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    Quote Originally Posted by Limy Sami View Post
    Pretty well knackered, I wear a support /corset of some sort 24/7 to keep the pain manageable, ……...oh and the hips and knees are little better.
    I used to wear a weight lifters belt under my overalls for years. It helped after a fashion.

    Regards Tyrone.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tyrone Shoelaces View Post
    I used to wear a weight lifters belt under my overalls for years. It helped after a fashion.

    Regards Tyrone.
    I wore a motox belt for ages till i leant it to someone....bye! I never saw it again.
    So i then used and still have when I'm humping stuff or on my feet a lot a neoprene/velcro belt which works very well.
    NeoG and i thoroughly recommend it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by john.k View Post
    At least the pollies there can stay with the subject............out here the federal election campaign has already degenerated into a slinging match over which side will force the "tradies" to turn in the their "utes " for electric cars.........possibly a bit of explanation.......aussie millenials come in two flavours......uni educated with masters and phd....who drive uber or bicycle courier....and tradies ,millenial building trades qualified ,who have heaps of disposable income,and wouldnt be seen dead in anything but a 300hp HiLux,Ranger,or D Max......
    Bullshit. I've 3 university degrees, 2 of them postgrad. I drive a beat up turbo diesel flat tray truck or a 30 year old Subaru that won't die.

    All the money I have to waste goes on machine tools and books.

    Ok, it really goes on toys for my boat.

    PDW

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    Quote Originally Posted by Limy Sami View Post
    Pretty well knackered, I wear a support /corset of some sort 24/7 to keep the pain manageable, ……...oh and the hips and knees are little better.
    Nobody ask him about his double D bras,that is embarrassing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Limy Sami View Post
    Oh Ha f'kn Ha, ad if that'd never been said before, ……..if you want to live with my spine etc - I'll swop you any time.

    If I have to answer that I shall get exceedingly rude and abusive, …………….I'll make you an offer, you remove that post and I shall remove this.
    ^^^showing Sami may have pain, but at least has a HUGE backbone...

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    My letter to the Attorney General about the Withdrawal Agreement | The Conservative Woman

    This open letter to the Attorney General, Geoffrey Cox, was first published in John Redwood’s Diary on April 15, 2019,
    and is republished by kind permission.

    DEAR Geoffrey, Let me have another go at getting a reply from you concerning the way the Withdrawal Agreement stops us
    leaving the EU. Would you kindly confirm:

    1. If we sign this Treaty we will be locked into the EU and have to obey all its rules and pay all the bills it sends us for
    a period of at least 21 months, and probably for 45 months if we have not surrendered further to reach an exit agreement
    at the 21-month stage.

    This would mean remaining in the EU for at least five years from the decision to leave, and probably for seven years.
    The EU would be able to legislate and spend against UK interests during this period, whilst we would have no vote or
    voice in the matter.

    2. In order to ‘leave’ in your terms at the five to seven year stage, the UK will need to stay in the customs union and accept
    all single market rules and laws, unless the EU relented over the alleged Irish border issue.
    Three years on and the EU has given no ground on the made-up border issue, so why would they over the next two years?
    Isn’t the most likely outcome that we would remain in the single market and customs union, contrary to the government
    promise that leaving meant leaving them in its referendum literature?

    3. After the 45-month period fully in the EU, the UK still would face financial obligations under the Withdrawal Treaty.
    The bills will be decided by the EU and we will have to pay them. Any attempt to query them would be adjudicated by the EU’s
    own court! The longer we stay in, the higher the future bills are likely to be.
    The £39billion figure is likely to be a considerable underestimate.

    4. The Treaty creates a category of super-citizen in the UK. EU nationals living in the UK when we ‘leave’ the EU will have
    their access to benefits guaranteed in a way the rest of us do not for their entire lifetimes.
    So we will not be taking back control of our benefit system.

    I am also concerned about a number of Articles in the draft Treaty that expressly extend EU powers and jurisdiction for a
    further four to eight years beyond our departure date after the 21- to 45-month delay.

    Article 5 reintroduces the powers of the European Court and enforces ‘sincere co-operation’ on us, as they do not want us
    impeding their plans for economic, monetary and political union.

    Article 31 imposes social security co-ordination on us.

    Article 39 gives special protection to EU citizens currently living in the UK from changes to social security for the whole
    of their lives, protection which the rest of us do not enjoy.

    Article 51 applies parts of the VAT regime for an additional five years after the long transition envisaged in the Treaty.

    Articles 92-3 impose the EU state aids regime on the UK for four years beyond transition.

    Article 95 imposes binding decisions by EU quangos and bodies for four years beyond transition.

    Article 99 requires us to pay for access to records to handle issues over indirect tax where the EU keeps powers for four
    years beyond transition.

