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    Quote Originally Posted by triumph406 View Post
    Graziano's are not that rare in So Cal, I certainly have seen more Graziano's than I've seen Okuma manual lathes around here.
    Well, I'd be more than happy to pay a healthy finder's fee if you can come up with a decent Sag 12 for me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by triumph406 View Post
    No idea how tall you are, but any of those lathes (and a Webb TSL) will likely require raising up to get to a comfortable height for you.

    I'm 5'9" and would have raised the Webb I had 4-6" if I had kept it. I even find the Sag14 a few inches too low.
    5' 11" without duckboards

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    Out of curiosity, I put in a request for a quote on a small engine lathe to that Japanese machine broker.

    This is the one I really liked, though!

    bl-1000h-420b.jpgbl-1000h-420.jpg

    I think the operator needs to be a Sumo wrestler.

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    Quote Originally Posted by shaggy View Post
    Out of curiosity, I put in a request for a quote on a small engine lathe to that Japanese machine broker.

    This is the one I really liked, though!

    bl-1000h-420b.jpgbl-1000h-420.jpg

    I think the operator needs to be a Sumo wrestler.
    Jayzus! NFW! Sumo guru would get hisself seppuku'ed off the belly overhang!

    That said? The guy you want..

    A Merchant Marine buddy of one of my Unlce's he was alway telling funny life experiences about.

    War Two vet. Had lost both legs right above the knees. Didn't slow him down. Became a full time rope and hawser-splicer, age of natural fiber when that took serious muscle as well as skill.

    Hard-callused hands, MASSIVE arms and shoulder girdle ensued, spinach or never!

    The guy could maneuver like a monkey up and down anything yah could grip.

    Moved on the level as palms, leather-shod ass, palms, leather-shod ass, palms, ass, palms, ass, galloping down a passageway at a combat speed - head below line-of-sight, like a gorilla at periscope depth!

    Soo.. one day they are on shore, train from Port of New York to their native Pittsburgh. About half beered up, his mate galumphs off to the head.

    "Hey ED!"

    "Yeah?"

    "How the f**k do you flush this g-damned contraption?"

    "There's a foot-pedal on the deck - right next to the base!"

    "What the f**k would I do with a g-damned 'foot pedal?' "

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    Quote Originally Posted by shaggy View Post
    5' 11" without duckboards
    I see risers in your future.

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    Quote Originally Posted by triumph406 View Post
    I see risers in your future.
    Easier to add height than take it away!

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    Quote Originally Posted by triumph406 View Post
    I see risers in your future.
    5 10 1/2" here. Right close. ISTR the "statistics" sites have average male height by year for many major populations?

    Three generations, right on the US average here. At least it WAS until the Kiwi-bird back effect came along.

    10EE just right on the permanent machinery skates, HBX-360 on skids, same lift, basically, until the drivetrain mods are done and it gets relocated.

    Might need me a pair of high-heeled steal-toad boots, this s**t gets any worse?


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    Quote Originally Posted by shaggy View Post
    Out of curiosity, I put in a request for a quote on a small engine lathe to that Japanese machine broker.

    This is the one I really liked, though!

    bl-1000h-420b.jpgbl-1000h-420.jpg

    I think the operator needs to be a Sumo wrestler.
    If you like that, you should look at a Standard-Modern 26x30 bench lathe, cannot say it is better, but you are more likely to find one stateside, and they come with a tailstock

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    Quote Originally Posted by dalmatiangirl61 View Post
    If you like that, you should look at a Standard-Modern 26x30 bench lathe, cannot say it is better, but you are more likely to find one stateside, and they come with a tailstock
    I thought maybe the Sumo wrestler guy just hangs onto the RH end of the stock

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    Quote Originally Posted by thermite View Post
    5 10 1/2" here. Right close. ISTR the "statistics" sites have average male height by year for many major populations?

    Three generations, right on the US average here. At least it WAS until the Kiwi-bird back effect came along.

