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    Quote Originally Posted by Trboatworks View Post
    Ok- how's this.

    We have just about most well developed health care system in the world- we are SECOND!

    The pissing Danes hardly rate- You pilgrims come in 22nd!

    Take that ya socialists...


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    Imagine being out spent by the Marshall Islands ! The shame of it !

    Regards Tyrone.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gordon B. Clarke View Post
    As helpful and impersonal as always. Think sarcasm

    I suggest you read my reply to Rozens post and this time - you think. I started with "If you believe what you've posted" as maybe not all thought irony or humour. Many Americans seem to choose to believe all the negative about tax funded healthcare rather than the many benefits and advantages.

    I don't regard any country as best but some are better than others.

    List of countries by total health expenditure per capita - Wikipedia

    The UK was first and for that they deserve credit and thanks.
    If you cannot see the irony and humour in JRs post that is your problem,not mine. Have you ever tried accepting that you may be wrong sometimes?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Trboatworks View Post
    Ok- how's this.

    We have just about most well developed health care system in the world- we are SECOND!

    The pissing Danes hardly rate- You pilgrims come in 22nd!

    Take that ya socialists...

    Current health expenditure (% of GDP) | Data
    Bloody hell. If only you had the second best health care system in the world considering how much you pay.

    Unless you were being ironic or sarcastic (camscan can help me out there) then I don't give a damn what "system" you (the USA) chooses. I don't see any country wanting to copy. I wonder why. Hmm a bit of irony at the end there.

    What is ironic is that Denmark is probably more capitalistic than the USA even with a socialistic mindset.

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    “ Less you are being sarcastic“...

    Never in Life sir, never in life……

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gordon B. Clarke View Post
    Bloody hell. If only you had the second best health care system in the world considering how much you pay.

    Unless you were being ironic or sarcastic (camscan can help me out there) then I don't give a damn what "system" you (the USA) chooses. I don't see any country wanting to copy. I wonder why. Hmm a bit of irony at the end there.

    What is ironic is that Denmark is probably more capitalistic than the USA even with a socialistic mindset.

    I'm doing fine. "How you doin'?"

    World Happiness Report - Wikipedia
    There are significant sectors within the UK establishment and the Tory Party that would love nothing more than for the UK to follow the example of the USA regarding health care. Plenty of money to be made in private health care as we have seen.

    Regards Tyrone

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    A "right to health care" is dumb argument.

    Show up to provider and they take care if you.

    If you were denied then a problem.

    Expecting someone else to pay is never a right but many expect it.

    To please discuss this properly, drop the "rights" b.s. and discuss it in real terms.

    The homeless have made poor choices and is not relevant here as they have mental problems and should be forcibly treated maybe but then our right to have a clean city verses their right to be living on the sidewalk clash.

    We pay dearly for our insurance as payrol deduction and minimal copays but these are far LESS than the taxes that would be charged and we can either wait for regular provide or urgent care any time as well as we if needed.

    $15.00 for first 2 and $50.00 for latter.

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    Plenty of healthcare threads to go back to, no need to rehash it all in this thread.

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    I believe the argument goes that some areas are so beneficial to the well-being of a nation that they fall under the responsibility of government.

    Defense, infrastructure such as roads and bridges, regulation of business, administration of courts, support for education, environmental protections, support for basic research, healthcare...

    If one agrees to the basket of appropriate responsibilities being met by our government than one can assume the population has ‘rights’ to those services being met equitably.

    It’s not a big mystery.
    We cede to government our defense from external threats by our military, internal threats by the rule of law.
    Should be add the defense from health threats to the nations population?
    I would say yes.

    Noted above- back to airplanes..

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    FAA let Boeing 737 Max continue to fly even as review found serious crash risk | Business | The Guardian

    From the article

    US regulators allowed Boeing’s 737 Max to keep flying even after their own analysis found the plane could have averaged one fatal crash about every two or three years without intervention.

    According to a report dated a month after a Lion Air 737 Max crashed in October 2018, killing 189 people, the Federal Aviation Authority (FAA) concluded the plane could become involved in more fatal crashes without design changes.

    An FAA spokesperson told the Wall Street Journal, which first reported the news: “It was clear from the beginning that an unsafe condition existed.”

    According to the Wall Street Journal, FAA officials had major concerns about the Max’s MCAS stall prevention software, which investigators have blamed for the Lion Air crash. But they decided to certify the plane anyway in anticipation of Boeing fixing the software and, in the meantime, telling aircrew worldwide how to respond to MCAS issues.

    Asked if the FAA had made a mistake in not taking more action after its own analysis had highlighted the issues with the Max, Dickson said: “Obviously the result is not satisfactory.”

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    There is much here which is fairly damning to both the internal deliberations and actions taken by Boeing and the regulatory environment charged with catching these issues.

