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    Quote Originally Posted by SND View Post
    Still interesting that some here think its perfectly normal for the drug addicted son of a vice president to be on the board of a corrupt oil company that just so happens to need an investigation into its affairs dropped. Which daddy took care of.
    Pretty sure no one here thinks this should be "normal." Sad to say, taking advantage of family position is an old deal - Trump to Trump, Kushner to Kusher, Kennedy to Kennedy.

    Rather, it seems a majority don't think these sorts of behaviors are equivalent:

    Gives shoulder rubs:
    Grabs pussy, screws a porn star (cheating on wife) and illegally tries to hush it up.

    Has a government pension:
    Screws the US on his taxes and is deeply in debt (perhaps to foreign entitites)

    Had a son sitting on a foreign Board (with no quid pro quo found):
    Has multiple family members actually appointed to government positions, guilty of fraud, pursuing their own financial interests, and lying about matters of interest to the Republic. Including (Kusher) trolling for Arab dollars to prop up his indebted family real estate business. Plenty of quid pro quo in the dozens of other cases.

    Takes time to answer a question:
    Instantly lies, blames others, and creates distractions to avoid any sense of personal responsibility.

    Has broken at least one of the 10 Commandments and been sorry about it:
    Has broken them all and never thought he had anything to apologize for.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Trueturning View Post
    Is it confirmed Giuliani was instrumental for sure? Perhaps once the drives and info are sorted it may very well be a hoax. Hoaxes are all the rage now and it will be no surprise if this is nothing at all.

    I have to question it because it is so strange and yet working for a living I have seen many things no one would believe. Who knew that socialism would become so popular among Democrats? Real life is stranger than fiction.
    Not that this couldnt be fake but at least no middle men are in the way to loose or add things "in translation" so to speak.
    Here it is from his own mouth, I was able to play it at 1.75 speed, he talks slow:
    Federal Crimes Uncovered In Biden Hard Drive | Rudy Giuliani | Ep. 78 - YouTube

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    Quote Originally Posted by Milland View Post
    I'm actually quite happy to have a thorough and very deep investigation of Hunter, with nothing left out.

    As long as we can do exactly the same with Eric, djt Jr., Barbie and Ken, and heck, throw in Barron too. Oh, let's do Melania also (Genius immigrant?), and the big fish, Transactional donny.

    Sound fair? A full review of the Biden's, in exchange for a full and and complete review of the drumpfs?

    I'd take that in a microsecond. How about it, MAGATs?
    Lets go bak a little further to start with #41:
    George H.W. Bush: War Criminal, CIA Spy, Oil Tycoon, Embodiment of US Elite

    The Clinton Mob - Criminal Empire of Bill and Hillary Clinton

    George W. Bush & Dick Cheney: War Criminals

    “Criminal In Chief” — 78 Times President Obama Broke The Law During Presidency - True Activist

    This is some sort of sumary going back to nixon (#37):
    UPDATED: Comparing Presidential Administrations by felony arrests and convictions (as of 9/17/2018)

    List of the few federal politicians convicted, looks like they got easy, not many high power people either, looks like mostly chief of staffs and senators:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...cted_of_crimes

    Point is each of these guys did NOTHING to prosecute the crimes of the previous administration. What has trump done to go after obamas (or hilarys) crimes? What did obama do to go after bush 43"s crimes, etc, etc, etc, ad nausium....

    These people just keep enabling more bad behavior by never punishing the previous bad behavior
    ALMOST makes one think that the same backers are behind all of them and it would not be good for the backers to have criminal activity exposed. IF, this is the case what is the point of all this kabuki theater? Give the masses blood and circuses? Did I mean bread.

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    I know nothing of this source, but You really can't make this sh*t up!

    Unbelievable – Facebook’s Lead Executive on Election Policy Was Vice-President Joe Biden’s Advisor to Ukraine… | The Last Refuge

    I assume you are aware of the big tech censorship of this topic.

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    #258 Milland

    "I'm actually quite happy to have a thorough and very deep investigation of Hunter, with nothing left out.

    As long as we can do exactly the same with Eric, djt Jr., Barbie and Ken, and heck, throw in Barron too. Oh, let's do Melania also (Genius immigrant?), and the big fish, Transactional donny."

