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    Quote Originally Posted by CITIZEN F16 View Post
    Once again you post lies and nonsense, you keep painting me as a Trump supporter, and I am not.
    When you repeat his lies

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    you are his supporter

    you cannot have it both ways

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    Quote Originally Posted by Trueturning View Post
    I fault you guys with this point you have again and again tied in this issue with politics when you need not. You are obsessed people considering also that in effect you are sore winners to boot. At the very least you all feel insecure and feel a need to draw up your false conclusions based along the lines which you have drawn which largely have never existed. The political angle proves this more than any theme you may wish to visit or arguments over numbers in many cases in a very petty manner.

    I hope what he did proves justified even though he did behave by his actions that his intent is to humiliate those he feels are holding the pandemic up. The vaccines are here now for months and there was a marked decline in vaccinations when things began easing up. Delta for sure has complicated things drastically yet we do not hear that as much as the campaign of shame and humiliation.

    This means that every action to be even more heavy handed looks exactly as if our leaders are enjoying being self righteous crusaders and in fact are seen as power mad. The further persistent dividing we see continuing along political lines support this viewpoint.
    How would you get people to get vaccinated if you were in Biden's shoes? He's tried using reason. He's try begging and pleading. I don't know what you can do with a bunch of people that are obstinate and act like spoiled children but I'll be waiting for your answer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Big B View Post
    How would you get people to get vaccinated if you were in Biden's shoes? He's tried using reason. He's try begging and pleading. I don't know what you can do with a bunch of people that are obstinate and act like spoiled children but I'll be waiting for your answer.
    Don't hold your breathe for a coherent answer on that one!

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    County commissioners and health dept had an emergency meeting today, seems there are now 4 people in hospital (max capacity for rona rooms) and health officer believes they will be seeing more. I could have watched on zoom, but was busy unloading a trailer, not sure what was decided.

    For those of you not keeping up with the smartest minds in science, latest thoughts are this is endemic and everyone is going to catch it, vax might keep you out of hospital, might not, its a crap shoot. Mu variant is now in the USA, 40 confirmed cases in NV so far, and no one knows if vax or prior infection with Alpha or Delta will give immunity.

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    The chinese people may be nice, but the gov't sucks. I think lab escape is most likely scenario, the chinese gov't ordered that earliest virus samples be destroyed, they refuse to allow independent scientists access to information, and they have had a year and a half to present a scientific report on the origins, but have not presented anything. I am open minded enough to accept the zoonotic origin story if evidence of that can be corroborated, but the chinese governments continued obfuscation makes it unlikely.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alloy Mcgraw View Post
    Has it ever occurred to you that there is a portion of the population that isn't doing cartwheels about Trump, but considered the alternative..so voted for him?

    There was plenty of things I personally wasn't thrilled about with him...But many things I did like. The alternative was nothing I could get behind, not a thing.

    For a person like myself, who is a Libertarian....Just Trump telling pussy leftists to fuck off was almost enough to earn my vote. I knew the Libertarian Party had no chance....So I accepted my fate, and voted red.

    I hope Trump is sitting back...right now....Counting money while getting a blower from a pornstar.
    I have an idea that trump is counting his losses on his hotels and most other businesses but probably figured out a way to siphon billions out of our government so he may be counting that. One thing is for sure about trump is that all he cares about is money. Well, and his daughter that he wants to do up. Maybe he is getting a blower from her.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Big B View Post
    I have an idea that trump is counting his losses on his hotels and most other businesses but probably figured out a way to siphon billions out of our government so he may be counting that. One thing is for sure about trump is that all he cares about is money. Well, and his daughter that he wants to do up. Maybe he is getting a blower from her.
    What would he need a leaf blower for?

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    Quote Originally Posted by CITIZEN F16 View Post
    Once again you post lies and nonsense, you keep painting me as a Trump supporter, and I am not. Trump or anyone else, maybe except spineless coward Jimmy Carter would have handled the winding down of our occupying of Afghanistan better. Now you seem to believe terrorists should not be punished? Your bumbling ventriloquist dummy of a president has now empowered a terrorist organization and allows a safe haven for other terrorist organizations to operate and thrive from. Strange that you don't have a problem with this, you have extreme hate for those who don't vote like you, but terror organizations don't bother you a bit, and you have the nerve to continually insult people?
    You think that the taliban wasn't active when trump was president? Your boy trump invited them to visit the US to "negotiate" with them as I recall.