    Article 127 applies the whole panoply of EU law throughout transition, including the right to legislate any way they wish
    against our interests and enforce it on us via the ECJ.

    Article 130 prevents us taking back control of our fish any time soon. Doubtless more of our fishing rights would be given
    away trying to get an exit deal.

    Article 135 allows them to send extra bills up to the end of 2028.

    Article 140 imposes on us financial liabilities up to December 2020 and carry over into 2021.

    Articles 144 and 150 prevent us getting back accumulated reserves and profits from our European Investment Fund and EIB
    shareholdings.

    Article 143 imposes adverse conditions on us over pension and loan liabilities of the Union.

    Article 155 requires us to make continuing payments to Turkey under an EU programme after we have left.

    Article 158 gives the European Court continuing power for eight years after transition.

    Article 164 makes a Joint Committee an effective legislator and government over us.

    Article 174 requires any arbitration to be governed by ECJ judgements on the application of law in disputes.

    The Protocol on Northern Ireland will require us to stay in the Customs Union with regulatory and legal alignment with the
    single market, or split off a separate place called UK (NI) which will be governed differently to the rest of the UK on an
    island of Ireland basis.

    There is much more I could object to. This is no Treaty to take back control, no Treaty for a newly independent nation.
    It does not quantify the financial liabilities, which are open-ended and could be much larger than the low field £39billion
    Treasury estimate.
    We have little power to abate the bills and no power to abort the bills.
    It would probably result even in failure to take back control of our fishing grounds.

    Mrs May needs to go back to the EU and explain why the UK people and Parliament have opposed this Treaty,
    and ask them to think again if they want an agreement before we leave.

    She needs to make it clear we now intend to leave without signing the Withdrawal Agreement prior to the
    European Parliamentary elections.

    Yours,

    John Redwood

    Please click on the link and read the comments.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ManicMetalBasher View Post
    Mrs May needs to go back to the EU and explain why the UK people and Parliament have opposed this Treaty,
    and ask them to think again if they want an agreement before we leave.

    She needs to make it clear we now intend to leave without signing the Withdrawal Agreement prior to the European Parliamentary elections.

    Yours,

    John Redwood
    That seems a bit biased. It is majority (parliament and the people) but not "all". In fact, far from it.

    Who's "we"? Again, it's very far from "all" that want to leave.

    It is up to parliament and "the people" how you leave, not the EU. There are consequences no matter what you choose. It never was simple and never will be but you've had more than enough time to figure out what "you" wanted but instead just been treading water for well over 2 years.

    Countries such as Switzerland and Norway made agreements with the EU without a fraction of the fuss you're making. Brexit is a UK domestic issue so deal with it.

    Make a public majority decision on what you want, present it to the EU and let them decide "yes or no". Up until now the EU has said "yes" each time and then you (parliament) say "no". Make sure there is a parliamentary majority behind any proposal before it is presented to the EU.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ManicMetalBasher View Post
    My letter to the Attorney General about the Withdrawal Agreement | The Conservative Woman

    This open letter to the Attorney General, Geoffrey Cox, was first published in John Redwood’s Diary on April 15, 2019,
    and is republished by kind permission.

    DEAR Geoffrey, Let me have another go at getting a reply from you concerning the way the Withdrawal Agreement stops us
    leaving the EU. Would you kindly confirm:

    1. If we sign this Treaty we will be locked into the EU and have to obey all its rules and pay all the bills it sends us for
    a period of at least 21 months, and probably for 45 months if we have not surrendered further to reach an exit agreement
    at the 21-month stage.

    This would mean remaining in the EU for at least five years from the decision to leave, and probably for seven years.
    The EU would be able to legislate and spend against UK interests during this period, whilst we would have no vote or
    voice in the matter.

    2. In order to ‘leave’ in your terms at the five to seven year stage, the UK will need to stay in the customs union and accept
    all single market rules and laws, unless the EU relented over the alleged Irish border issue.
    Three years on and the EU has given no ground on the made-up border issue, so why would they over the next two years?
    Isn’t the most likely outcome that we would remain in the single market and customs union, contrary to the government
    promise that leaving meant leaving them in its referendum literature?

    3. After the 45-month period fully in the EU, the UK still would face financial obligations under the Withdrawal Treaty.
    The bills will be decided by the EU and we will have to pay them. Any attempt to query them would be adjudicated by the EU’s
    own court! The longer we stay in, the higher the future bills are likely to be.
    The £39billion figure is likely to be a considerable underestimate.

    4. The Treaty creates a category of super-citizen in the UK. EU nationals living in the UK when we ‘leave’ the EU will have
    their access to benefits guaranteed in a way the rest of us do not for their entire lifetimes.
    So we will not be taking back control of our benefit system.

