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    Quote Originally Posted by barbter View Post
    Manhattan Transfer?
    You're showing your age...
    NOT EVEN CLOSE. Manhattan Transfer was an 80s group that did a lot of covers. That song was a Top 40 hit when I was getting my first bare tit at the drive-in movies in '64—I remember 'cause it was on the radio at that exact moment.

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    Quote Originally Posted by barbter View Post
    Manhattan Transfer?
    You're showing your age...
    I was listening to The Carpenters & Petula Clark earlier today, and Charlie Barnet etc yesterday.

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    Well done Oldwrench you were right on the money

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    Quote Originally Posted by Limy Sami View Post
    I was listening to The Carpenters.
    Do you watch Lawrence Welk?

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    Quote Originally Posted by converterking View Post
    Do you watch Lawrence Welk?
    Never heard of him until now - so had to look him up, and assuming you're not winding me up (not that you'd do such a thing ) no - that is most definitely not my sorta thing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Limy Sami View Post
    Never heard of him until now - so had to look him up, and assuming you're not winding me up (not that you'd do such a thing ) no - that is most definitely not my sorta thing.
    When I was in high school all the "not so cool" kids listened to the Carpenters because their parents approved. I listened to Jimi Hendrix.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Oldwrench View Post
    NOT EVEN CLOSE. Manhattan Transfer was an 80s group that did a lot of covers. That song was a Top 40 hit when I was getting my first bare tit at the drive-in movies in '64—I remember 'cause it was on the radio at that exact moment.
    I was only a kid at the time, but the original Ad-libs version was one of the songs that played on the dodgems/bumper cars at the King's Lynn Mart in 65 and 66!

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    In other news, Olly Robbins (Mays right hand man) is to receive a knighthood from the Queen and become a Sir and has been given a top job at Goldman Sachs banking team in London. The same Goldman Sachs that part funded the remain campaign...
    And the 21 "Tory Rebels kicked out by Boris" have a right to appeal and will be let back into the party providing they show loyalty. Bwahahahaha!

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    Quote Originally Posted by converterking View Post
    When I was in high school all the "not so cool" kids listened to the Carpenters because their parents approved. I listened to Jimi Hendrix.


    Now why doesn't that come as a surprise?

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    This made me laugh...
    New poster of the new EU leader just erected in Brussels.
    She was the last minute and only EU candidate as the original names (3 by memory) were removed from the ballot paper.
    'lil Kim Jong Rocket-man would approve.
    They’ll be calling themselves the ‘Democratic People’s Republic of Europe’ soon to complete the move to ‘democracy’...
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    So here's a genuine question.
    The below are comments against "Mays Deal", which she was hellbent on passing through Parliament.
    This is just one person picking holes in the "surrender agreement" (to quote Yanis Varoufakis).

    So is this "deal" not black and white that "the UK establishment" want 100% EU integration?
    Is this not proof why the UK seems to never have a say - because it is in full agreement with "the plan"?


    It’s more than just the backstop,
    Problems with the Withdrawal Agreement:

    1. Restricts Parliamentary independence - (Articles 4, 87, 89 and 127).
    2. Replaces one Commission with another - (Article 159) and (Article 164).
    3. Prevents independent arbitration (Articles 168, 174)
    4. Grants EU officials immunity (Articles 101, 104, and 106-116).
    5. Imposes a gagging order on the UK (Articles 74 and 105).
    6. Leaves the UK with European Investment Bank risks but no profits (Articles 143, 147, 150).
    7. Prevents an independent trade policy (para 23)(Article 127).
    8. Prevents an independent tax policy (para 79), (Articles 127 and 132) (Articles 86, 93 and 184).
    9. Imposes EU public procurement rules (Articles 75-78, 127 and 132) (Article 184).
    10. Prevents independent military action (Article 129(3)(6)).
    11. Requires contributions to the EU Defence Agency (Articles 129(7) and 156-157).
    12. Restricts Foreign Policy (Article 129).
    13. Demands Payment of a sum to be decided by the EU (Articles 138-144, and 152-155).

    Benjamin Wrench, Barrister

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    Quote Originally Posted by barbter View Post
    The below are comments against "Mays Deal", which she was hellbent on passing through Parliament.
    If May was "hellbent" I'm wondering how you'd describe BJs antics in parliament. Kamikaze?