    I don't see Canada getting attacked or Mexico or most other countries but we got attacked on 9-11 and have had several other terrorist attacks. Maybe, just maybe if we minded our own fucking business and stopped going around bombing anyone that disagrees with us those terrorists would leave us alone. But the right loves our military so much that they make up wars just so they can play war games. Usually with some fourth rate country that can't defend themselves on their own turf so they come here to get even.

    But I'm fairly sure that most trumpers figure jesus will save them all and make it all right.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gustafson View Post
    When you repeat his lies

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    you cannot have it both ways
    I never let Trump complete a sentence after the night he was elected, before switching the channel. I cannot repeat things I never heard. You are just full of crap, painting everyone with a broad brush. Go ahead and quote the "Trump lies" I repeated, you can't because I never did. Funny how you and a few others just keep lying about posts people made, I suppose there is no bottom to how low you will stoop.

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    Saw a thing on telly (ABC) about non profits money flows....Trumps Stolen Election was above Q Anon as a money earner ,even though returns were falling..$40M a month .....did you know you can hire professionals to set up and run your non profit?....and there are specialist non profit lawyers ?...All in the name of charity.

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    Trump is a lot smarter than many give him credit for ....the buffoon ,ugly American act was amusing to begin with,but came back to bite him .....what surprises me is how Trump has avoided the underage tottie morass that is destroying (and jailing) so many powerful people.....He must have always preferred brassy middle aged blondes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alloy Mcgraw View Post
    Has it ever occurred to you that there is a portion of the population that isn't doing cartwheels about Trump, but considered the alternative..so voted for him?
    I'd have voted for him over the Bitch from Hell as well (they make it too difficult to vote overseas, so neither one is my fault ) ... hoped he'd up his game and become better than he was.

    Nope.

    Oh well.

    If nothing else, he pulled back the covers on the ugliest part of the US, it's all out in the open for everyone to see now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by john.k View Post
    Trump is a lot smarter than many give him credit for ....the buffoon ,ugly American act was amusing to begin with,but came back to bite him .....what surprises me is how Trump has avoided the underage tottie morass that is destroying (and jailing) so many powerful people.....He must have always preferred brassy middle aged blondes.
    I think that "act" is his personality.

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    Nope,the ugly American act came from his TV show ...and went over well with the hillbilly masses,who see all corporates and bosses as assholes ...just look at the ratings.........The ABC here ran a program covering trump rallies to date....and the rallies have a kind of circus atmosphere...old time carnival/medicine show ...The Oz journo asked a group of fat middle age women about the whole trump thing.....they see him as an Elvis ,not a cult figure ,but a genuine superstar......anyhoo ,one of the husbands cut the interview,and the journo asked him ...he says ...Looky round ya....What ya see....Journo ..Lots of happy people .....AAAnd?...And?.....No n*****s,not a one !...How it should be!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Big B View Post
    How would you get people to get vaccinated if you were in Biden's shoes? He's tried using reason. He's try begging and pleading. I don't know what you can do with a bunch of people that are obstinate and act like spoiled children but I'll be waiting for your answer.
    Hit them where it hurts. In the wallet. Sure, you can have your freedom, but as so many flag waving idiots say freedom is not free, they are right. They can pay for that freedom through increased insurance payments. You pay more if you are dumb enough to smoke, then you can pay more if you are dumb enough to go unvaccinated. Someone must pay, tell me why it should be none other than those causing the problem.

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    Quote Originally Posted by barbter View Post
    And for the record, you hear someone speak, not watch.
    We've had teevee for several years now.

    Quote Originally Posted by cnctoolcat View Post
    The international community, and even the W.H.O. have stated China’s lack of cooperation and openness will prevent determining exactly how the virus started, and how it spread.

    If they are so innocent, why be so hard-headed? Is Xi that bored?
    See below

    China banned internal air travel once the virus was found, but did not ban international travel going OUT.
    They tried to. They had a plan called "five-five" or something, only five flights out from five cities per week, heavily controlled. United for sure screamed bloody murder, maybe American as well ? United is the big player in US-China flights (from the US side. Air China and China Eastern are not going to argue with the government, they are owned by the government.) Lots of squealing about international treaties and so on.

    So beijing said "fuck it, you want sick people you can have 'em, no skin off our nose."

    This is what actually happened but don't look for it at Wapo or NYT. A lot of people's twisted ideas about China can be directly traced to the US media, which seems to need an enemy to exist.

