Makino VS Okuma for hard milling
Close
Login to Your Account
Page 1 of 2 12 LastLast
Results 1 to 20 of 23
  1. #1
    Join Date
    Nov 2014
    Country
    UNITED STATES
    State/Province
    Ohio
    Posts
    5
    Post Thanks / Like
    Likes (Given)
    0
    Likes (Received)
    0

    Default Makino VS Okuma for hard milling

    Looking at a Makino F5 and a Okuma Genos M560 for hard milling of tool steal that has been heat treated to 60 to 64 Rockwell. Does anyone have recommendations?

  2. #2
    Join Date
    May 2012
    Location
    Mid-Iowa, USA
    Posts
    3,497
    Post Thanks / Like
    Likes (Given)
    3466
    Likes (Received)
    2056

    Default

    No experience with the F5 or any Okuma, but had great experiences with the old LeBlond-Makino GF6 and FNC128 models. Granted they were 50 taper machines, but given the pedigree and experience I'd be hard pressed to go with anything else.

    That said, any way to have a couple test parts cut?

  3. Likes shifter liked this post
  4. #3
    Join Date
    Nov 2014
    Country
    UNITED STATES
    State/Province
    Ohio
    Posts
    5
    Post Thanks / Like
    Likes (Given)
    0
    Likes (Received)
    0

    Default

    I did . The Makino part had great finish and the size was dead on. I had Okuma run a test and the parts did not look good. So then I told them how we had Makino run the parts. They ran parts a second time and they turned out just as good. Makino had a little better cycle time. Hard milling is somewhat new to us, we have done it on a Fadal 4020 but it was just to open up co-bores in die buttons. I was worried about the support from Okuma as well as Makino. you know when your getting ready to buy a machine the salesmen promise the world, then some don't deliver.

  5. #4
    Join Date
    Feb 2015
    Country
    UNITED STATES
    State/Province
    Ohio
    Posts
    434
    Post Thanks / Like
    Likes (Given)
    111
    Likes (Received)
    125

    Default

    Makino is one of the best machines you can buy. Their US service center is in Cincinnati, and the Ohio dealer has some of the best Makino guys on staff. Jumping up from an Fadal you will be impressed all the way around.

  6. #5
    Join Date
    Jan 2013
    Location
    Louisville, KY
    Posts
    2,935
    Post Thanks / Like
    Likes (Given)
    6824
    Likes (Received)
    2464

    Default

    I think you'll be well supported from either Makino or Okuma. I'm curious though - I would have thought Makino's "F" series machines would be more comparable to Okuma's "MB-V" series machines. From a pricing perspective, I thought PS95/Genos machines were price-competitors...

  7. Likes mkd, PegroProX440, hfo liked this post
  8. #6
    Join Date
    Nov 2014
    Country
    UNITED STATES
    State/Province
    Florida
    Posts
    3,166
    Post Thanks / Like
    Likes (Given)
    1420
    Likes (Received)
    1493

    Default

    Just want to point out (not saying you don't know this) that for hard milling in that rockwell range, everything is going to matter. Whatever machine you get, make sure to get quality tool holders, and tools as well. If you are doing a comparison, I would make sure that each MTB is using the same holders as well. So don't compare the makino using Nikken Lyndex tooling to the okuma using a generic run of the mill sidelock. Or one using a sidelock and one using shrink fit, etc.

  9. Likes Jashley73 liked this post
  10. #7
    Join Date
    Nov 2011
    Location
    Missouri, USA
    Posts
    2,123
    Post Thanks / Like
    Likes (Given)
    1354
    Likes (Received)
    2720

    Default

    I can't tell you anything about the Makino, so I can't give a /comparison/ but we have a few M560s. We mill parts up to 60Rc ... don't think we have had call to hard mill beyond that, yet. They'll handle it just fine. I've never used any other type of machine to do the hard milling unfortunately. Capability is absolutely there. So it might be other features that make your decision. Other than a few Hurcos and a Kira, all our VMCs are Okuma. All the Okuma mills we have do pretty well with hardened steels. We do a fair bit of tool & die work, and a lot of those components are hard milled in the Okuma VMCs. Just finished some extrusion die components that were hardened to 60Rc before finish milling and they turned out with a great finish, slick as butter, milled down a 3" vertical wall and came out just beautiful. That was one of our bigger Millacs though. The Genos M560 does similar, just.. smaller.

  11. #8
    Join Date
    Dec 2009
    Location
    Louisiana
    Posts
    425
    Post Thanks / Like
    Likes (Given)
    141
    Likes (Received)
    240

    Default

    I would make sure that the sample parts they ran for you are an apples to apples comparison. Like stated before same tool holder but I would take it a step farther and say same tool and same workholding and most importantly same program. I ran hastelloy, inconel and stellite parts for 6 years on a haas tm-1, sure tool life was shit but we made money doing it. The funny thing was that I didn't realize that there was even a problem until we replaced the machine with a mazak mill and I was able to get an order of magnitude more parts per endmill. I have no experience with either brand but from what I've heard I am sure you'll be satisfied either way.

