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    Quote Originally Posted by EmanuelGoldstein View Post
    For the record, this is not an accident report, it's a major theatrical production staged by the same assholes in Congress who promote and legislate for the exact practices that caused this, now turned to pious virtue signalling and showboating, in the hopes that no one will notice it was their tax policies who created the situation.

    It's not an "accident report" in any way, shape, or form.
    “ It's not an "accident report" in any way, shape, or form.”

    I have not started reading the report and really have no motivation or not much. I feel the investigation brings positive change and a working solution. Yet to say that the report is simply and completely what you describe is pretty dark. I get you are very Anti American manufacturing like many here.

    To some there will never be anything except the conspiracy. It is a lazy and simpleton outlook. It ignores the history of the American people and their patriotism and positive ideals. I do not think those ideals and mindset are gone I believe they are still there. If people want to degrade the country and revise and attack its history including the builders of our country then fine. I will not do it.

    Boeing will be fine we came we saw we addressed the problem. That is all I ever expected. If there is wrongdoing then fine expected that they would air it out and good for them. That is all I could expect and not being able to change the past I accept and respect the investigation.

    EG you imply it is all a dog and pony show. I say no this is the United States not China. If it had been China then everything in those planes would have been Slovenia before the planes even crash. It is best to admit what our trading partners are really good at.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Milland View Post
    In fairness, it's the report of a Congressional committee reviewing the accident and processes that led to it. A true AR would come from the FAA.
    In fairness and honesty, so far on this government page I have not found a single reference to the causes of the actual accidents and there is no direct connection between either crash or the described processes that lead to the investigation.

    The actual accident reports say something entirely different.

    I do see 30 out of 32 headlines prominently placing "Chair DeFazio" in the limelight, generally as the very first word. However, in those 32 citations, not one about the actual accident. In fact, over that entire page I don't see one discussion of the events leading to either crash.

    Beyond that, everything Chair DeFazio loudly wails and gnashes his teeth over is a direct result of the tax incentives and "loopholes" he and his butt-buddy congressmen enacted into law. He and his money-grubbing two-faced accomplices in Washington are ultimately responsible for this. They created the incentives and the mechanisms, then eliminated all the controls. Where is the root cause ?

    No wonder the wingers get up in arms. This stuff is self-righteous, virtue-signalling theater. Yes, Boeing is a bunch of turdheads now, but this "congressional inquiry" is anything but. It's 99.9% pure cat vomit.

    Quote Originally Posted by Trueturning View Post
    I have not started reading the report and really have no motivation but I will comment on it anyway...
    Have you been drinking again, True ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ChipSplitter View Post
    Oh my goodness! You definitely need to read this thread: My continued struggle to find decent shop help

    The real action starts on page 13, but you'll want to read some of the previous pages to understand the context.

    Thirty pages in six days........that was epic.
    Woof. Lotta shit there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by EmanuelGoldstein View Post
    In fairness and honesty, so far on this government page I have not found a single reference to the causes of the actual accidents and there is no direct connection between either crash or the described processes that lead to the investigation.

    The actual accident reports say something entirely different.

    I do see 30 out of 32 headlines prominently placing "Chair DeFazio" in the limelight, generally as the very first word. However, in those 32 citations, not one about the actual accident. In fact, over that entire page I don't see one discussion of the events leading to either crash.

    Beyond that, everything Chair DeFazio loudly wails and gnashes his teeth over is a direct result of the tax incentives and "loopholes" he and his butt-buddy congressmen enacted into law. He and his money-grubbing two-faced accomplices in Washington are ultimately responsible for this. They created the incentives and the mechanisms, then eliminated all the controls. Where is the root cause ?

    No wonder the wingers get up in arms. This stuff is self-righteous, virtue-signalling theater. Yes, Boeing is a bunch of turdheads now, but this "congressional inquiry" is anything but. It's 99.9% pure cat vomit.


    Have you been drinking again, True ?
    I do not know where you get the drinking thing from. It seems to be a focus for your type of underhanded lowlife actions.

    To think anything would be developed convicting Boeing of the accident by the government in addition to proving the failures is naive. It is things like these that make some of us convinced you are a Chinese troll. The accidents will be litigated in the courts and they will then use the findings on failures of safety as well as damages.

    “ No wonder the wingers get up in arms. This stuff is self-righteous, virtue-signalling theater. Yes, Boeing is a bunch of turdheads now, but this "congressional inquiry" is anything but. It's 99.9% pure cat vomit.”

    I thought the cat vomit remark was funny. All most people who are reasonable wanted was for a investigation to fix the obvious problems. You seemed to fall on the side of American companies bad-always bad and evil. To find evil from where you are now you do not have to look all the way to the United States.

    You have nothing to complain about in reality with the report. It pointed out issues and pointed the blame on the responsible parties.

    EG this article on the report and the quotes seem to place the blame where it is due except on how the government was dysfunctional as was the structure of oversight and proper communication while divulging problems known to FAA.

    There seems to be several mentions of the crashes contrary to what you said before.

    “However, in those 32 citations, not one about the actual accident. In fact, over that entire page I don't see one discussion of the events leading to either crash.

    Don’t act like they ignored the crashes themselves because they do not reference the crashes in every paragraph like you seem to think.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Trueturning View Post
    I do not know where you get the drinking thing from. It seems to be a focus for your type of underhanded lowlife actions.
    Okay, probably unfair, let me put this a different way.

    1) This is not an accident report of any kind. It has nothing to do with the accidents or their causes. It is a Congressional hearing (or series of papers, actually, that was linked to by Milland.)

    2) All the actual known causes for both accidents were totally igored. In fact, not even mentioned.

    3) There was a bunch of Congressional posturing involved. As I mentioned, out of 32 papers, 30 of them had the DeFazio twat's name prominently displayed in bold even before the subject of the paper.

    4) To a certain extent, Boeing can be faulted for not pushing training harder. However, every single pilot I have spoken with or read comments from has immediately known the proper procedures for dealing with the situations that precipitated the crashes.

    Notice I did not say "caused" because in at least one instance, the fault was not only known, the previous crew had the problem, overcame it, recorded the failure in the logbook and the airplane should have been removed from service immediately. The crew performance leading to the other crash was even worse.

    Somehow, according to this congressional committee, that was Boeing's fault.

    5) More interesting to me was all the lecturing and self-righteous posturing by the very committee responsible for oversight of the FAA. Umm, it was their job to see this didn't happen. Who failed, exactly ?

    6) I find it even more interesting that the economic measures enacted by these very same committee members are the underlying reasons why Boeing is what it is today; cheats. Liars, crooks, etc ... It's because Mr DeFazio et al have not only not done their job for the past forty years, but have actively encouraged unsafe, unethical, dishonest behavior on the part of every large corporation in the US. "Greed, for the lack of a better word, is good" ... that's the motto of the fucking US Congress.

    It is extremely hypocritical of them to wail and gnash their teeth over something were instrumental in creating.

    Those people imo are disgusting. They do not deserve to hold the position of dog-catcher.

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    The actual document is linked to in post #1, the second link has an option to download the 238 pages, what milland posted was the second link at the end of my link.
    Here is again:
    After 18-Month Investigation, Chairs DeFazio and Larsen Release Final Committee Report on Boeing 737 MAX | The House Committee on Transportation and Infrastructure

    Just under the first paragraph there is a link to "The Committee’s 238-page report" that will open it.


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