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    Quote Originally Posted by Mark Rand View Post
    BiCameronism, is that f*cking the pig from both ends?
    Other way 'round.

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    If the poor sods didn't have Avon TT100 and roadrunner tyres on their daily riders, they probably never would have learned to hang off the side of their bikes...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mark Rand View Post
    If the poor sods didn't have Avon TT100 and roadrunner tyres on their daily riders, they probably never would have learned to hang off the side of their bikes...
    TT100 was Dunlop, also known as K81's ... Have to agree about Hailwood, the coolest thing was him sneaking into the TT just for fun, hoping no one would notice, now THAT is a laugh ! then winning. On a privateer Ducati, which was not very good for roadracing ...

    I can't imagine Surtees hanging off. He was always way too stylish.

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    For about 20 years, my EU-wide insurance was about 200€ or less till about 1998.
    Normal minimum mandatory cover, but I could drive anywhere in the EU and did, multiple times, over 15.000 km out-of-country.

    From 2001 or so, on a somewhat expensive sports car, Subaru STi WRC, the insurance was about 400€ /yr, including limited thrird-party cover and maybe 400€ of deductible.
    42.000€ car in 2001 +/-, == 60k€ today, 70k$, give or take.

    Since 2015, a very good Nissan Qashqai crossover SUV, 7 seat, 4-wheel, top-end, 31k€ list (Spain, 45k€ Finland),
    400€ / yr, including full third party cover and maybe 500€ deductible.
    300€ / yr if I had not taken full personal and third party cover.

    So the insurance for a very good family car is == 400€ / yr including any travel to any other non-eu countries without limitation.
    With a "good" car at the upper end of the market (we bought 1 year old for 11.000€ off list price).

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    After brexit all EU insurance on cars will of course be valid as will healthcare.
    The UK has about 500.000 people in Spain costa del sol, plus portugal italy et al, and maybe 50.000 working and 450.000 retired.
    The UK cannot afford to pay any extra healthcare costs, or repatriation, or extra tax tariffs.
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    In the EU, and in Spain, everyone is treated equally in case of accident or illness no ID required, at that time.
    Experience.
    Later, ID and or paperwork post-care may be required but it used to be that undocumented people just walked, no interview.
    Experience some years ago.
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    The real brexit problem for the UK is that extra hassle or costs of say 50€ / visit or 50€ per emergency room visit (billed later) will add very large overall costs (perceived by tourists not on company allowance),
    and visa / permit paperwork hassle we got rid of 20 years ago.

    People going to the UK will have say 800£ to spend, and 50£ less will make some not go, and all spend 50£ less.
    7.5% less spend.
    Likewise, hassle will reduce free spend, probably about 100€ / trip.
    54M EU visitors/yr, 63% of total, == 5.4 B$ loss.

    And perhaps 2-5% loss in visitors, say 2% at 1000£ each economic impact / spend or 10B£ total.

    Sure the 50£ fee will also bring in 2.5B£ - government jobs cost + spend on stuff and infra == 0£ net.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hanermo View Post
    For about 20 years, my EU-wide insurance was about 200€ or less till about 1998.
    Normal minimum mandatory cover, but I could drive anywhere in the EU and did, multiple times, over 15.000 km out-of-country.

    From 2001 or so, on a somewhat expensive sports car, Subaru STi WRC, the insurance was about 400€ /yr, including limited thrird-party cover and maybe 400€ of deductible.
    42.000€ car in 2001 +/-, == 60k€ today, 70k$, give or take.

    Since 2015, a very good Nissan Qashqai crossover SUV, 7 seat, 4-wheel, top-end, 31k€ list (Spain, 45k€ Finland),
    400€ / yr, including full third party cover and maybe 500€ deductible.
    300€ / yr if I had not taken full personal and third party cover.

    So the insurance for a very good family car is == 400€ / yr including any travel to any other non-eu countries without limitation.
    With a "good" car at the upper end of the market (we bought 1 year old for 11.000€ off list price).

