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    Why do you think it is called "The graveyard of empires"? America was stupid to get involved in the way we did. Tribalism is their religion. Now we can sit back and watch as China gets stuck next.
    Rudyard Kipling-
    When you're wounded and dying on Afghanistans plains,
    and the women come out to cut up what remains,
    roll onto your rifle and blow out your brains,
    and go to your God like a soldier.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dalmatiangirl61 View Post
    The day the Shrub decided to invade Afghanistan I said we would never change the place unless we were willing to kill every man, woman, and child over the age of 5, that would be the only way to erase the religious ideology. We watched the USSR go bankrupt there, yet somehow thought we could do better, anyone else remember how the war was going to fund itself with oil?

    I think its high time we get out of there, if the people want freedom they can fight for it, if not, oh well. If I was in charge, it would be nuked, scorched earth.
    They have 5 year old's carrying AK 47's prolly have to start at 2 yo.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cmccull166 View Post
    Britain, Russia and the US Should take turns lobbing an occasional missile into that
    cesspool..
    Count Russia ocut. They now have a military alliance with China.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cmccull166 View Post
    Really? Why, just to be vindictive?

    YES
    Ahh, and that has always worked out so well for us.

    Especially in an area where grudges last a millennia

    Stupid is no way to run a country

    Again, the mistake was ours, made 20 years ago.

    doubling down on the mistake is not an intelligent decision


    IOW, Osama would likely have died the same day in the same way, without the cost in lives limbs or treasure that was spent

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    This is the only thing I agree with biden on. Get our brave men and women out of that sh*thole now. I hope our government learns the lesson from this they should have learned after vietnam, Stay out of foreign entanglements. We cannot make people who who are basically primitive aliens think like us no matter how much blood and treasure we throw at the problem. Here is a good question: Where did these cave men get their weapons from to fight us in the first place? Maybe that is where the fight should have been.

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    That is what my wife just asked me- “where are they getting the money for arms?”

    I get the simple answer is the poppy fields?

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    I worked around a guy who said "Nuke-um". At the time I thought that as drastic. Today I like the GPS type of solution.
    Wipe out every teacher or cleric and you won't have generation to generation wars.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Trboatworks View Post
    That is what my wife just asked me- “where are they getting the money for arms?”

    I get the simple answer is the poppy fields?
    Two sources. Captured equipment from prior wars and support from countries glad to help give us our own "Russian experience in Afghanistan". Essentially doing to us what we did to the Russians.

    The U.S. has pissed off a lot of countries and they are always glad to support proxies anytime we go in to a place like that.

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    Does this count as a lie?9cdc1f74f440ed24.jpg

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    Quote Originally Posted by Trboatworks View Post
    That is what my wife just asked me- “where are they getting the money for arms?”

    I get the simple answer is the poppy fields?
    One source was US contractors. They paid the Taliban millions to ensure safe passage. Milo Minderbinder would be proud.

    Defense Contractors Paid 'Protection Money' To Taliban, Lawsuit Alleges : NPR

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    Successfully occupied for 20 years, yet never captured the hearts of the majority.

    I've spent time there, LONG ago, before any of you ever heard of the place.
    So the Americans came in, big and powerful. No one can stop the US military from the front.

    I don't know if there was ever a non-military plan. As long as foreigners are there, all the tribes have a common enemy to oppose.
    Somehow, after all that time, blood, and money, the coalition was still foreign, and still the enemy.

    The Taliban obviously have a lot more support than "intelligence" knew about. They're well equipped and funded.
    How did that happen without us knowing?

    Afghan army soldiers are considered to be collaborators. Taliban are local heroes.
    Probably not many Afghan people actually want to see them back in power, yet those same people wouldn't help foreign occupiers defeat good Muslims.

    I feel terrible for the Afghans, yet this was inevitable.
    The US military can destroy any enemy, but is useless at turning enemies into friends.

    To the Afghani people, the Taliban are not the enemy.
    We are.

    In that sense, this is a huge failure.

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    So much of history here.
    Who funded and built this enemy army when Russia was involved? That would be the USA.
    Now Russia and China sort of falling over themselves to be friends as to out involvement.
    Our forces are good at kicking ass and taking names.... not doing police work as as been seen here and the past.
    For some reason we missed this, enough time passed or 60s hippie thing I do not know but the writing on the wall for a long time here.
    I think the poppy fields will now come back to the old days. A hole filled by big pharma but that is getting shut down.
    We are not good at building new governments or nation building.
    If we had gone it took over and made it part of the USA we would have had different results. That would make us expansionist and that not allowed or supported anymore.
    I believe the end result here given no matter what or how long. Why have one more young person die or wounded with no way to the end?
    Perhaps we should have abandoned this ten years ago and got serious, cleaned house and took the hit from the international community.

    It is not Biden, it is not Trump. It is stupid lessons not learned and some hope that we can change a country that we do not understand the workings of.
    Bob

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    You guys watch Charlie Wilsons War?

    I just rewatched a couple of weeks back.

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    Guerrilla warfare is the national sport in Afghanistan. We Brits learned that nearly 200 years ago. They carry an AK47 like we carry a mobile phone. The US backing the mujahideen just to give the Russians a bloody nose back in the day is starting to look like a major foreign policy error. This last week has looked like the last days of Saigon.

    Regards Tyrone.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tyrone Shoelaces View Post
    Guerrilla warfare is the national sport in Afghanistan. We Brits learned that nearly 200 years ago. They carry an AK47 like we carry a mobile phone. The US backing the mujahideen just to give the Russians a bloody nose back in the day is starting to look like a major foreign policy error. This last week has looked like the last days of Saigon.

    Regards Tyrone.
    Yes the days of stand up in a line and fire. Right about 200 years and trying to fight those darn rebels across the pond.
    Guerrilla warfare goes way back but the revolution US sort of changed it as a more accreted way of war.
    Backing and building the mujahideen sort of weird but the idea but the idea at the time was any anti-Russia thing was good.
    So we gave them arms and training. Ignoring the fact that their views or agendas different.
    The enemy of my enemy was the theory of many.
    We grew this vine and we can not control it.
    I do see this as equal to the past.

    The amount of sacrifice done by so many in the long line for this?
    It makes me angry to see it all for nought.
    Bob

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    I wish some of you would stop using "WE"...."WE" didn't get a vote in this.

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    At the time going into Afghanistan seemed inevitable and justified when we went in after 911

    Iraq- that stunk from word go.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cmccull166 View Post
    Really? Why, just to be vindictive?

    YES
    spoken like a true trumper.

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    Got to give a cheer for the Chinook.

    50 years of service, and still evacuating people off the roofs of embassies!

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    Quote Originally Posted by CalG View Post
    Does this count as a lie?9cdc1f74f440ed24.jpg

    The picture if the chopper over the embassy with Biden's own words will haunt the Democrats.


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