  12. #9
    Join Date
    Nov 2005
    Country
    UNITED STATES
    State/Province
    Illinois
    Posts
    1,952
    Post Thanks / Like
    Likes (Given)
    208
    Likes (Received)
    1384

    Default

    I can't speak to which machine would be the best but if I was you I would make sure the machine has a dual contact spindle. This greatly increases tool life and finish.

  13. #10
    Join Date
    Mar 2011
    Country
    UNITED STATES
    State/Province
    Pennsylvania
    Posts
    633
    Post Thanks / Like
    Likes (Given)
    240
    Likes (Received)
    245

    Default

    I don't think this is really and apples to apples comparison but if you don't need the 20k hsk spindle, or scales on the Makino, I would go with the Okuma. If you feel you need the 20k rpm and scale feedback I would get the Makino. The Makino is probably 200k+, the Okuma about 150k. I would get the one that will suit you best long term.

  14. #11
    Join Date
    Jan 2013
    Location
    Louisville, KY
    Posts
    2,935
    Post Thanks / Like
    Likes (Given)
    6824
    Likes (Received)
    2464

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by Mike1974 View Post
    Just want to point out (not saying you don't know this) that for hard milling in that rockwell range, everything is going to matter. Whatever machine you get, make sure to get quality tool holders, and tools as well. If you are doing a comparison, I would make sure that each MTB is using the same holders as well. So don't compare the makino using Nikken Lyndex tooling to the okuma using a generic run of the mill sidelock. Or one using a sidelock and one using shrink fit, etc.
    +1 - I've been thinking some about this, and if I (the buyer in this case) were serious, I would be the one supplying the tooling, programs, material, etc. to BOTH vendors to get a true-as-possible apples-to-apples comparison. Endmills, toolholders, etc. After-all, it's not like those things are all that expensive anyway, and you're going to need them once you buy the machine - so what's a few hundred bucks ahead of time, to make sure you're getting the best results for the long run.

  15. Likes cameraman, hfo liked this post
  16. #12
    Join Date
    Nov 2015
    Country
    UNITED STATES
    State/Province
    Minnesota
    Posts
    46
    Post Thanks / Like
    Likes (Given)
    53
    Likes (Received)
    3

    Default

    Makino IMHO, Really good support in the Ohio area.

  17. #13
    Join Date
    Oct 2015
    Country
    UNITED STATES
    State/Province
    Minnesota
    Posts
    111
    Post Thanks / Like
    Likes (Given)
    43
    Likes (Received)
    30

    Default

    my vote is for Makino

  18. #14
    Join Date
    Mar 2011
    Location
    NY USA
    Posts
    826
    Post Thanks / Like
    Likes (Given)
    171
    Likes (Received)
    545

    Default

    I haven't run a Makino but have always heard very good things. I do own a Genos M560-V and I can tell you that it is an impressive machine. Tons of power everywhere, extremely rigid..control is sweet.

    The Okuma M560-V is the Okuma MB-56 mill without the long list of options that can be spec'd for the MB line. I can say that after my research the M560-V is the best machine for the money on the market.

    The Makino may be the better machine for you, I can't say but I will promise that an equal Makino is more money.

  19. #15
    Join Date
    Nov 2014
    Country
    UNITED STATES
    State/Province
    Ohio
    Posts
    5
    Post Thanks / Like
    Likes (Given)
    0
    Likes (Received)
    0

    Default

    They both do.

  20. #16
    Join Date
    Nov 2014
    Country
    UNITED STATES
    State/Province
    Ohio
    Posts
    5
    Post Thanks / Like
    Likes (Given)
    0
    Likes (Received)
    0

    Default

    Thank you all for your advice. We decided to go with the Makino. Will be here in early Febuary.
    Now any thoughts on 5 axis fixtures for this machine. It does have a Koma TN 161 4th and 5th axis.
    I was looking at Jergens and Erowa.

  21. #17
    Join Date
    Nov 2005
    Country
    UNITED STATES
    State/Province
    Illinois
    Posts
    1,952
    Post Thanks / Like
    Likes (Given)
    208
    Likes (Received)
    1384

    Default

    Nice choice. Do you have the dual contact spindle?

  22. #18
    Join Date
    Nov 2014
    Country
    UNITED STATES
    State/Province
    Ohio
    Posts
    5
    Post Thanks / Like
    Likes (Given)
    0
    Likes (Received)
    0

    Default

    Yes it does.

  23. #19
    Join Date
    Nov 2015
    Country
    UNITED STATES
    State/Province
    Minnesota
    Posts
    46
    Post Thanks / Like
    Likes (Given)
    53
    Likes (Received)
    3

    Default

    Raptor, RWP, lang there is a ton out there! good choice!! PS we want pics!!

  24. #20
    Join Date
    Nov 2014
    Country
    UNITED STATES
    State/Province
    Texas
    Posts
    717
    Post Thanks / Like
    Likes (Given)
    325
    Likes (Received)
    220

    Default

    Pics? How do you like it? Eyeing a f5 myself


Tags for this Thread

Bookmarks

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •