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    Quote Originally Posted by ManicMetalBasher View Post
    Find out the truth about BBC lies for yourself,
    Now, really? Yah think the Beeb is the worst?

    There are only two kinds of "news" left in the world.

    Those that lie out of ONE side of their mouths.

    Those that lie out of two - or MORE! - sides of their ass.

    Yah need to track more than dozen to even figure out WHAT it is they are lying ABOUT, any given day.

    Want less bias in your US news? Read it on Canadian feeds.

    And the reverse.

    Why so? They ain't one damned bit more HONEST. Just too busy tying-up resources to craft as many lies on overseas events they don't much care about as they do on their own ones, closer to THEIR gullible voters.

    Lotta work, actually. But eventually yah have the proof.

    They are ALL lying f**kwits! Scorpion and the Fox parable. It's their nature.

    Guess that news AIN'T .. "news", izzit?

    But at least I'm "current" with it!


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    Quote Originally Posted by ManicMetalBasher View Post
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    # Everybody but Tyrone
    BBC Watch, Is The BBC Biased, Biased BBC, are three websites which report on left wing bias in BBC production. Numerous examples every
    day. Find out the truth about BBC lies for yourself,

    Uh-huh, okay, now we know where the BBC gets it's money, who funds the websites you listed?

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    Well, I'm a bit surprised by the election, or whatever it was.

    I had begun to believe that "the silent majority: really wanted to remain and continue with submissive socialist globalism. Much of that influence by comments on this thread.

    I guess I was wrong.

    There are people in the world who consider self determination a basic. I good with that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CalG View Post
    Well, I'm a bit surprised by the election, or whatever it was.

    I had begun to believe that "the silent majority: really wanted to remain and continue with submissive socialist globalism. Much of that influence by comments on this thread.

    I guess I was wrong.

    There are people in the world who consider self determination a basic. I good with that.
    I don't think you were (and I'm far far from alone!) the problem was the alternative to BJ&Co, (Corbyn) was even worse, …...to the point that rock solid Labour (left wing) seats in the north east (and others), ………... that had been Labour since their inception <> 100 years ago, switched to Conservative (right wing)

    Add to that, the Party I support (Liberal Democrats) ran an absolutely useless campaign.


    I believe BJ&Co didn't so much as win their landslide, as the opposition gave it to them on a plate.

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    One thing this proves yet again is how wrong the predictions of pollsters can be. I suspect that part of the problem is the same as in the U.S., which is that many people will not admit how they will actually vote to avoid conflict and ridicule.

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    45.6%, of those who voted, voted for brexit supporting parties, either the conservatives or the brexit party. The conservatives got 57.8% of the seats and the brexit party got none. This is a pretty lousy mandate for tearing up the future of the United Kingdom. Unfortunately, the first past the post system does not give results that represent the views of the population as a whole.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mark Rand View Post
    45.6%, of those who voted, voted for brexit supporting parties, either the conservatives or the brexit party. The conservatives got 57.8% of the seats and the brexit party got none. This is a pretty lousy mandate for tearing up the future of the United Kingdom. Unfortunately, the first past the post system does not give results that represent the views of the population as a whole.

    What is "the first past the post system"?

    Tearing up the UK? I trust not. People are smarter than that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CalG View Post
    What is "the first past the post system"?
    Winner takes all, simply the highest number of votes for a given candidate makes them the winner ……...no electoral collage proportional representation etc etc etc.

    The UK is broken up in to 650 parliamentary constituencies United Kingdom Parliament constituencies - Wikipedia each ''returning'' 1 (one) MP member of parliament to sit in the house of commons.

    Our upper house (the House of Lords) is a whole different can of worms.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Limy Sami View Post
    Our upper house (the House of Lords) is a whole different can of worms.
    Well, yes... but limited to the remains of "especially blessed" worms sorta preserved in Formaldehyde as to political effect, so..

    Be glad of stalled favoureds.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mark Rand View Post
    45.6%, of those who voted, voted for brexit supporting parties, either the conservatives or the brexit party. The conservatives got 57.8% of the seats and the brexit party got none. This is a pretty lousy mandate for tearing up the future of the United Kingdom. Unfortunately, the first past the post system does not give results that represent the views of the population as a whole.
    That is a *very* sour grapes loser side interpretation.

    Johnson spent the entire campaign saying he'd implement Brexit as a top priority, no ifs or buts.

    He won a pretty substantial victory.

    Yet you're still claiming he has no mandate?

    Well possibly in your mind he doesn't but then I suspect even if there was 100% turnout and a majority of that for leaving, you'd still say it was insufficient.

    I have NFI if leaving is a good decision or not but your fellow countrymen have voted for a PM and party that promised to leave. He has a substantial majority.

    Time to build a bridge (maybe to France) and get over it.

    PDW

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    Quote Originally Posted by PDW View Post
    Time to build a bridge (maybe to France) and get over it.

    PDW
    LOL! Seriously. Just NOT "France"! Well.. surely not Paris, but there's parts of the Dordogne kinda out of the mainstream of life and strife?

    OTOH? I've had acquaintances in Andorra, Repubblica di San Marino, Principato di Seborga, or Campione d'Italia as don't pay ANY of this annoying news the least bit of attention atall.

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    I was just reading there is a huge environmental catastrophe in the sea water around the UK.

    All the Labour salty tears has increased the salt content of the water and the fish are having trouble staying underwater.

    There was a similar event earlier this year in Australia and a few years ago in the US.



