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    Quote Originally Posted by jancollc View Post
    Pete, I am not going to rehash the Iraq war or Powell's address. . . . I can match you "lie for lie" with dems if that's going to be the standard. ...
    Probably not. Trump is by far the "greatest" in the lie department. That said, I don't see this as a Democrat vs. Republican thing, but an issue of transparency and accountability.

    A whole train of political actors have been exposed after Vietnam. Including Nixon who prolonged the war (and saw thousands more killed) to win an election and McNamara who is among the rare individuals to actually admit he was wrong.

    Nixon was held accountable for Watergate.

    We've figured out Reagan lied through his teeth about Iran Contra -- though it's kind of surprise to me that the guy running much of that is now NRA President.

    We still don't have the whole story of Bush 1.0s dealings in the CIA (a former FBI bureau chief I knew hinted at this) but overall he seemed a pretty square shooter to me.

    Bill Clinton got pretty well sidetracked for thinking a blow job wasn't really having sex. In an earlier and gentler time, an Eisenhower or a JFK would probably think much the same?

    We've pretty much figured out, with Bush 2.0, there weren't the claimed WMD in Iraq or that we really couldn't count on Wall St. to regulate itself. Though another 2016 set of lies was that Republicans would reinstate Glass Steagall.

    Obama has been pretty much crucified for putting his PR spin (you can keep your doctor) on the ACA. For what it's worth, I've kept my doctors. A few percent of citizens didn't, because their lower cost plans didn't meet to new requirements to actually cover major illnesses.

    Hilary Clinton has been bashed on just about everything, with pretty much only the private email server thing sticking (same as many others did before and Trump advisors are still doing). No one seems to have noticed she didn't win the election in 2016 and is pretty much back to being a grandmother these days. Even Democrats hold her accountable for losing the election.

    Meanwhile, Trump hasn't yet been held accountable for the dozens of substantive lies. The man has screwed subcontractors, grabbed pussy, defrauded Trump U. students, and defrauded veterans and donors to his "charity," He has likely laundered Russian mob/oligarchy money, still hasn't released his tax forms, lied about meetings with Russians, and instructed his son how to lie about meetings with Russians. All issues (Trump's deference to Putin) relevant to this topic. Then there are the lies (and then revelations) about why he fired the FBI Director and numerous attempts at obstruction of justice.

    Among Trump promises, we were going to drain the swamp in Washington. Instead, we have the most corrupt and revolving-door cabinet and cabinet-level administration in history. We were going to have the greatest upgrade to healthcare. Nothing. We were going to make huge investments in infrastructure. Nothing. We were going to turn out the deficit. It's gotten worse. Even the trade imbalance continues and manufacturing recently slowed for the first time in a decade.

    Trump also savages anyone who doesn't kiss his butt. He did this to nearly every substantial Republican primary candidate (often with lies, like Ted Cruz' dad maybe killing Kennedy), Gold Star families, Obama as born in Kenya, and to this day the press, most minorities, and pretty much everyone else not at least as thrilled with him as you apparently are. I get the liking tax breaks, even if paid by debt, but the man is a monster. What President wakes up each morning and decides which US citizen to savage with a tweet? Latest lie is a falsely suggesting a Muslim congresswoman danced with joy on 9-11. Tearing apart the country, to create fear in a political base is, in my mind, worse than a Nixon enemies list.

    Then there's the hypocrisy. Attacking China for cheap manufacturing, while having his and his family's cheap trinkets made there. Suggesting all those Mexicans (rapists and murderers) are the source of our problems, while employing them on his construction sites and in his hotels.

    What differentiates Trump's continued lies from all those past Presidents (as you say, not all 12,000 of them serious), is that the man is still in office and still borrowing and stealing from the future in an attempt to make his dwindling base think he's God.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PeteM View Post
    Hanermo made a point to the effect that Europe didn't need US help in defense because Russia didn't want to invade, just trade with Europe "like they have done with us for 200 years."

