ones aggressively pushing gun control? I'm not saying I believe every claim in these theories but they do raise some interesting questions.

As I've said before, they (gun control advocates) trust the government too much and the ordinary people too little.

PS: PeteM, that article you linked to in a previous post said nearly half of Americans believe in conspiracy theories. Whether those theories are true or not that is a pretty damning indictment of government and mainstream media when nearly half the population thinks they've been telling us lies.

Originally Posted by donie

More recent is the vegas shooting, just another example that "place name or agency here" is less then truthful. For example "this guy made millions playing slot machines".
Just me, I don't believe anything that comes out of anyone's cake hole, just have to see it for myself, probably been a machinist for too long. But, the gun grabbers are after your arms for good reason as it interferes with long range plans.

several news reports described him as a "professional gambler". That's pure BS. The odds are, by design, slightly in the casino's favor and the best you could expect long term statistically is somewhat less than 100%, in other words worse returns than a bank paying a measly 1% on deposits.

Casino security gets very aggressive with people who win too often and even if they can't prove cheating those people get banned from entry and placed on "the list".

Originally Posted by donie

Trail Break!
Month ago, I was heading up this trail north of Butte to see a mining site worked in the early 1900s, one of the most remote and difficult to reach mines I have been to. Goes to show what people did to get gold back then
Anyway this is some serious bear and cat country, I took this 22 rimfire rifle that I re-worked with the mighty power of my machine shop, and an old S&W 38/44, with Elmer Keith loads just in case.
Anyway, hiking along plinking a few rimfire rounds along the way, I just don't run into cats and bears.

And now, a kind word for the Hill Billy Rifle "the mini 14"!

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A lady who made a career of being a judge in the St. Louis judicial system said that handguns had no purpose and manufacturers should be held responsible for the damage they do. I told her about a doctor in Alaska who had treated 10 cases of grizzly bear attacks. He will not go in the woods without his .475 Linebaugh. Sounds like good sense to me, but she has hardly spoken to me since.

That looks like a large bolt for a .22 rimfire.

Bill

Originally Posted by Scottl

. . . Am I the only one noticing that the guys most determined to defend the official story seem to be the same ones aggressively pushing gun control? I'm not saying I believe every claim in these theories but they do raise some interesting questions. . .

Looks more like an anti-Semitic hate piece to me, full of contradictions.

But, hey, I'll play along with that logic of all those "interesting questions." Let's say Netanyahu desperately wants us to take on Iran, which is both an existential threat (nukes) and the main source of expertise and funds for attacks against the Israeli's. Quite reasonable to think he'd like nothing better than having the US nuke Iran -- since we're apparently the only ones with arms that might reach deep enough.

The Saudis would like it, too. Iranians are their sworn enemies.

Of course the Israelis in the video who were smart enough to mastermind every detail of 9/11 messed up fingering mostly Saudis for 9/11. Should have been Iranians they framed. And they had to be luckier than a thousand monkeys typing randomly to create the entire works of Shakespeare, even with inside help from Cheney.

But, realizing they needed someone a whole lot friendlier to Netanyahu than Obama or any other Democrat, they got Russian Jews to hack the 2016 elections. We all know how good they are at computing (insert some video clip of a famous Jewish computer scientist to prove this in the forthcoming video). And they got leaks on an FBI investigation into Clinton out just before the election, but not the FBI investigation into Trump's money laundering, tax returns, collusion etc. Against all odds, it worked.

Trump has been just what Netanyahu ordered in this narrative. His son-in-law is a Jew and his daughter a converted Jew. He's put Jews in all sorts of high level positions, running our finance. So, now it's on to Mideast provocations. The son-in-law (oooh -- who's in the same highly leveraged real estate business as the WTC 7 owner and Trump, BTW) gets to handle Israeli / Mideast "peace" and a whole bunch of other stuff without so much as a qualification or a confirmation. The administration itself starts hiding stuff on secret servers and demanding loyalty oaths.

On the Saudi front, no problem hacking up a journalist in Turkey. Wish we could do the same here. Killing kids in Yemen? Not a problem either, the Saudis and Israel are our deep state buddies united against Iran.

So, the new administration, with Jared as point man, recognize Jerusalem as Israel's capital. This is guaranteed to piss Muslims off and escalate tensions. Then they tear up the Iran nuclear deal - knowing they'll go back to enriching uranium. Then trade sanctions to put 'em in a corner and raise tensions. Then false-flag attacks on both Saudi Arabia and our own forces. We'll need a reason to go to war. Pretty soon -- if this deep state conspiracy goes right -- we'll be nuking Iran, starting WWIII, and bringing the rapture on. We won't be able to stand the "winning."

This is nonsense, of course. But, hey, "interesting questions." It's easier to make up conspiracy theories than stitch up a patchwork quilt. The pieces don't even have to fit. Still, the outcome of events since 9/11 has been our current policy supporting most anything Netanyahu wants, including (sometime real soon?) armed conflict with Iran.

It could be there is some correlation with those wanting sensible precautions (in my case for universal background checks while, as a gun owner, keeping guns for sport and home defense as well as the Constitutional reasons) AND a somewhat restrained appetite for conspiracy theories or, say, anti-Semitism.

On the other hand, seems there's also some correlation (among four posters and counting here) between those most unwilling to do anything further to keep guns out of the hands of psychopaths and the violent mentally ill -- AND an apparently eager embrace of conspiracy theories.

Originally Posted by donie

More recent is the vegas shooting, just another example that "place name or agency here" is less then truthful. For example "this guy made millions playing slot machines".
Just me, I don't believe anything that comes out of anyone's cake hole, just have to see it for myself, probably been a machinist for too long. But, the gun grabbers are after your arms for good reason as it interferes with long range plans.


model of 1950 38/44 assault revolver, or big fat gun

I have the big brother to that, a Trooper model .357. I traded it for my 1911 for a shop gun because I am more accurate with the revolver and I figure that anything that doesn't get settled in 6 shots is not likely to get it done with 14. If I had to give up all my handguns but one, it would be the .357 because you can load it down to a popgun and up to as much energy as I need in a state where the largest predator is a black bear.

Bill

Originally Posted by PeteM

Turns out we too often design stuff that ends up falling down in unexpected load cases - especially (in WTC7) when trying to maximize leasable floor space and minimize intruding structure.

What you mean "we", white man ?

On the other hand, seems there's also some correlation (among four posters and counting here) between those most unwilling to do anything further to keep guns out of the hands of psychopaths and the violent mentally ill ....

The thing is, obesity is a problem a thousand times bigger than gun violence. Cancer, diabetes, heart disease, all doubled or tripled by obesity. So if we actually want to do some good, we need to attack the bigger problems first. Ban Twinkies, then work our way down to assault rifles.

Originally Posted by EmanuelGoldstein

What you mean "we", white man ?


The thing is, obesity is a problem a thousand times bigger than gun violence. Cancer, diabetes, heart disease, all doubled or tripled by obesity. So if we actually want to do some good, we need to attack the bigger problems first. Ban Twinkies, then work our way down to assault rifles.

You're right about the mortality being higher.

There is a part of us, though, that separates innocent victims (e.g. ordinary citizens killed by domestic or foreign terrorists) and those who sort of buy into their risk (e.g. smoking, obesity, riding a motorcycle without a helmet). You'd also likely be among the first to say it's their choice -- which it pretty much is unless they're kids with no way of knowing.