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    One more Sign of California self-destructing.
    I just hope they all stay there.
    Biggest problem with California.....Californians

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    Quote Originally Posted by toolsteel View Post
    . . . Biggest problem with California.....Californians
    So you're on a computing device, over the Internet, on a forum powered by vBulletin software to complain about the state that (more than any other) invented, builds, and maintains that stuff?

    You could send California a stage coach -- or hope the telegram wires are still in place -- next time you want to diss' the country's most populous, most diverse (for better and worse), and most productive (GDP) state.

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    Bummer for sure and it continues.

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    Quote Originally Posted by toolsteel View Post
    Biggest problem with California.....Californians
    Umm, no. Us Californians wish the people from back east who moved here would get the hell out. Those are the do-gooder lunatics, not us natives. We shoulda put up a wall.

    And yeah, Pete. Google can be the first to leave

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    Quote Originally Posted by PeteM View Post
    So you're on a computing device, over the Internet, on a forum powered by vBulletin software to complain about the state that (more than any other) invented, builds, and maintains that stuff?
    "Only recently". Unless they've relocated White Plains, NY, Orange, NJ, and the Boston/Cambridge belt to Kalifornikya?

    You could send California a stage coach -- or hope the telegram wires are still in place -- next time you want to diss' the country's most populous, most diverse (for better and worse), and most productive (GDP) state.
    It may have been at one time.

    Compare the original Bay Bridge build execution time to more recent repairs. Highway and waterworks built long ago, and long-since badly over-strained.

    Victor Davis Hanson: Members of previous generations now seem like giants — When did we become so small? | Fox News

    Now you'd need mobile devices if for no other reason than so many of those FORMERLY productive folks are spending too high a percentage of their "waking" hours stuck in gridlocked traffic on crumbling highways - or cleverly routing AROUND that, but still wasting time and fuel, yah?

    And now? Can't afford a decent home, can't count on having water, can't be certain of not being burnt-out or buried in mud? Can't even count on having electricity reliable enough to keep 'lectrical stuff charged or even keep food from rotting?

    More than a few "third-world" countries are waaay better-the-f**k-off, yah?

    And y'all voted this s**t right onto your own souls? How's that working, and whither the next decade or so?

    Bottom line is that "flyover country" is no longer just the vast heartland of 'merica that still has more water than forest fires, Earthquakes, mudslides, and homeless, hopeless due to mental health issues, drug addiction - or simply being PRICED out of a roof over their head or a square meal, no matter HOW hard they are willing to work or HAVE DONE.

    "Flyover Country", now, the Kalifornikyah SSR has made itself. Not one business in
    "Silicon Valley" as cannot complete a 100% relocation within a single calendar year, if-even. It's happening already.

    Anyone with a lick of sense heading out over the Pacific or returning avoids even transiting SFO and LAX. No gain to that, either.

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    I'm not gonna disagree with many of the "problems" california has, BUT the weather is still the best here....

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    Quote Originally Posted by drcoelho View Post
    I'm not gonna disagree with many of the "problems" california has, BUT the weather is still the best here....
    Once again, "It used to be."

    Too much pollution. Too many fires. And WTF can be done about "deodorizing" human feces on the sidewalk, let alone taking the stink out of crooked politicians?

    Didja know that California Politician has displaced West Virginia coal miner as the priciest item on the menu at a cannibal restaurant?

    Ask the chef WHY?

    "Hey mon, didja ever try to CLEAN one of 'em before cooking?"


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    Quote Originally Posted by thermite View Post
    "Only recently". Unless they've relocated White Plains, NY, Orange, NJ, and the Boston/Cambridge belt to Kalifornikya? . ..
    Vint Cerf and Bob Kahn, going way back to Arpanet, usually get credit. Cerf went to Stanford. He and Kahn met at UCLA. Both remain excellent schools. IBM (NY) and Boston (MIT) surely get a bit of the credit -- which is why California gets a "more than other" states mention, even on the "invent" part.

    You're living in pucker distance of DC and worried about crooked politicians in California? And you really want to compare crooked Bob McDonnell, elected by the good people of Virginia with, say, reformed Jesuit hippie Jerry Brown?

    Newsom, I'd warrant, you could have.

    Weather here is 71F with a gentle breeze, clear skies, and a wonderful view to the Bay. Still plenty of California girls here, and a land of opportunity for anyone able to make it to, say, Stanford, Cal Tech, Berkeley, UCLA, USC, etc. etc.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PeteM View Post
    Vint Cerf and Bob Kahn, going way back to Arpanet, usually get credit. Cerf went to Stanford. He and Kahn met at UCLA. Both remain excellent schools. IBM (NY) and Boston (MIT) surely get a bit of the credit -- which is why California gets a "more than other" states mention, even on the "invent" part.
    Look at the players. "Non partisan", actually. Rather a lot of them shuttled back and forth East Coast/Left Coast depending on whom had the Government contracts or grant money, any given calendar quarter.
    You're living in pucker distance of DC and worried about crooked politicians in California? And you really want to compare crooked Bob McDonnell, elected by the good people of Virginia with, say, reformed Jesuit hippie Jerry Brown?

    Newsom, I'd warrant, you could have.
    You've missed two main differences:

    A) "the good people of Virginia" also sentenced McDonnell to 2 years in jail plus 2 years of post-jail supervision, financially ruint him even when his Lawsters dodged the actual lock-up time. In any case, he was taken out of the statehouse.

    B) No Fine Way we'd want Newsom if we had to take the rest of his clan with him. Even lackadaisically corrupt (only because they are too lazy to do corruption as well as NY, NJ, IL, or CA .. ) Maryland shed themselves of the Baltimoron D'Alesandro crime family for at least a modest cost-reduction as to cheaper and less voracious ripper-offers.

    C) Not "worried about" what goes on in Kalifornikyah. Wrote it off as beyond salvage a long time ago. Smart folks have seen the future and bailed, whether early-on, or "still yet, this year and coming".

    Nor do they have a patent on that. Still trying to get a consensus among the family in Hong Kong as to "no matter WHAT, it is too far past its prime to salvage. Time to bail out."

    Easier for them, of course. Not new news. Everyone has at least two nationalities and there have long been homes on three other continents "just in case".

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    Apologies if already commented....Kinda sucks if your in an area subject to power outage and your only vehicle is an electric vehicle. Only option I guess would be to keep a generator for charging purposes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by standardparts View Post
    Apologies if already commented....Kinda sucks if your in an area subject to power outage and your only vehicle is an electric vehicle. Only option I guess would be to keep a generator for charging purposes.
    Or how d'you fill the tank even of a fossil-fueled motor vehicle if the gas and Diesel pumps and POS system that control them have gone dark?

    Not EASY to fall-back to public trans, ride-sharing, bicycle, dump spoilt food and live out of tins, dried & other packaged foods, wotever

    ... but the news has had folks on who have no other options. Dependent on utility power to run medical gear for life-support.

    Yah. Another several million generators?

    The NATO MEP-803A I ran for test just last night was even CARB-compliant. In 2007, IIRC. Doubt it is today, under 900 hours on it or no.

    PG&E needs a whole ton of investment to put those vulnerable uber-High Voltage lines over to underground or encased above-ground super-conductors as Hong Kong runs under the harbour.

    Not cheap. Not happening.

    Around 1970, CA had about 20 million residents, had been dealing with water issues for a long time, also periodic fire and mudslide risk, clogged highways already SHOUTING OUT troubles to come. Not to mention the odd serious Earthquake.

    By 2020, fifty years on, population will have doubled to 40 million that they KNOW of, plus at least another five percent - maybe more, maybe even MUCH more, not even on the books.

    Y'all have already eaten yer seed-corn, taxed the leftovers to death, banned the use of the "spoils" for fertilizer, and bankrupted PG&E off liability exposure.

    How d'yah dig out of THAT sort of hole? Ever?

    Oh. Surely.

    Simply vote anything the least bit problematic out of existence with "Proposition blame-game #(n)", throw a hundred million bucks or so down the rathole created, tell the lie it is fixed. Or that -like everything else from bad breath to contaminated dope - must be that evil bastard DJT's damned fault.

    Sure as taxes, that earns re-election, and every fragging time.