    My point was that, post WWII, Russia managed to occupy much of Eastern Europe and brutally repress independence movements. There was a reason for NATO. And, it now looks like Putin is intent on reassembling some of that by intervening, militarily, in places like the Ukraine. It now has de facto control of Crimea. Apparently there still is a reason for NATO.
    USSR/Soviet Union is not the same as modern Russia. I dont think it fair for you to blame modern Russia for what the Soviets did in the past.
    As for Ukraine can you show some evidence of Russian troops on Ukraine soil?
    From everything I have seen, and I have been watching it since the beginning, is that Russia has stayed out of Ukraine, maybe/probably some Russian civilians may be helping. Ukraine is such a mess Russia is smart to not want to go in there.
    Crimea is now part of Russia, it has always been part of Russia except for the lasrt few decades. And the people in Crimea Voted to return to Russia. It was something like 90+% of the votes were to go back to Russia and the voter turn out was also above 90%.
    We in the USA are lucky to get around 50% turnout for close to 50-50 split on decisive issues.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Trboatworks View Post
    Lots of ways to skin this cat.
    A bear thesis for US30 futures.

    BEAR- do ya hear me Otrit..

    Attachment 265399


    This is what the Dow fight for survival looks like on a 30 trading chart:

    Attachment 265400

    That small bull rally is a bull trap in this analysis- trade is technically bear till that resistance above is breached.
    Hello Triboat,
    Your prognathous looks compelling, but would I trade off of what you presented?

    Answer; NO

    Even if you are correct, to re-enter the market you'll be buying at much higher levels within 2-3 years.

    Do you understand dividends?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rob F. View Post
    . . . I dont think it fair for you to blame modern Russia for what the Soviets did in the past.
    As for Ukraine can you show some evidence of Russian troops on Ukraine soil?
    From everything I have seen, and I have been watching it since the beginning, is that Russia has stayed out of Ukraine, . ..
    Rob, FWIW, Trump thought that, too. What, Russia annexed Crimea??

    There are literally hundreds of credible sources you could find to disabuse yourself about Russian not annexing Crimea. And Crimea has been part of the Ukraine -- in treaties recognized by the US, EU, AND Russia. Indeed, after the fall of the Soviet Union we both guaranteed non-interference in order to take the nukes out of the Ukraine. Here's one of many sources you could find: Five years after Crimea’s illegal annexation, the issue is no closer to resolution

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    Quote Originally Posted by Trueturning View Post
    Would someone stop yawning Emanuel’s chain?

    You just go on and on.
    Stop banging that drum and waving the bloody shirt, Spinit, and I won't have to mention that the US military is murdering scum.

    Quote Originally Posted by jancollc View Post
    The US will present the evidence at the General Assembly. Then we will see.
    Oh cool. I hope they bring Colon Powell back to address the UN again. He's been such a truthful guy, ever since he was in charge of covering up My Lai.

    You know what we don't get?
    In general, whores and goons don't get much respect, no.

    btw, the people of Japan do want the US gone, and so do the people of South Korea. As usual, it's the politicians on the US bankroll that want the bases. Diem wanted the bases, Marcos wanted the bases, the Saudi royals like them bases, Pahlevi wanted bases, the list goes on -- of dictators with friends in Washington, but none in their own country.

    How many deposed dictators escaped to live in the US ? Did they get overthrown because of their overwhelming popularity ?

    George said "Don't make alliances" and he was a smart man. If the military stuck to defending the United States we wouldn't have to have this argument. Not that they were any good at that, either, but at least philosophically we could all be in agreement.

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    Quote Originally Posted by EmanuelGoldstein View Post
    Stop banging that drum and waving the bloody shirt, Spinit, and I won't have to mention that the US military is murdering scum.


    Oh cool. I hope they bring Colon Powell back to address the UN again. He's been such a truthful guy, ever since he was in charge of covering up My Lai.


    In general, whores and goons don't get much respect, no.

    btw, the people of Japan do want the US gone, and so do the people of South Korea. As usual, it's the politicians on the US bankroll that want the bases. Diem wanted the bases, Marcos wanted the bases, the Saudi royals like them bases, Pahlevi wanted bases, the list goes on -- of dictators with friends in Washington, but none in their own country.

    How many deposed dictators escaped to live in the US ? Did they get overthrown because of their overwhelming popularity ?

    George said "Don't make alliances" and he was a smart man. If the military stuck to defending the United States we wouldn't have to have this argument. Not that they were any good at that, either, but at least philosophically we could all be in agreement.
    Who yawned on your chain again. Will you cease with the harping on the Emanuel G’s History lesson?

    Hope your dog is still hiding from your daily kick. You might do this forum the same consideration by trying to out do the new mod. Sorry about your buddy Spirit . Y’all must have been close yet you have never changed with your History lessons. It is not worth it dealing with ALL you throw out.