    10EE just right on the permanent machinery skates, HBX-360 on skids, same lift, basically, until the drivetrain mods are done and it gets relocated.

    Might need me a pair of high-heeled steal-toad boots, this s**t gets any worse?

    Same reason I want (need) the small footprint / one-piece cast base - i.e., relatively hassle-free moveability and set-up, and ease of future re-moval.
    I've got some rather, let's say, 'rustic' surfaces to traverse in getting heavy shxt to my bottom-of-the-garden-path dilapidated carriage house, aka my workshop

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    Quote Originally Posted by shaggy View Post
    Do the Japanese have a thing for stocky lathes? From that website back a bit:

    Attachment 302912Attachment 302911Attachment 302910

    I'll take a guess and say these are more for their home market, rather than what they usually export(?)
    Looking at that last pic of the Tuda lathe, looks like they arrived stateside - https://www.sterlingmachinery.com/me...c-Brochure.pdf and I like the spindle bore compared to a 12!

    Appear to be built like a brick shithouse and maybe a reasonable height too?



    Even looks like some Caz shaped things over there for Thermite, with any luck the Japanese got rid of the French eccentricities when they made them.

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    'Built like a brick shithouse' is the technical term I'd use for that one, also.

    Must say though, I do prefer the lines of the 1960s Italian machines.

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    Here's the one I asked for a quote on.
    Note similarity w/ Sag 12 split-level ways, massive saddle, one-piece cast base, tiny footprint:

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    GL-120 - - lathe - Used information - GROWTH POWER

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    Interesting, thought that was some sort of production lathe with the collet set-up and didn't pay much attention. Appears it's some sort of Japanese Schaublin equivalent, according to the lathes uk blurb. Looks like a 2' tall bench will be needed as risers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BillE View Post
    Interesting, thought that was some sort of production lathe with the collet set-up and didn't pay much attention. Appears it's some sort of Japanese Schaublin equivalent, according to the lathes uk blurb. Looks like a 2' tall bench will be needed as risers.
    2-foot risers? Us westerners aren't THAT much taller, shirley?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Peter from Holland View Post
    I have one
    A nice one even
    Shipping might be a issue (DAP €1500 probably ) but not overwhelming
    http://veltmanmachines.nl/en/vm/lathes/draaibank-graziano-sag-12/


    Peter
    Hi Peter - what about motor voltage? (here I would need 220/440 3-phase.) Also, are handwheel increments, threading, etc. imperial or metric?

    --thanks

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    This one is 380volts 3 phase at 50 Hz
    So with 60 Hz this motor requiers about 440 volts
    Perfect then
    Perhaps you need to swap the auxilary transformer
    And as we are not in the US this is a metric machine If thats a issue a DRO will solve it
    Threading is possible in inches and metric without changing gears
    Also diametrical pitch and modul wormwheels are possible with another set of gears

    Peter

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    Quote Originally Posted by Peter from Holland View Post
    This one is 380volts 3 phase at 50 Hz
    So with 60 Hz this motor requiers about 440 volts
    Perfect then
    Perhaps you need to swap the auxilary transformer
    And as we are not in the US this is a metric machine If thats a issue a DRO will solve it
    Threading is possible in inches and metric without changing gears
    Also diametrical pitch and modul wormwheels are possible with another set of gears

    Peter
    Thanks, Peter.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Peter from Holland View Post
    This one is 380volts 3 phase at 50 Hz
    So with 60 Hz this motor requiers about 440 volts
    Perfect then
    Perhaps you need to swap the auxilary transformer
    And as we are not in the US this is a metric machine If thats a issue a DRO will solve it
    Threading is possible in inches and metric without changing gears
    Also diametrical pitch and modul wormwheels are possible with another set of gears

    Peter
    PM sent, Peter!

    --shaggy

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    not a SAG 12 but maybe you might be interested in a SAG 180.

    yes it's far but just stumbles across this one on the flea bay

    Graciano Sag 180 Lath great condition 1st | eBay


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