    You'd have to know Kalifornio's.

    Or lemmings?


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    Seems like so many things are sketchy....."Inspectors Found Major Problems with Caldecott Tunnel's"...100,000 vehicles a day and the gen sets are not big enough? "CalTrans spokesperson said those generators are only able to power the lights and security cameras in the event of an outage, but it's not designed to keep the ventilation systems working." Known since 2018
    Inspectors Found Major Problems with Caldecott Tunnel’s Emergency Power Systems in 2018 - NBC Bay Area

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    I'd just like to mention here that the famous Pelosi witch is not a Caifornian and never has been. She was born and raised in Baltimore, Maryland.

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    Love to throw that one back.

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    Quote Originally Posted by thermite View Post
    Not EASY to fall-back to public trans, ride-sharing, bicycle, dump spoilt food and live out of tins, dried & other packaged foods, wotever
    Lived in an area that had power outages several times a year, out in the forest, wind, weather, etc. We even had flooding occasionally that cut us off from the rest of the world (creek had spawning salmon in summer.) It was pretty easy to deal with power outages, if you were prepared. The only tricky part was the refrigerator, and nowadays you could solve that pretty easy with a small Honda generator.

    If this becomes a habit, people will learn to deal with it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by toolsteel View Post
    One more Sign of California self-destructing.
    I just hope they all stay there.
    Biggest problem with California.....Californians
    Wishful thinking toolfool,
    California, despite carrying a bunch of LibTards on there back, produce a shit load of product, allot is defence aircraft.

    Don't let your own politics turn you into an idiot.

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    Quote Originally Posted by otrlt View Post
    Wishful thinking toolfool,
    California, despite carrying a bunch of LibTards on there back, produce a shit load of product, allot is defence aircraft.

    Don't let your own politics turn you into an idiot.
    Don't let the burden of your own idiots turn you into politicians trying to survive in a... well. Not "rust" belt, exactly...

    Would you believe plastics and chemical waste, loominum processing scrap and chemicals, plus semi-conductor-processing toxins pumped into the vanishing groundwater?

    Weather may be nice. "Quality of life" and pool of decent labour at affordable rates is better in f*****g Pittsburgh, PA - the mills long-gone - as far as rather a lot of Corporate HQ have found.

    Escapees don't have to go that far. See Texas, Nevada, Washington, Oregon, for example.

    Sound familiar, any of that dreadful "cycle"?

    I mean.. the Garden of Eden wasn't the ONLY paradise we f****d up. Only the FIRST one...


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    Quote Originally Posted by EmanuelGoldstein View Post
    I'd just like to mention here that the famous Pelosi witch is not a Caifornian and never has been. She was born and raised in Baltimore, Maryland.
    A baltimoron, and second-generation crooked politician, yes. But she had to seek her fortune in Kalifornickyah. Other baltimorons would not have been so dumb as to vote her in for even a second term.

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    I read thru this to see if anyone mentioned PG&E's rolling brown outs in the early 2000's
    Didnt they get fined back then?

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    Default California Power Outages

    Long term, California manufacturing is doomed.

    Manufacturing technology is easily transferred. And due to the profit motive of corporations, eventually much of Califronia's manufacturing will be moved elsewhere, in search of lower labor costs, less regulations, lower utilities, etc.

    It has already been happening...why would it not? All corporation's have the primary objective to maximize profits.

    And yes, they are in Washington, but just look at Boeing for example, they are slowly drifting east and south in America (and outsourcing more and more), just to compete with Airbus.

    The high-tech industries in Silicon Valley operate in a bubble, with little competition to rattle their cages. But it will eventually happen, even high-tech is transferable...and certainly steal-able (China).

    If the defense industries actually had to compete, they would have been out of California long ago. But as it is, the defense contractors have very-high costs, which doesn't bother them as they just add a profit percentage and shoot off the quote to the government/military. So, the higher their costs, the higher their net profits...but eventually that cozy little system will be forced into cost-efficiency by capitalism.

    So, California will be left with their bountiful agriculture economy, and as long as they can import enough low-labor Mexicans to pick the crops, they will do OK in that regard.
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