    It has been discussed and rehashed and discussed again.

    It would be good if you discussed the current drone/ missile situation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Trueturning View Post
    It would be good if you discussed the current drone/ missile situation.
    That's easy.

    It's not our fucking problem.

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    Quote Originally Posted by EmanuelGoldstein View Post
    btw, the people of Japan do want the US gone, and so do the people of South Korea.
    I don't know about Korea, but in Japan, it seems a bit more complicated than that from what I've seen and talked to with Japanese people. The LDP - the ruling party which is maybe sort of comparable to our Republicans, just to keep it simple - want to reform the constitution to allow Japan to have an independent military instead of what is essentially, and literally by name, only a self-defense force. But the left-wing people in Japan aren't so sure, because they don't know that it's such a good idea because they fear they may get into another war, maybe some small skirmish with South Korea, or something with North Korea. So while yes, I think it's Okinawans? that want them gone more than anyone, it's not so cut and dry for many. Yes, the LDP has kept its rule almost uninterrupted for most of the post-WW2 era, but not everybody aligns with everything the LDP or PM Abe promotes. Japan has an electoral college sort of system like ours, but if it were just a popular vote, it may be more split. About a third of Japan's entire population lives in Tokyo, which is a lot more politically diverse. I'm not saying there's a large portion that necessarily want them there, but there's a general feeling of being against war and many are scared of what an independent military of Japan would mean in light of that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by EmanuelGoldstein View Post
    That's easy.

    It's not our fucking problem.
    That is the Emanuel I like. I mostly agree why would we get involved in another war at this time? Support for Saudi is fine but another war I do not wish. Truth is most do not want it. We shall see.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jancollc View Post

    As far as the 10,000 "lies". Sorry but I don't count off the cuff campaign rhetoric and various trivial exagerrations as "lies".
    For you to so easily dismiss the twelve thousand Trump lies so easily shows how well you've learned to gaslight from your master.

    Sorry, these are not trivialities, these are corrosive lies, ones that are helping to undermine Democracy and the country. I look forward to DJT finally being held to account for the damage he and his ilk have done, but I fear the effects will be so long lasting as to outlive any possible punishment for him and his complicit "children".

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    Quote Originally Posted by nyc123 View Post
    I don't know about Korea, but in Japan, it seems a bit more complicated than that from what I've seen and talked to with Japanese people.
    Your understanding is in line with mine. As always, I value what EG has to say about technical subjects like grinding. And pretty much disregard what he has to say about the US military and it's use.

    While there's some truth there (Powell was horrifically wrong, whether knowingly or not), the hyperbole is counterproductive, and isn't balanced when it comes to Chinese policies.

    And as to "not our problem"? No, it is. We've got a few World Wars to back up the idea that maintaining a role as progressive leaders in the world is helpful from a lowering of spilled blood standpoint, or at least would be if we had good US leadership - which at this time we do not.

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    And EG, why do you think Trueturning is a sockpuppet for Spinit? Spinit still has and posts to his own account, I don't see any reason why the newcomer would be him.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PeteM View Post
    Rob, FWIW, Trump thought that, too. What, Russia annexed Crimea??

    There are literally hundreds of credible sources you could find to disabuse yourself about Russian not annexing Crimea. And Crimea has been part of the Ukraine -- in treaties recognized by the US, EU, AND Russia. Indeed, after the fall of the Soviet Union we both guaranteed non-interference in order to take the nukes out of the Ukraine. Here's one of many sources you could find: Five years after Crimea’s illegal annexation, the issue is no closer to resolution
    Thanks Pete,
    I will accept that there were Russian shenanigans with regard to the vote to return Crimea to Russia. Here is a WaPo article on history of Crimea, some excerpts:

    The modern name "Crimea" seems to have come from the language of the Crimean Tatars, a Turkic ethnic group that emerged during the Crimean Khanate. The Tatars called the peninsula "Qırım." While Russia, which annexed the state in 1783, officially tried to change the name back to Taurica, Crimea was still used informally and eventually reappeared officially in 1917.
    ....
    With the Crimean Tatars deported from the peninsula, along with large numbers of Greeks and Armenians, Crimea was a very Russian place. Then, in 1954, something unusual happened: Russia gave it to Ukraine.

