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    Quote Originally Posted by Miguels244 View Post
    So...
    The we subsidize war through export and trade to keep Boeing running?
    I have to wonder...if we weren’t busy swinging our dick to fund the military industrial complex..How much would we need boondoggles like the F35.


    And really, if Airbus builds a better plane, why not switch.
    And who is this “we” you are you talking about?
    Do you really think any airline gives shit one about anything except cost?
    It is not too much to expect a American company supports our military needs. What is wrong with that especially since Boeing provides a much larger need to the civilian needs. Any country that is significant does the same and so why attack only your own country for that? We provide jets to the world and we compete.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jancollc View Post
    It would hurt our defenses (and our allies') immeasurably to lose those assets though.
    Defenses against what, fifteen a-rabs with box cutters ? Ooooo.

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    We are OK to fly the Boeing aircraft now people . Ryanair has re-named it the 737-8200 so you will all feel a lot safer. Anybody up for the first flight?

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    Quote Originally Posted by camscan View Post
    We are OK to fly the Boeing aircraft now people . Ryanair has re-named it the 737-8200 so you will all feel a lot safer. Anybody up for the first flight?
    Hopefully they've fixed the problems rather than just thrown on some new decals...
    New Ryanair 737 MAX 200 plane drops the 'MAX' from its name

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    Quote Originally Posted by EmanuelGoldstein View Post
    Defenses against what, fifteen a-rabs with box cutters ? Ooooo.
    They were Saudis. Just like our ol' buddy, ol' pal Prince BoneSaw.

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    Quote Originally Posted by camscan View Post
    We are OK to fly the Boeing aircraft now people . Ryanair has re-named it the 737-8200 so you will all feel a lot safer. Anybody up for the first flight?
    After you matey.

    Regards Tyrone.

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    Quote Originally Posted by camscan View Post
    We are OK to fly the Boeing aircraft now people . Ryanair has re-named it the 737-8200 so you will all feel a lot safer. Anybody up for the first flight?
    737-666

    There you go

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tyrone Shoelaces View Post
    After you matey.
    Hey, I've done Tupolevs. Can't be as bad as that

    They had comfy seats, by the way. At least if I'm gonna die I want to go in comfort

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    Would Boeing be a successful commercial airplane maker without a military division?

    At this point they would, as EG recalls Douglas and, Lockheed were both major players in commercial aviation for many decades. All the major players got defense money and parlayed that in civil aircraft. Lockheed lost an immeasurable amount of business due to Rolls Royce and their labor issues with the L-1011. On paper it was THE airplane to have. Douglas got a lot of the Lockheed business with the DC-10 , remember these are all pre 757.

    So the question about Boeing and its defense contracts directly contributing to their commercial division goes back to the B-47. In the late 1940's Boeing like several of the major airplane makers were commissioned to build the jet bomber fleet. The B-47 used a number of design elements discovered by US forces from German airplane research. All the US major airplane makers were made aware of these discoveries, not all of them were given the contracts to build bombers. Boeing by being the maker of the B17 and B29 were in good position to be the builder of the next big bomber. Convair got the last round with the B-36 and they had also been very successful with B24 production.

    The 707 was an add on development to the KC-135, the B-47 and B-52 had given Boeing the design for the wing and engine pylons for the 707. In fact the KC-135 were the first 707 type airplanes ordered. Everything from there forward to the 757/767 were evolutionary from that first B-47 When Boeing first built 707's they were not sure they would have a viable commercial market, the KC-135 keep the line alive. Douglas and Lockheed were at the time the two dominate players in civil aviation domestically and world wide. Boeing's good fortune to get the earlier defense contracts for the B-47 and B-52 not only gave them an advantage in building large jet airplanes, it gave them the cash flow that allowed development of civil aircraft from their military projects.

    Lockheed made a choice to exit the civil aviation market and their ties to the USAF enabled them to profit greatly from that choice. Douglas was still making a few MD-11's and Super 82's when Boeing ate them. Honestly, we should have a couple more airplane companies in the US to make the industry more competitive.

    Steve

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tyrone Shoelaces View Post
    After you matey.

    Regards Tyrone.
    No,after you Claude.