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    After brexit all EU insurance on cars will of course be valid as will healthcare.
    The UK has about 500.000 people in Spain costa del sol, plus portugal italy et al, and maybe 50.000 working and 450.000 retired.
    The UK cannot afford to pay any extra healthcare costs, or repatriation, or extra tax tariffs.
    --
    In the EU, and in Spain, everyone is treated equally in case of accident or illness no ID required, at that time.
    Experience.
    Later, ID and or paperwork post-care may be required but it used to be that undocumented people just walked, no interview.
    Experience some years ago.
    --

    The real brexit problem for the UK is that extra hassle or costs of say 50€ / visit or 50€ per emergency room visit (billed later) will add very large overall costs (perceived by tourists not on company allowance),
    and visa / permit paperwork hassle we got rid of 20 years ago.

    People going to the UK will have say 800£ to spend, and 50£ less will make some not go, and all spend 50£ less.
    7.5% less spend.
    Likewise, hassle will reduce free spend, probably about 100€ / trip.
    54M EU visitors/yr, 63% of total, == 5.4 B$ loss.

    And perhaps 2-5% loss in visitors, say 2% at 1000£ each economic impact / spend or 10B£ total.

    Sure the 50£ fee will also bring in 2.5B£ - government jobs cost + spend on stuff and infra == 0£ net.
    One question. Weel maybe it's two, but an either/or, so...:

    Did you leave Finland voluntarily?

    Or did they run your "CNC" - Chronically Numerically Compulsivated - ass out to keep from being slowly driven nuts?


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    Quote Originally Posted by hanermo View Post
    The UK cannot afford to pay any extra healthcare costs, or repatriation, or extra tax tariffs.
    Damn right!
    And because I'm a "little Englander" one asks if it's anything to do with the fact that the UK paid in another 20% more than previous year - 15.5Billion...
    Britain's EU contribution rises by 20 per cent in year, as UK's booming economy props up Brussels' budget

    And here's another one...
    Ignore the crap article, but it's the below quote from it which is going to rape everyone from the wealthier countries dry, IMO.
    I have seen this in another article but can't find it so this one will do Why are we paying to build Polish roads, when ours have potholes?

    Quote:-
    In the EU’s current 7-year budget for 2014–2020 this fund has been allocated €63.3 billion euros — approximately £54 billion GBP.

    This is all part of a much bigger project. After 2020, “the European Commission has proposed that the EU spends €373 billion in the next programme period, 2021–2027, on cohesion policy”.

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    Quote Originally Posted by barbter View Post
    This is all part of a much bigger project. After 2020, “the European Commission has proposed that the EU spends €373 billion in the next programme period, 2021–2027, on cohesion policy”.
    So what is THAT all about?

    The political equivalent of loctiting "their shaft" into "your bore" so they don't even have to HUNT for it going forward?

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    9% more than the previous year. Both of which were lower than the four years before...

    • UK net contributions to EU budget 2009-2018 | Statista


    Try not to get locked up as an enemy alien when we go back to war with France, Spain and the Netherlands

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mark Rand View Post

    Try not to get locked up as an enemy alien when we go back to war with France, Spain and the Netherlands
    What about Germany ???

    So interestingly as the figures were so different, I did a bit of digging. According to the gov statistics, it was 16.4Bill - adjustment of .942 = 15.5bill.
    So that must be where the figures (and the Telegraph article) came from?
    Its page 23 here https://assets.publishing.service.go...vers_final.pdf

    Interesting as well is the EIB (European Investment Bank) and overall "EU Wording":- page 33
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    Quote Originally Posted by thermite View Post
    So what is THAT all about?
    It is simply milking the wealthy countries and pouring their money into the "backward least-favoured regions" (nicely worded quote) to bring them upto scratch.
    Road infrastructure, rail and airport infrastructure seems to be the #1 favourites.
    Ultimately poor countries get "better" (and more indebt to the banks) and richer countries get poorer...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mark Rand View Post
    Try not to get locked up as an enemy alien when we go back to war with France, Spain and the Netherlands
    No such probability. Not with those three, anyway;

    Spain... and France .. need the UK as agricultural produce & beverages market.

    Netherlands...needs access to UK fishing zones. Including selling processed seafood BACK into the UK as market.