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    Senor Rand doesnt like the first past the post voting system..aka....one person /one vote.......Well ,Markus,spend that tenner you ve been saving for a pint ,and come to Oz.....note I cal it Oz ,because its a weird place ,with many strange things.....Anyhoo,back to voting.....here we gots preferential whatsits....and it has spawned a gaggle of parties /pressure groups/ rabid opportunists.....like the greens ....who are able to obstruct just about everything and anything with a tiny numbers ....unelected ,unrepresentative,but able to blackmail governments very effectively.......For instance ,in this alternative existence called Oz-tralia,you can get into Parliament with zero votes ...yes zero ,as in 0.....and yes it has happened .Recently....So ,Markus,be careful what you wish for......and be satisfied with what you have.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PDW View Post
    Well possibly in your mind he doesn't but then I suspect even if there was 100% turnout and a majority of that for leaving, you'd still say it was insufficient.
    PDW
    The 45.6% I quoted wasn't the proportion of the electorate or the population. It was the proportion of those that actually voted. That means that fewer people voted in favour of brexit supporting parties than voted against them. As I said, a lousy mandate.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RC99 View Post
    I was just reading there is a huge environmental catastrophe in the sea water around the UK.

    All the Labour salty tears has increased the salt content of the water and the fish are having trouble staying underwater.

    There was a similar event earlier this year in Australia and a few years ago in the US.


    Well, no. The US one was different. They tried to BOIL the Ocean.

    Seem to have been so distracted by something called "TDS" the heat went any direction at all - except a useful one.

    So they failed somewhere around the stage of making a decent cuppa cawfee.

    And- naturally - have been BILLING the Yew-Ass taxpisser, "brand immaterial" FOR it.

    To the tune of probably a hundred million bucks or better for the various circuses crafted off the spillage.

    Suspicion is rising that DJT actually HIRED three Dems to f**k-up their own party more thoroughly than enough. Or maybe more than just three? Surely has been getting one Helluva high "ROI" on whatever small change for it came outta his OWN pocket.

    And that Putin was also paid to act the bad boy, become a sanctions-magnet, and screw the Russian Federation's economy so far into the ground that it can no longer build a tank or a carrier as doesn't need towed off for repairs after - or even DURING - the photo-op.

    Keeps at it, Commander in Thief Tsar Stalputler will even have to RENT corruption itself from the PRC Government, so many of his kleptocratic cronies have cashed-in and scarpered.

    "Interesting times!"


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    Quote Originally Posted by PDW View Post

    Johnson spent the entire campaign saying he'd implement Brexit as a top priority, no ifs or buts.


    PDW
    The point is that is bollox,(as was 99.99% of his election campaign) he will only be implementing the leaving agreement, which is little more than the preface to the total deal.
    Come the 1st Feb 2020 even if that bill has passed the commons,(& IMO that's not a given - the fight's far from over) ……..we will still be in Europe as much as we are now (if not more so) because we will be in deep negotiation.

    Plus the leave side will continue to fight every millimetre, tooth and claw, legal challenges - the works!

    Boris Johnson had one major problem - nobody (including many on his own side) trusts him any further than they could throw him.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ManicMetalBasher View Post
    #6192 Tyrone
    "Are the lies of " The Daily Mail " , " The Daily Express ", " The Daily Star", " The Daily Torygraph " more to your taste then ?"
    These publications make no pretence about their impartiality, nobody is obliged to buy them.

    Whereas:-
    The BBC is obliged by its Charter to be impartial, it breaks the terms of its Charter every hour of every day.
    The BBC supports the, supposedly independent far left Guardian, by buying 15% of the papers printed!*
    The BBC also supports the, supposedly independent far left Guardian, by placing c90% of its adverts for staff in the Guardian!*
    Corollary, if the BBC needs a non BBC employee to provide a left wing viewpoint someone from the Guardian is ideal. Reliable and their fee
    goes to a supporter of "the cause"!
    Not surprising that the views of BBC and far left Guardian employees are so similar, it's often the same people.
    The BBC also supports the, supposedly independent far left Guardian, by taking on Guardian staff to avoid them being made redundant!

    Paying for the TV licence is not an option, for watching live television legally. Not limited to BBC broadcasts!
    Every TV licence payer who votes Conservative has been subsidising Labour Party activity!
    *These figures are c5 years old.


    # Everybody but Tyrone
    BBC Watch, Is The BBC Biased, Biased BBC, are three websites which report on left wing bias in BBC production. Numerous examples every
    day. Find out the truth about BBC lies for yourself,
    The far left " Guardian " is a social democratic paper which advised it's readers to vote for the Liberal Democrats and not the Labour Party as recently as the General Election of 2010.

    If the Guardian and it's readers are on the far left where do you position the Labour Party ? Has it fallen off the left edge of the planet ?

    For me a lie is a lie wether I pay for it or not. Other people buy those rags I mentioned and they believe what they read to the detriment of the rest of us unfortunately.

    Regards Tyrone.

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    It seems to me ,that UK Labor are planning to replace the leadership with more of the same ...aged socialist warriors still fighting the factory floor battles of the 70s from the comfort of their armchairs......Anyhoo,whatever happened to the Millibands,seem to have disappeared.

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    Quote Originally Posted by john.k View Post
    .Anyhoo,whatever happened to the Millibands,seem to have disappeared.
    David is well and truly on the post politics gravy train David Miliband - Wikipedia

    and Ed is MP for Doncaster North - and no doubt on the skim somewhere - an MPs salary and ex's aren't exactly on the breadline. Ed Miliband - Wikipedia

    No change there then,

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    Quote Originally Posted by Limy Sami View Post
    Winner takes all, simply the highest number of votes for a given candidate makes them the winner ……...no electoral collage proportional representation etc etc etc.

    The UK is broken up in to 650 parliamentary constituencies United Kingdom Parliament constituencies - Wikipedia each ''returning'' 1 (one) MP member of parliament to sit in the house of commons.

    Our upper house (the House of Lords) is a whole different can of worms.
    I appreciate your taking the time to instruct me. Thanks.

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