    I am also concerned about a number of Articles in the draft Treaty that expressly extend EU powers and jurisdiction for a
    further four to eight years beyond our departure date after the 21- to 45-month delay.

    Article 5 reintroduces the powers of the European Court and enforces ‘sincere co-operation’ on us, as they do not want us
    impeding their plans for economic, monetary and political union.

    Article 31 imposes social security co-ordination on us.

    Article 39 gives special protection to EU citizens currently living in the UK from changes to social security for the whole
    of their lives, protection which the rest of us do not enjoy.

    Article 51 applies parts of the VAT regime for an additional five years after the long transition envisaged in the Treaty.

    Articles 92-3 impose the EU state aids regime on the UK for four years beyond transition.

    Article 95 imposes binding decisions by EU quangos and bodies for four years beyond transition.

    Article 99 requires us to pay for access to records to handle issues over indirect tax where the EU keeps powers for four
    years beyond transition.

    Article 127 applies the whole panoply of EU law throughout transition, including the right to legislate any way they wish
    against our interests and enforce it on us via the ECJ.

    Article 130 prevents us taking back control of our fish any time soon. Doubtless more of our fishing rights would be given
    away trying to get an exit deal.

    Article 135 allows them to send extra bills up to the end of 2028.

    Article 140 imposes on us financial liabilities up to December 2020 and carry over into 2021.

    Articles 144 and 150 prevent us getting back accumulated reserves and profits from our European Investment Fund and EIB
    shareholdings.

    Article 143 imposes adverse conditions on us over pension and loan liabilities of the Union.

    Article 155 requires us to make continuing payments to Turkey under an EU programme after we have left.

    Article 158 gives the European Court continuing power for eight years after transition.

    Article 164 makes a Joint Committee an effective legislator and government over us.

    Article 174 requires any arbitration to be governed by ECJ judgements on the application of law in disputes.

    The Protocol on Northern Ireland will require us to stay in the Customs Union with regulatory and legal alignment with the
    single market, or split off a separate place called UK (NI) which will be governed differently to the rest of the UK on an
    island of Ireland basis.

    There is much more I could object to. This is no Treaty to take back control, no Treaty for a newly independent nation.
    It does not quantify the financial liabilities, which are open-ended and could be much larger than the low field £39billion
    Treasury estimate.
    We have little power to abate the bills and no power to abort the bills.
    It would probably result even in failure to take back control of our fishing grounds.

    Mrs May needs to go back to the EU and explain why the UK people and Parliament have opposed this Treaty,
    and ask them to think again if they want an agreement before we leave.

    She needs to make it clear we now intend to leave without signing the Withdrawal Agreement prior to the
    European Parliamentary elections.

    Yours,

    John Redwood

    Please click on the link and read the comments.
    Manic Could you narrow this letter down to just a link rather than posting the whole letter? That would be a appreciated edit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gordon B. Clarke View Post
    I'm getting pictures in my head that I'd rather not have

    YouTube
    I remember getting changed for a game with a new football team I'd signed for. I'd be about 18 at the time and I was amazed to see the captain of the team putting a proper corset on before we went out !


    Regards Tyrone.

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    Limi I am glad your knees and legs are better. The back is always a tough one in our work it tends to get to hurting unless we have luck and great Genes. We all wish you well and you are in good company.

    It is good to watch our kind of humor because as we know it can get way out of hand. Just be mindful of that kind of thing.

    The mind pictures are shocking if not rather on the level. Gordon posted a video which escalated the whole mind picture picture. It made it worse.

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    ^ Ahh, a you want worse, picture Gordo in his native skirt!

    At least sami may well get the benefit of a smaller waist and a less painful back!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Spinit View Post
    Manic Could you narrow this letter down to just a link rather than posting the whole letter? That would be a appreciated edit.

    Why? Having it posted here makes it easier to access for all, it's formatted properly, no need to link to another website. I think it's fine just how it is.

    Are you just telling people to do stuff now because you can?

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    Quote Originally Posted by PDW View Post
    Bullshit. I've 3 university degrees, 2 of them postgrad. I drive a beat up turbo diesel flat tray truck or a 30 year old Subaru that won't die.

    All the money I have to waste goes on machine tools and books.

    Ok, it really goes on toys for my boat.

    PDW
    I keep thinking I’d like a boat...but then I remember where I live.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gordon B. Clarke View Post

    It is up to parliament and "the people" how you leave, not the EU. There are consequences no matter what you choose. It never was simple and never will be but you've had more than enough time to figure out what "you" wanted but instead just been treading water for well over 2 years.