    Germany .... needs a sharpish kick up the backside. But can't really stand even an economic "discomfort", let alone any sort of "war". This look like a "green" and healthy economy to you?:

    Germany Bulldozes Old Villages For Coal Despite Lower Emissions Goals : NPR

    Besides .. too many folks owe DE money. Too few are reliable payback prospects, and that is getting worse faster than it is getting better.

    Figures that forecast the UK economy taking this or that "hit" post-Brexit are not necessarily wrong.

    What is being overlooked is that it would be much the same if they do NOT leave, as the EU is not as healthy as it once was.

    Might as well get to where the fingers mucking up the stew are our own ones, not shared-out across 27 other special interest agendas with Germany trying to herd the cats whilst France... thinks to become the replacement finance centre to London?

    Yellow vests in the trading pits, anyone?

    Get real...

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    Quote Originally Posted by barbter View Post
    Ultimately poor countries get "better" (and more indebt to the banks) and richer countries get poorer...
    Nature of the beast with Socialism. The equality of shared misery.

    "You asked for it, you got it.. " just not a Toyota.

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    >>>Ultimately poor countries get "better" (and more indebt to the banks) and richer countries get poorer...
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    Quote Originally Posted by thermite View Post
    Nature of the beast with Socialism. The equality of shared misery.

    "You asked for it, you got it.. " just not a Toyota.

    because,you know there is a fixed amount of money on the planet so obviously if anyone else gets more it must mean less for you



    ignorance

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    Quote Originally Posted by barbter View Post
    What about Germany ???
    Cos we'd been at war with the others on and off for longer than Germany has existed and because the Royal family is German (bit of Greek influence in the current generations).

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    Quote Originally Posted by gustafson View Post
    >>>Ultimately poor countries get "better" (and more indebt to the banks) and richer countries get poorer...
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    because,you know there is a fixed amount of money on the planet
    As-at the point Socialism takes-over an economy?

    Only "sort of".

    Where it had been possible to expand and grow for all hands, once social parasitism is elevated above productivity and creativity, it generally swings over to decline.

    So, no, it was never "fixed".

    so obviously if anyone else gets more it must mean less for you
    No "less for me", 'coz I generate my own - I don't need the Socialist re-distribution of Other People's money.


    ignorance
    Go for it. Hold it dear. It doesn't make you a bad person. Not all by itself, anyway.

    Only an ineffective person. "Out competed" by those who are too busy EARNING a future to be waiting-around for their turn at a share off the social teat.

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    Boris is PM elect.....no surprise there..........Granny Merkel had the shakes last week,now she ll go completely wobbly.....Just like the German banks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by thermite View Post
    As-at the point Socialism takes-over an economy?

    Only "sort of".

    Where it had been possible to expand and grow for all hands, once social parasitism is elevated above productivity and creativity, it generally swings over to decline.

    So, no, it was never "fixed".


    No "less for me", 'coz I generate my own - I don't need the Socialist re-distribution of Other People's money.



    Go for it. Hold it dear. It doesn't make you a bad person. Not all by itself, anyway.

    Only an ineffective person. "Out competed" by those who are too busy EARNING a future to be waiting-around for their turn at a share off the social teat.
    I'm sorry was there a point there?

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    Quote Originally Posted by john.k View Post
    Boris is PM elect.....no surprise there..........Granny Merkel had the shakes last week,now she ll go completely wobbly.....Just like the German banks.
    From what had been posted on Twitter and the many 1000's that had paid and joined the Con party specifically just to vote for him, it should have been a landslide.
    But the question remains...would the Con party allow a PM to be elected who is pro (proper) Brexit?
    Me thinks not.
    So if anything happens, it's watered down Brexit-Lite, in name only. Which as we know is worse than staying as we were.

    Top Trolling from Barnier though!
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    Apart from not leaving on Oct 31 I also forecast a general election before Christmas.

    As far as I'm concerned (and for the record) Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson is NOT my Prime Minister.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Limy Sami View Post
    Apart from not leaving on Oct 31 I also forecast a general election before Christmas.

    As far as I'm concerned (and for the record) Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson is NOT my Prime Minister.
    Fully agree Sam ref my post #4502
    It is quite apt though that one of the main men advocating for Brexit, is all these years later, now given the red hot poker to hold...

    Is my memory serving me right that BoJos Dad was responsible for integrating the UK into the EU back when he was a politician?


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