    Pelosi and Co decided to do this BEFORE Saint Donald took his presidential oath.
    But that is just how Commies behave.

    #261 PeteM

    "Has broken at least one of the 10 Commandments and been sorry about it:
    Has broken them all and never thought he had anything to apologize for."

    Saint Donald is guilty of murder, your evidence is?

    Start your own anti Trump thread. This thread is about Biden.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ManicMetalBasher View Post
    This thread is about Biden.
    Actuallly.. it is ALSO about how those who believe they have absolute power just do NOT understand that... taking the Chinese Firm that bankrolled Biden Inc. out of circulation IN PRC, making it thereby a forbidden topic as if it never existed.. hides NADA from those not SUBJECT to the Chinese Communist Party. Not until biden is ACTUALLY sworn-in, anyway.

    It still leaves the evidence of their money trail when the Chicom paymaster DID "exist" and now also Hunter-the-careless-druggie's having lost track of where he made records fo HIS end of the deal.

    So no. It isn't really about "Biden". He's ony the junior of a pair of hood-badges to Commie-Lah Harris.

    Nor even about "Biden, Inc."

    It's about the f**king AVALANCHE of Chicom MONEY hard at work BUYING not ONLY Bidenistas, but if they can get any VALUE for the money they are flooding the DNC's cannibal coffers with... buying the Senate and keeping the Howce of Reprehensibles.

    So long as they GET the Senate, it won't matter if they fail to unseat McConnell and Graham. Even if DJT wins, with both houses opposed, he'll have a rough go.

    Hard.. VERY hard... to counter that much Chicom money.

    Prolly just as hard to HIDE it, Hunter Biden far from the only careless f**k-up in that crowd.

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    Bunch of monkeys throwing lumps of shit at each other and getting it all over themselves in the process.

    Grow up you children and read the links before posting them. Then you might think twice before doing it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mark Rand View Post
    Bunch of monkeys throwing lumps of shit at each other and getting it all over themselves in the process.
    Could was.

    Surely were enough Democrats taking little Mike's Bloomberg's money then doing as they damned well pleased instead of his bidding.

    Same again should happen to the Chinese money - it going all wasted into lining the pockets of their hangers-on?

    Couldn't happen to a more deserving bunch!

    Same-again the instant mega-billionaires of Go ogle, Faceplant, and Twitshit, they become deep-pockets food for the Nazgul-class of Lawsters.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ManicMetalBasher View Post
    . . .

    #261 PeteM

    "Has broken at least one of the 10 Commandments and been sorry about it:
    Has broken them all and never thought he had anything to apologize for."

    Saint Donald is guilty of murder, your evidence is?

    Start your own anti Trump thread. This thread is about Biden.
    Evidence?

    Had you stopped to think, Trump as a killer or accomplice to killing is as easy as to show as his multiple violations on other Commandments (thou shalt not commit adultery; thou shalt not steal, thou shalt not bear false witness . . . ).

    A longer list of Trump’s intent and actual complicity in killing will follow, not that you’ll care.

    The obvious one is that any time our military kills someone the Commander in Chief bears ultimate responsibility. These days, might even brag about it. Now, we normally don’t much care about that, but the Commandment says “thou shalt not kill” – not that it’s OK if you think they’re bad guys, they’re from shithole countries, the wrong religion, or you just made a mistake. It’s killing.

    And, sure, that makes every President from Eisenhower through Obama and Trump guilty as well. At least those guys expressed some regret. An Eisenhower even served.

    As for this thread supposed to be about Biden – not quite. NYC123 started it to be about Biden’s industrial policy. By the second post, it was on to trashing Biden – demented, commies, etc.

    Rather than actually discuss that policy, we were assured he would spoil himself in a debate, etc. Turns out Biden won the first debate and wasn’t the crazy uncle posting nonsense in the simultaneous town meetings. Despite several attempts (mine among others) we still haven't discussed policy. When a Moody's actually evaluates that policy and says it would be better than what even less Trump has "planned" - the response is to attack Moody's.

    But, hey, let’s move on to how his son might be a bad guy, while ignoring the actually witnessed and (in past times) treasonous acts with Trump’s support of Putin (on tape), his $ for dirt on Biden in the Ukraine (ignored by his base – just playing hardball), and his swap of US national security for pork sales with Xi. Add in his support for MBS and the folks who brought us 9-11 (they’ll buy stuff and help the Dow) and the revelations about what the United Arab Emirates got (our most sophisticated weapons) for giving Jared a “win” on Israel. What could go wrong?