    Boris Johnson loses sixth vote in six days as election bid fails

    Parliament prorogued: Chaotic scenes as MPs stage symbolic protest against shutdown in Commons

    The "Brexit Show" is making Italian politics look organized and sensible

    Since the end of World War II, Italy has had 61 governments.

    There was a time when I thought the Monty Python sketches hilarious. I still do but the competition from The Boris Show is as good.

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    The interesting bit about Boris is that he seemed to have believed he would prevail.
    Not as savvy as he thinks himself?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Trboatworks View Post
    The interesting bit about Boris is that he seemed to have believed he would prevail.
    Not as savvy as he thinks himself?
    Maybe it's a New York thing?

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    “ we degrade this parliament at our peril“
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    Just as I thought things couldn't get worse.

    'The workers are coming for you!' Labour declares class war as Jeremy Corbyn says Boris Johnson wants Brexit for his 'wealthy friends' while union baron Len McCluskey vows to fight the PM 'in our factories'

    If only the whole thing was funny. The trouble is it isn't.

    I'm wondering if Trump is pleased that attention isn't on him at the moment or will he tweet something to become the center of attention again?

    A Danish millionaire (kept out of politics) said years ago "Bad publicity is better than no publicity".

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    Politicians intuitively recognize what is essentially a physics proposition, force is measured by its opposition. Irrelevancy is death, as is miss judging that point where that opposition will bury you.....

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    Quote Originally Posted by barbter View Post
    So here's a genuine question.
    The below are comments against "Mays Deal", which she was hellbent on passing through Parliament.
    This is just one person picking holes in the "surrender agreement" (to quote Yanis Varoufakis).

    So is this "deal" not black and white that "the UK establishment" want 100% EU integration?
    Is this not proof why the UK seems to never have a say - because it is in full agreement with "the plan"?


    It’s more than just the backstop,
    Problems with the Withdrawal Agreement:

    1. Restricts Parliamentary independence - (Articles 4, 87, 89 and 127).
    2. Replaces one Commission with another - (Article 159) and (Article 164).
    3. Prevents independent arbitration (Articles 168, 174)
    4. Grants EU officials immunity (Articles 101, 104, and 106-116).
    5. Imposes a gagging order on the UK (Articles 74 and 105).
    6. Leaves the UK with European Investment Bank risks but no profits (Articles 143, 147, 150).
    7. Prevents an independent trade policy (para 23)(Article 127).
    8. Prevents an independent tax policy (para 79), (Articles 127 and 132) (Articles 86, 93 and 184).
    9. Imposes EU public procurement rules (Articles 75-78, 127 and 132) (Article 184).
    10. Prevents independent military action (Article 129(3)(6)).
    11. Requires contributions to the EU Defence Agency (Articles 129(7) and 156-157).
    12. Restricts Foreign Policy (Article 129).
    13. Demands Payment of a sum to be decided by the EU (Articles 138-144, and 152-155).

    Benjamin Wrench, Barrister
    Again—I don't have a dog in this fight, apart from being dismayed at the curtailment of liberty wherever it appears—all the more so in a civilized nation that produced the Magna Carta (a copy of which is displayed in the Casper Airport along with the Declaration of Independence which it in no small part inspired). That's quite a catalogue of bad stuff; about the only thing missing is the quartering of EU troops in British homes. Possibly reductio ad absurdum (like much of my thought process) but it's almost as if, since the Germans couldn't quite manage it in 1940 they might get another chance.

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    I'm afraid I'm not going to spend the three or four hours it would take to cut and paste and then provide a written discussion of the points Mr Wrench claims, compared with the wording of the withdrawal agreement (Yes I have just wasted another two hours reading the referred to articles).

    Suffice it to say that it's a good job that Mr Wrench is not actually a practising barrister. His interpretation of the written word seems to be that of someone who sees things filtered through some sort of conspiracy driven paranoia that has no resemblance to what was actually written.

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    Quote Originally Posted by barbter View Post
    In other news, Olly Robbins (Mays right hand man)...
    Willie had a right hand man ? I thought he was a solo performer



    Say hey !

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