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    Quote Originally Posted by camscan View Post
    No,after you Claude.
    Hmm. A golden opportunity for the moderator to convince us all how safe these planes are.
    Nominated. Anyone second the nomination?

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    I flew to Spain today in a "Boeing", 737-800 apparently. Trouble free flight.

    Regards Tyrone

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    Quote Originally Posted by jim rozen View Post
    Hmm. A golden opportunity for the moderator to convince us all how safe these planes are.
    Nominated. Anyone second the nomination?
    Sorry,no,that is not where I was going. Any older (think Limy) should have known the response to after you Claude.

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    Jim I have mostly flown Boeing so for me choosing a alternative is not needed. What other planes will you fly might be more helpful. I suppose you think Boeing jets are no longer used yet that is not the case. If anyone is afraid to fly then trains, cars, and boats may be the choice.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Steve in SoCal View Post
    Would Boeing be a successful commercial airplane maker without a military division?

    At this point they would, as EG recalls Douglas and, Lockheed were both major players in commercial aviation for many decades. All the major players got defense money and parlayed that in civil aircraft. Lockheed lost an immeasurable amount of business due to Rolls Royce and their labor issues with the L-1011. On paper it was THE airplane to have. Douglas got a lot of the Lockheed business with the DC-10 , remember these are all pre 757.

    So the question about Boeing and its defense contracts directly contributing to their commercial division goes back to the B-47. In the late 1940's Boeing like several of the major airplane makers were commissioned to build the jet bomber fleet. The B-47 used a number of design elements discovered by US forces from German airplane research. All the US major airplane makers were made aware of these discoveries, not all of them were given the contracts to build bombers. Boeing by being the maker of the B17 and B29 were in good position to be the builder of the next big bomber. Convair got the last round with the B-36 and they had also been very successful with B24 production.

    The 707 was an add on development to the KC-135, the B-47 and B-52 had given Boeing the design for the wing and engine pylons for the 707. In fact the KC-135 were the first 707 type airplanes ordered. Everything from there forward to the 757/767 were evolutionary from that first B-47 When Boeing first built 707's they were not sure they would have a viable commercial market, the KC-135 keep the line alive. Douglas and Lockheed were at the time the two dominate players in civil aviation domestically and world wide. Boeing's good fortune to get the earlier defense contracts for the B-47 and B-52 not only gave them an advantage in building large jet airplanes, it gave them the cash flow that allowed development of civil aircraft from their military projects.

    Lockheed made a choice to exit the civil aviation market and their ties to the USAF enabled them to profit greatly from that choice. Douglas was still making a few MD-11's and Super 82's when Boeing ate them. Honestly, we should have a couple more airplane companies in the US to make the industry more competitive.

    Steve

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    See recently an in cabin vision of a Boeing crash,the two indigenous pilots ignore all the warnings,including the 100 foot warning,and land in the sea..........so much for the training of small national airline pilots....or maybe warnings dont mean much in pidgin .

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    Quote Originally Posted by john.k View Post
    See recently an in cabin vision of a Boeing crash,the two indigenous pilots ignore all the warnings,including the 100 foot warning,and land in the sea..........so much for the training of small national airline pilots....or maybe warnings dont mean much in pidgin .
    Why not post the link to the video so we can see what you mean?

    I'm also wondering why, as you insinuate, an airline company would leave an expensive plane in the hands of an idiot?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gordon B. Clarke View Post
    I'm also wondering why, as you insinuate, an airline company would leave an expensive plane in the hands of an idiot?
    Hey, we did that with our country, so what's a piddly little airplane?

    Back to the name change question - they should add ballistic parachutes and underbody airbags to all the planes, then rename the company to Boing Aircraft Co. Advertise the safety of unscheduled landings as equivalent to "Bounce Houses" for travelers. Sales will go through the roof!

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    The general consensus in the airline industry is that Boeing builds a better plane than Airbus...over time they require less maintenance and are more robust.

    If not for preferential financing (subsidized by European governments), Airbus would not have the market share they do in North America.

    So, Boeing isn’t going anywhere...

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    Quote Originally Posted by cnctoolcat View Post
    So, Boeing isn’t going anywhere...
    Neither is mr max, still grounded....

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