    Why exactly did Premier Nikita Khrushchev transfer the Crimean Oblast to the Ukrainian Soviet Socialist Republic? In an informative post over at Slate, Joshua Keating picks up on a few possibilities. For one, the award of Crimea -- a strategically important place also great for agriculture -- was seen as a "gift" for Ukraine, whose people had suffered terribly during World War II. Peasants from Crimea could now be rewarded with land in Ukraine.

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...cated-history/

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    Quote Originally Posted by EmanuelGoldstein View Post
    Fuck the military.

    btw, you believe that My Lai was an exception to the rule. So ... who bombed Laos and Cambodia ? All those Air Force generals who gave the orders and the bombers who followed them, which one of those people stood up and said, "No." ? When Will Rogers shot down an airliner, did he get kicked out of the Navy ? Did he even get a reprimand ? Hell no, he got a medal. What happened to Hugh Thompsen for protecting a village of old men and women and children ? Thirty years later they gave him a meaningless certificate, but in the meantime Colon Powell and the rest who attempted to cover it up were lauded, feted, moved up the ranks to general and he was ostacized by all. The one, ONE fucking hero of the Vietnam war and he was treated like garbage by your wonderful military. How about the gunship that spent an hour attacking a hospital just a while ago ? Medals for all, I guess ?

    The military has no ethics. None. They have proven it time and time again. They are shit.
    And this just in....:
    'Total Massacre' as U.S. Drone Strike Kills 30 Farmers in Afghanistan | Common Dreams News

    MSNBC host Chris Hayes tweeted Thursday that Americans should pay attention to the attack and try to put themselves in Afghan shoes.

    "It is so easy to read this and be upset or shake your head and still see it as an abstraction," said Hayes. "But take a second to play through a missile from, say, Iran landing in Iowa and killing 30 farmers and what that would do to domestic politics."

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    When did Congress declare war on Afghan pine nut farmers ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Trboatworks View Post
    Lots of ways to skin this cat.
    A bear thesis for US30 futures.

    BEAR- do ya hear me Otrit..

    Attachment 265399


    This is what the Dow fight for survival looks like on a 30 trading chart:

    Attachment 265400

    That small bull rally is a bull trap in this analysis- trade is technically bear till that resistance above is breached.

    So that bear call- it was accurate as least in the short term.
    The "bull trap" was exactly that.
    What is more interesting from that call are the chart indications which are used to describe potential price behavior.
    A couple things are of note- see that 30 minute "trading chart" I posted yesterday and the some chart with price progression as that call developed:


    The first chart:

    screen-shot-2019-09-20-7.41.20-am.jpg

    The price progression which clearly shows price "honored" key levels which had been visible and noted prior to that price action:

    screen-shot-2019-09-21-8.22.47-am.jpg


    So yes- I did put "my money where my mouth is".
    I placed a short and carried it to profit.
    Ten dollars profit LOL as I was very busy and didn't want to carry the trade unmonitored during the day so less fees a big $5 buck trade.
    So as always making real money is MUCH more than simply calling the trade...
    For bears all the above is just a day trade- it could as easily have looked bull and have no indication of longer move but...
    This failure on the daily indicates a longer term decline:

    screen-shot-2019-09-20-6.53.33-am.jpg

    I still am on the fence as to whether we are at a true "top" on a year scale chart or if the chart indicates Otrits bull run to 30k or above.
    But.... I am generally bear sentiment right now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by EmanuelGoldstein View Post
    When did Congress declare war on Afghan pine nut farmers ?
    They must be lumped in with weddings and funerals

    How Many Civilians Have U.S. Drone Strikes Killed? - The Atlantic

    Trump Admin Ups Drone Strikes, Tolerates More Civilian Deaths: U.S. Officials

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    It is interesting how CNN covers this drone strike. All of the talking heads on this network are suggesting that an all-out war is imminent. Now they say that US Troops are being deployed to Saudi Arabia, but they fail to report that these troops are mostly techs that are assisting the Saudi's with their missile defense systems.

    Meanwhile, Bloomberg and CNBC treat this story as a non-event.

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    Quote Originally Posted by otrlt View Post
    It is interesting how CNN covers this drone strike. All of the talking heads on this network are suggesting that an all-out war is imminent. Now they say that US Troops are being deployed to Saudi Arabia, but they fail to report that these troops are mostly techs that are assisting the Saudi's with their missile defense systems.