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    Quote Originally Posted by triumph406 View Post
    US regulators allowed Boeing’s 737 Max to keep flying even after their own analysis found the plane could have averaged one fatal crash about every two or three years without intervention.
    Yeah, and bird strikes could cause about 3500 fatal crashes per year without an intervention. (I made the number up, it's an example. Substitute "coffee spill" for bird strike, if you like.)

    Generally speaking, in the event that something unusual happens, we expect the pilot to do something. This may be old-fashioned but it's what got us through the first 100,000 years of being human.

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    Not often ( like, never before ) have I done this to EG, but ....

    Quote Originally Posted by EmanuelGoldstein View Post
    Yeah, and bird strikes could cause about what (#) ... I made the number up, it's a Substitute (for) coffee spill or bird strike if you like..


    Generally speaking, in the event that something unusual happens, we expect the pilot to do something... ( anything ) useful or ... just f'n sum'n reasonable

    This may be old-fashioned but it's what got us through the first 100,000 years of being human.

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    Phillip Rhodes was one of the preeminent Yacht designers of the first part of the Twentieth century.
    He received many accolades but the most profound perhaps was that the designs from his board simply 'looked right' and sailed better than they looked.

    There was a remarkable sensibility to his work- proper yachts which worked.

    A short clip of the Max was provided with the report Triumph noted above.
    The design catches the eye- there is really something off about the tacked on engines- they don't "look right" and as it turns out they don't fly right either..

    In my minor way my work includes thousands of hours in design work.
    I alter systems for new functions or improvements or build new as the task requires.
    Every person who does this sort of work knows that a point exists where the task requires a complete replacement to get the best function.
    Tacking things on has limits and when you meet them, start over.

    Boeing tried to make this work- it doesn't and that cost to avoid a fresh start might be exceeded if a few key countries refuse to certify the Max after this.


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    I just caught the end of the BBC radio news. It seems that production of the MAX is to be suspended for the immediate future. There will be knock on effects for the British parts making industry.

    I suppose you can only stockpile so many planes.

    There could be job losses in both countries according to the report.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tyrone Shoelaces View Post
    I just caught the end of the BBC radio news. It seems that production of the MAX is to be suspended for the immediate future.

    ...I suppose you can only stockpile so many planes.
    Boeing has not made any announcements yet. Possibly later today after the markets close. They have said before that if the delays are too long they might have to suspend production.

    It's not a matter of storage space- it takes time for the airlines to induct new planes into their fleets. As it stands today, the number of planes built and waiting to be delivered won't be cleared out before sometime in 2021.

    The FAA is moving slowly, and they said they will be issuing individual airworthiness certificates- tail by tail- when the jet returns to flight. That means every frame out there has to be test flown and re-certified and go through a new acceptance flight.

    So even when they finally do get the updates all certified, the planes will still be coming back online at a very slow pace.

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    Yeah- that seems to be the word on the wire- announcement after market close.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Trboatworks View Post
    Yeah- that seems to be the word on the wire- announcement after market close.
    Funnily enough I just caught it as I was getting up, it was on our 8-00 am news bulletin. I listened again at 9-00 am and there was nothing. I hope I didn't dream it ! Since then it hasn't been repeated and I have the radio on most of the day.

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    I was chewing the fat with my mate over the weekend.
    He was up at BAE Broughton the other week and they had 20 Hawks (by memory, but we'd had a lot of sherbert by then ) lined up, built for an order that didn't come.
    We couldn't comprehend the investment without a committed order.

    Meanwhile, 400+ 737s sit waiting???!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by barbter View Post
    I was chewing the fat with my mate over the weekend.
    He was up at BAE Broughton the other week and they had 20 Hawks (by memory, but we'd had a lot of sherbert by then ) lined up, built for an order that didn't come.
    We couldn't comprehend the investment without a committed order.

    Meanwhile, 400+ 737s sit waiting???!!!
    Put an arrester hook on them all and get them on the aircraft less aircraft carriers we've just built. At least they can have a practice at being real aircraft carrier crew. What are the guys who look after the flight side of things doing at the moment ? Folding paper planes ?

    Regarding the MAX that's a lot of money just sat around doing nothing. Will Boeing be insured against this sort of eventuality.

    Regards Tyrone.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Trboatworks View Post
    Phillip Rhodes was one of the preeminent Yacht designers of the first part of the Twentieth century.
    He received many accolades but the most profound perhaps was that the designs from his board simply 'looked right' and sailed better than they looked.

    There was a remarkable sensibility to his work- proper yachts which worked.
    Never sailed one of his bigger creations but many years ago we sailed out of Marblehead harbor in rented Rhodes 18s. They were really sweet handling and fairly fast, a huge improvement over the beamy cat boats I learned on.

    The man was a true master.

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