    So, sorry, but you’ll find me responding now and then when the Biden-trashing and Trump ass-kissing gets too hot and heavy - in a thread that's supposed to be about the next four years' industrial policy.

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    Now, on to Trump and the one Commandment (thou shalt not kill) you think he’s upholding.

    1) We already have his role as Commander in Chief. You’ll excuse that and say others have done worse (me too). But the Commandment doesn’t say “except . . .”

    2) He is, of course, on record saying he could kill someone in broad daylight and his base wouldn’t care. That’s psychopath talk. Just the kind of guy you want in charge of our systems of justice, health, environment, etc.

    3) He hired the cheapest possible labor on job sites, with terrible safety records. That makes him an accessory to manslaughter for deaths on Trump job sites.

    4) The pandemic handling has been his opportunity to have both premediated and accessory after the fact charges for the tens to maybe a hundred thousand US citizens who have died unnecessarily due to his personal lies and ham-handed handling of the pandemic. At least a few families have said a loved one died directly from following his advice.

    5) Millions die from inadequate or poor quality healthcare. Trump has obstructed that healthcare, is now in court to end it for millions, and has appointed judges likely to end it. He has no plan for replacement.

    6) Trump is the first President I’ve known to make us (and the world) less safe. Despite the noise, Pakistan, N. Korea, and Iran are moving faster than ever towards immense nuclear capability. Instead of moderating the spread of nukes, we’re in a new arms race. Our alliances are largely trashed. Too early to tell if and how many will die – but if it’s even one - it’s on him.

    7) Despots (Kim, Putin, MBS etc.) are now killing with impunity, with Trump’s tacit support.

    8) Our own Homeland Security says radical white nationalist groups have been and continue to be the main source of domestic terrorism and murders. Trump is surely an accomplice with his “good people” and “stand by” tacit approval. He’s now urging unofficial poll watchers from among this group – and also re-tweeting and supporting the Q’Anon nonsense. Too bad we don’t have judges of the sort who might say, well, we do have free speech rights but you can’t shout “nigger has one of our AR-15’s!” in a crowded Klan meeting?

    9) Trump trashed our own pandemic preparedness and he’s doing the same for the W.H.O. Next pandemic deaths? Once again, an accomplice.

    10) Evangelicals and others see abortion as killing. Fair enough. Trump has been said to have paid for as many as eight abortions. False witness? Probably. But he’s on record as once being “very pro-choice.” He’s screwed countless women (even while married), without contraception, and been happy to pay hush money. You’d think a real stud, with all those claims to success, might just once have impregnated someone? Doubt she’ll show up to say so, given the death threats sure to follow from those same evangelicals and others.

    11) Trump’s inhumane and intentionally chaotic border policy is another source of killings at his behest. The strange thing is that illegal immigration declined under Obama and about the same under Trump (until the pandemic when it likely dropped like a rock). While some thought he was too tough, he managed to do that without calling them all murderers and rapists or splitting families apart in holding cells.

    12) Speaking of all the illegals being murderers and rapists, is it murder for hire to scapegoat them on one hand and hire them to carry your bags and cook your food at a Trump property?

    13) Then there are the Trump rollbacks of safety regulations, with deaths rising Workplace Fatalities Rising Under Trump OSHA as Enforcement Declines - National Employment Law Project

    14) We haven’t even gotten to the deaths (storms, fires, displacements in places like Syria) likely attributable to Trump’s willful denial (and refusal to take any precaution) with climate change.

    Guilty of murder on the first charge. Clearly an accessory on other charges involving a few, thousands, a hundred thousand, perhaps a million more.

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    Ya vote for Biden and see what happens, you cant count that high, a fool with a big mouth...Phil

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    Quote Originally Posted by Phil in Montana View Post
    Ya vote for Biden and see what happens, you cant count that high, a fool with a big mouth...Phil
    I'm honestly curious. A blind person can see that Biden is pretty much an average dork. Not much to like, not much to hate, just average.

    Trump is very much a sleazebag, a crook, a liar, shyster, thief and con man. Not even a successful or funny one. If he had a big red nose and talked like WC Fields I could see it but ....