    Remember the Maine !

    (Waiting for EG’a firery defense of his communist brethren….)
    I'd rather be a communist than wear a white sheet and bomb churches.

    Quote Originally Posted by dalmatiangirl61 View Post
    EG
    The chinese people may be nice, but the gov't sucks. I think lab escape is most likely scenario, the chinese gov't ordered that earliest virus samples be destroyed, they refuse to allow independent scientists access to information, and they have had a year and a half to present a scientific report on the origins, but have not presented anything. I am open minded enough to accept the zoonotic origin story if evidence of that can be corroborated, but the chinese governments continued obfuscation makes it unlikely.
    I disagree with you, but understand where these ideas come from.

    I've had a fair amount of interaction with government people at the provincial level and below. Not too much at the central government level, except for two ulcer-causing cases where I battered them into submission. And one where I lost. Overall, the government people in China are top-notch. A few are jerks, but most are extremely intelligent and have a sophisticated view of complicated issues. The biggest problem with government today in China, from my experience, is that it's getting harder and harder to get past the low-levels at the front counter to see someone who can deal with the problem.

    I can understand their behavior because that's exactly how I would behave. You make parts. They are to the print if not better. The customer beats the poor thing into an undersize out-of-round hole then comes back to your shop screaming about your shit quality, he demands his money back. Are you going to help him ?

    Early on, beijing did everything they could to cooperate and warn other countries. Mr Xi personally telephoned Donald Trump to explain this virus at the very beginning. Trump immediately started in on his name-calling horseshit. China went way out of its way to make life easier for people caught in the situation - I can prove this if I can find the photo - immigration automatically extended everyone's visa, no questions asked, to make life easier. That piece of shit Trump tried to extort universities to have in-person classes and fucked with thousands of paying foreign students to do that. WTF did he care about anyone else ? The WHO sent Bruce Aylward and fifteen other people on a two week mission through the whole system in several cities, the central government, the provinces, the hospitals, wuhan itself (which was otherwise 100% quarantined to anyone but incoming medical personel).

    Here's the link again :

    China has changed course of COVID-19 outbreak: WHO expert - YouTube

    So, what happened ? Trump's lies and name-calling, stupid fantasies about eating bats, racism, idiocy, sneering about Dr Aylward "kissing Xi's ass."

    If I were beijing ? For certain sure I'd be telling the rest of the world to go fuck itself. They are 100% entitled to do that.

    When you treat people like shit, do not expect them to be your best buddies afterwards.

    Some of us learned that in primary school. Apparently others did not.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Big B View Post
    How would you get people to get vaccinated if you were in Biden's shoes? He's tried using reason. He's try begging and pleading. I don't know what you can do with a bunch of people that are obstinate and act like spoiled children but I'll be waiting for your answer.
    Well it is tough I admit. I actually like the man yet I feel things are progressing now. He believes what he is doing is what is improving it. I just disagree. I think my observations are valid. It is my opinion just as others have theirs. It does seem to be the case that large employers are opposing the suggested actions from Biden. I think he does not have the power to implement his suggestions.

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    Quote Originally Posted by crazygoat View Post
    Don't hold your breathe for a coherent answer on that one!
    Considering the separate or combined brain/s power which you have it is no surprise by me that you both can muster any coherent thought to understand.

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    Stupid ,selfish people have changed the course of the covid outbreak......they are determined to have their freedom,which includes the right to die horribly........I note time and again ,an infected person is going to dozens to hundreds of public areas before the cops can arrest them .....these scumbags know they have the virus,and want to take down as many as they can with them.....then on a hospital stretcher they are wailing for a miracle cure......I'd give them some of Trumps bleach,why waste ivermectin?......By the way,still zero cases at large in Queensland ,the Lucky Country....lucky for the border wall,is lucky.

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    Quote Originally Posted by john.k View Post
    ......they are determined to have their freedom,which includes the right to die horribly........
    Freedom from what, is my question. I don't know australia but these bigmouth americans are cowards. The banks own them, google spies on them, congress cheats them, the cops kill them, but ooh boy, we ain't gonna wear no masks or git no shots !

    wtf ?

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    So ,20 years ago,9/11.....the greatest security lapse in the history of the world .....Dubya should have kicked his own arse,but that wouldnt do ,so he started the war in A/ stan.to divert attention from his own responsibility and failure.......Saudi Arabia was where the plot was cooked up ,not A /stan,but thats US politics.


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