    Make a public majority decision on what you want, present it to the EU and let them decide "yes or no". Up until now the EU has said "yes" each time and then you (parliament) say "no". Make sure there is a parliamentary majority behind any proposal before it is presented to the EU.
    Gordon, You still haven't grasped what happened with the referendum have you?

    To go over it again...
    The public majority decision on what was wanted, was leave. That was the vote. All the important politicians said yep, we're out.
    Done and dusted.
    Since then, "people" are well out of the equation.

    Parliament (majority) want to stay and have done everything in their power to paralyse. So that's that then.

    Which just leaves the EU.
    Barnier said at the start, that if his offer (deal/treaty) was so bad, that the UK would be begging to revoke, then he has succeeded in his job. Which he has done, because we all know by now his treaty is appalling (Mays "deal").
    The EU want the UK to stay for all the reasons we know. And they have done their best to make that happen (by presenting an unchangeable shit treaty).

    Lastly, you're comment - what have the EU said yes to every time???
    Barnier has repeatedly said they will not re-open the agreement. They (him/Juncker/Tusk) have said that since the end of Nov last year. Nearly 5 months ago now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TeachMePlease View Post
    Why? Having it posted here makes it easier to access for all, it's formatted properly, no need to link to another website. I think it's fine just how it is.

    Are you just telling people to do stuff now because you can?
    No for you to read that in is silly. No one likes any feedback. The norm is to have a link and I know you know this as you see the trend and reality of it. The fact you suggest there is something wrong with my request is off base.

    Suggestions given or problems addressed is on me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by barbter View Post
    Gordon, You still haven't grasped what happened with the referendum have you?

    To go over it again...
    The public majority decision on what was wanted, was leave. That was the vote. All the important politicians said yep, we're out.
    Done and dusted.
    Since then, "people" are well out of the equation.

    Parliament (majority) want to stay and have done everything in their power to paralyse. So that's that then.

    Which just leaves the EU.
    Barnier said at the start, that if his offer (deal/treaty) was so bad, that the UK would be begging to revoke, then he has succeeded in his job. Which he has done, because we all know by now his treaty is appalling (Mays "deal").
    The EU want the UK to stay for all the reasons we know. And they have done their best to make that happen (by presenting an unchangeable shit treaty).

    Lastly, you're comment - what have the EU said yes to every time???
    Barnier has repeatedly said they will not re-open the agreement. They (him/Juncker/Tusk) have said that since the end of Nov last year. Nearly 5 months ago now.
    Sorry but it's you that hasn't grasped the problem YOU have.

    Yes a small majority voted to leave but not as to how they wanted to leave. That's the problem YOU have. There are probably many like you that took "leave" as a no deal thing but many didn't. How "many" are many then your guess is a good as mine and that's why a second vote should have been held to get "leave" clarified.

    As good as everything negative you write about what the EU wants is BS as you keep forgetting the EU isn't a country.

    I honestly don't know what the EU "has said yes to every time". Do you? How many in parliament in fact know in advance what May is going to say every time she "drops in" to have a meeting with EU and EU countries?

    It's ENTIRELY your problem. Sort it out or yourselves FFS.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gordon B. Clarke View Post
    A... Yes a small majority voted to leave but not as to how they wanted to leave. That's the problem YOU have. There are probably many like you that took "leave" as a no deal thing but many didn't.

    B... As good as everything negative you write about what the EU wants is BS as you keep forgetting the EU isn't a country.

    C... I honestly don't know what the EU "has said yes to every time". Do you?

    D... It's ENTIRELY your problem. Sort it out or yourselves FFS.
    Quote Originally Posted by Gordon B. Clarke View Post

    C2... Up until now the EU has said "yes" each time and then you (parliament) say "no". Make sure there is a parliamentary majority behind any proposal before it is presented to the EU.
    A... It was the majority. Things in parliament pass by one vote and it's passed.
    When you race, if you come second you lost by 1, but still lost.
    Leave won.
    Conservative manifesto stated "the UK is leaving the EU" and "As we leave the EU, we will no longer be members of the Single Market or Customs Union".
    So that's a start.

    B... I don't write everything negative about the EU. As far as I know, I never wrote anything negative then, but you've jumped on me for it saying it's all BS.
    But you say that it needs reform. But is that you saying creative criticism, or you being negative, or you talking BS?

    D... It's not my problem. I cannot do one thing about it.

    C + C2... I don't understand what you're contradicting here.C2 was your original in which you say the EU has said yes every time.
    C is your answer now, saying you don't know what the EU has said yes to every time.
    And no, I don't, because as far as I can see, they're repeatedly saying no since end of Nov.

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    Just ignore him.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Limy Sami View Post
    Just ignore him.
    Goddam it's difficult, but I do try...
    Should we start talking beer again?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Limy Sami View Post
    Just ignore him.
    Who ???????????


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