    What's the attraction ? Is it the name-calling ? Acting like an asshole ? His glorous hair ? Why do some people worship this guy ? He's shit. Seriously. You sure as hell wouldn't let your daughter go out with him. Not unless you're a pimp.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Phil in Montana View Post
    Ya vote for Biden and see what happens, you cant count that high, a fool with a big mouth...Phil
    For what it's worth, Marxism really isn't that bad.

    I mean, I'd vote for Groucho any day.....................

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    Quote Originally Posted by ChipSplitter View Post
    For what it's worth, Marxism really isn't that bad.

    I mean, I'd vote for Groucho any day.....................
    I just watched Blue Collar Joe's rally in North Carolina. "Groucho" is a pretty good description. Man, he's angry, lol.

    I counted 7 cars, but it looked and sounded like there were at least 12 people there (the camera pretty much stayed on Joe). But and you could tell the crowd was really in the Biden camp. One of them even said "I love you Joe!"

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    Quote Originally Posted by EmanuelGoldstein View Post
    ....

    Trump is ....
    What's the attraction ? Is it the name-calling ? Acting like an asshole ? His glorous hair ? Why do some people worship this guy ? He's shit. Seriously. You sure as hell wouldn't let your daughter go out with him. Not unless you're a pimp.
    My wife discovered social media and the net recently.
    Suddenly 500 "friends" and she has become a self proclaimed "Trumpster". Weird as her whole before life a bit more left leaning.
    She will do "this is what I read today" and I just sort of flow with it as questioning or dispute leads to .. not fun.
    It is a die hard view that accepts no others as is strong so the game runs on its own.

    I may favor the other side but think neither makes a difference in the end. This is politics. Not the economy, bringing more jobs or good for the people.
    Leadership is a long forgotten thing in the USA. It is all about my side and your side.
    Not sure how we ended up here. What we need is a world war.
    Bob

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    So would the "sheep" be the adoring crowds showing up cheek to jowl (maskless and MAGA hatted) at a Trump rally? Trump is thy shepherd, though shall not want (fear is good though) . . .

    Or the folks staying home, maybe reading the Sunday paper, watching a game, or out playing in the back yard?

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    So if Biden does raise the corporate tax rate, don't you think that would likely create a significant sucking sound to manufacturing in the US?

    Corporations go where the tax rates are cheap. I had this discussion with a customer that was moving operations from the US to Mexico. Cheap labor was not the impetus, corporate tax rate was the reason. Turns out that for a corporations bottom line, the tax rate on profits is the most significant factor affecting profitability.

    The article that you linked to even refers to reducing GDP the GDP in the short run and the long run.

    The problem is that money goes where it wants, meaning greatest ROI.

    Governments need to realize that they are in competition with each other and the corporate tax rate is at or close to the top of the list where money will go.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ziggy2 View Post
    So if Biden does raise the corporate tax rate, don't you think that would likely create a significant sucking sound to manufacturing in the US?

    Corporations go where the tax rates are cheap. I had this discussion with a customer that was moving operations from the US to Mexico. Cheap labor was not the impetus, corporate tax rate was the reason. Turns out that for a corporations bottom line, the tax rate on profits is the most significant factor affecting profitability.

    The article that you linked to even refers to reducing GDP the GDP in the short run and the long run.

    The problem is that money goes where it wants, meaning greatest ROI.

    Governments need to realize that they are in competition with each other and the corporate tax rate is at or close to the top of the list where money will go.
    Do you have a clue who the American Enterprise Institute is? They are about as anti-tax as you can get. They think Biden's tax plan will not hurt the economy. Based on your thinking there would be no industries in high tax rate states, but the evidence is quite the contrary.

    dee
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    Quote Originally Posted by dcsipo View Post
    Do you have a clue who the American Enterprise Institute is? They are about as anti-tax as you can get. They think Biden's tax plan will not hurt the economy. Based on your thinking there would be no industries in high tax rate states, but the evidence is quite the contrary.

    dee
    ;-D
    Yes AEI is a so called conservative think tank. Just because they have certain labels does not mean that they actually represent certain views.

    So according to the article, which group would benefit the most from the Biden policies?

    It is interesting that considering that they are very pro-big business why they think that this tax plan would be good for everyone.


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