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    Quote Originally Posted by Gordon B. Clarke View Post
    C'mon now you're just trolling seeing who you can wind up. You're better than that.
    No he's not... LoL

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    Quote Originally Posted by jancollc View Post
    So this post echoes what others have said. Britain wants out, but wants to retain the "good parts" of EU membership without any of the "responsibilities". The UK is being unreasonable, and the EU is justified in making Brexit as painful as possible for the UK.

    Okay. What are the "good parts" that the UK wants to maintain? Free trade? Intelligence sharing? Ease of travel for citizens? These seem like mutually beneficial things...

    In order to do this, the UK must adhere to the EU laws, contribute to the EU budget, accept the EU immigration policies, and pay the subsidies for the the various "common policies", etc.

    So I guess that's the "bad part", or the "responsibilities"- it boils down to conforming to EU laws and policies on things outside the trade relationship.
    Since joining in 1972 the UK has had as much, in fact more, influence in policies and decisions than most other member countries.

    Apportionment in the European Parliament - Wikipedia

    Denmark for example stuck their heels in over a few issues and were given exceptions but the UK seems to have fallen asleep through some important decisions. Why have the UK EU parliament members not done anything about the things they are now so unhappy about? Much of what is regarded as "EU laws" have to be decided by a unanimous vote.

    Danish opt-outs from the European Union - Wikipedia

    Notice the voter turn out 87.6%. Lethargy is one of many roads to "slavery".

    As far as I can see all UK EU parliament members have been doing for years is collecting a very good pay for doing SFA. They've done such a good job of doing nothing that they've convinced many in the UK that they've been conned by mysterious powers in the EU.

    EU parliament members are in groups that can be described loosely as from left to right and all have members together from several countries. Do any of you Brits have any idea which group or groups your EU representatives are in to fight for your common interests?

    Political groups of the European Parliament
    European People's Party (EPP) – 217 MEPs.
    Progressive Alliance of Socialists & Democrats (S&D) – 190 MEPs.
    European Conservatives and Reformists – 74 MEPs.
    Alliance of Liberals and Democrats for Europe (ALDE) – 70 MEPs.
    European United Left/Nordic Green Left (GUE) – 52 MEPs.
    European Greens/European Free Alliance – 50 MEPs.

    Even something such as tightening border control has been implemented by several EU countries (including my own) and that didn't go down well with the PC part of the EU. Most of what the EU "top" decides is only because no one protests or just doesn't notice until it's too late.

    The meetings where decisions are voted on are often only half full but as long as an EU member ticks off that they attended (whether they in fact do or not) they get paid a handsome fee.

    Not nice of me but I can't resist it. How many Brits can name one or more of their EU parliament members without looking it up?

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    I wonder how many Brits even know what's in this link?

    Your Members in the European Parliament | Elections & MEPs | European Parliament Liaison Office in the United Kingdom

    This voting percentage, at least to me, says a great deal as to what's going wrong.

    European Parliament election turnout | UK Political Info

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    Quote Originally Posted by jancollc View Post
    It would have left them completely under the jurisdiction of the EU, unable to enter into any trade agreements with other countries, with no membership in the EU institutions and no representation in the EU decision making, but still paying all the fees associated with EU membership.

    What you call "bennies" I call second class status.
    The UK had special status within the EU.
    More preveleges, fewer obligations.
    They were actually ahead of the base line.

    What?
    They wanted MORE special treatment?

    Nope, out is what they wanted.
    Out is what they get.

    The EU has zero obligation to make their deal even sweeter.
    Same as they have zero obligation to try to sort out the UK parliment.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Miguels244 View Post
    No one said that.
    But if you are saying racist shit...well get used to being called out.

    Now, bear in mind, the same language is used by the most odious as cover, so don’t be surprised to be in the same bin unless you figure out a way to differentiate yourself and kick them to the curb.
    How many times do you imply someone is a racist? Think you and your party could get some new material?


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