    Meanwhile, Bloomberg and CNBC treat this story as a non-event.
    Bloomberg and MSNBC probably have it right.
    I dont think there will be a war between SA and Iran, all oil production in the area would cease and that would not be good for anyone.
    The US forces (techs) are probably sent more to see what kind of intelligence can be got from these new drones/missles, than to protect SA facilities.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PeteM View Post
    Probably not. Trump is by far the "greatest" in the lie department. That said, I don't see this as a Democrat vs. Republican thing, but an issue of transparency and accountability.

    A whole train of political actors have been exposed after Vietnam. Including Nixon who prolonged the war (and saw thousands more killed) to win an election and McNamara who is among the rare individuals to actually admit he was wrong.

    Nixon was held accountable for Watergate.

    We've figured out Reagan lied through his teeth about Iran Contra -- though it's kind of surprise to me that the guy running much of that is now NRA President.

    We still don't have the whole story of Bush 1.0s dealings in the CIA (a former FBI bureau chief I knew hinted at this) but overall he seemed a pretty square shooter to me.

    Bill Clinton got pretty well sidetracked for thinking a blow job wasn't really having sex. In an earlier and gentler time, an Eisenhower or a JFK would probably think much the same?

    We've pretty much figured out, with Bush 2.0, there weren't the claimed WMD in Iraq or that we really couldn't count on Wall St. to regulate itself. Though another 2016 set of lies was that Republicans would reinstate Glass Steagall.

    Obama has been pretty much crucified for putting his PR spin (you can keep your doctor) on the ACA. For what it's worth, I've kept my doctors. A few percent of citizens didn't, because their lower cost plans didn't meet to new requirements to actually cover major illnesses.

    Hilary Clinton has been bashed on just about everything, with pretty much only the private email server thing sticking (same as many others did before and Trump advisors are still doing). No one seems to have noticed she didn't win the election in 2016 and is pretty much back to being a grandmother these days. Even Democrats hold her accountable for losing the election.

    Meanwhile, Trump hasn't yet been held accountable for the dozens of substantive lies. The man has screwed subcontractors, grabbed pussy, defrauded Trump U. students, and defrauded veterans and donors to his "charity," He has likely laundered Russian mob/oligarchy money, still hasn't released his tax forms, lied about meetings with Russians, and instructed his son how to lie about meetings with Russians. All issues (Trump's deference to Putin) relevant to this topic. Then there are the lies (and then revelations) about why he fired the FBI Director and numerous attempts at obstruction of justice.

    Among Trump promises, we were going to drain the swamp in Washington. Instead, we have the most corrupt and revolving-door cabinet and cabinet-level administration in history. We were going to have the greatest upgrade to healthcare. Nothing. We were going to make huge investments in infrastructure. Nothing. We were going to turn out the deficit. It's gotten worse. Even the trade imbalance continues and manufacturing recently slowed for the first time in a decade.

    Trump also savages anyone who doesn't kiss his butt. He did this to nearly every substantial Republican primary candidate (often with lies, like Ted Cruz' dad maybe killing Kennedy), Gold Star families, Obama as born in Kenya, and to this day the press, most minorities, and pretty much everyone else not at least as thrilled with him as you apparently are. I get the liking tax breaks, even if paid by debt, but the man is a monster. What President wakes up each morning and decides which US citizen to savage with a tweet? Latest lie is a falsely suggesting a Muslim congresswoman danced with joy on 9-11. Tearing apart the country, to create fear in a political base is, in my mind, worse than a Nixon enemies list.

    Then there's the hypocrisy. Attacking China for cheap manufacturing, while having his and his family's cheap trinkets made there. Suggesting all those Mexicans (rapists and murderers) are the source of our problems, while employing them on his construction sites and in his hotels.

    What differentiates Trump's continued lies from all those past Presidents (as you say, not all 12,000 of them serious), is that the man is still in office and still borrowing and stealing from the future in an attempt to make his dwindling base think he's God.
    I like the way you cover subjects.

    One thing I have to ask in relation to quote

    “What differentiates Trump's continued lies from all those past Presidents (as you say, not all 12,000 of them serious), is that the man is still in office and still borrowing and stealing from the future in an attempt to make his dwindling base think he's God.”

    Is there a documented list of the 10,000 lies because I did not find a documented detailed list. I ask who is credible for the 10000 lies of Trump and so who compiles and bothers to count these things? At any rate it is a practice now and will be done to anyone if the target is important.


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