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    Quote Originally Posted by gustafson View Post
    If you are OK with that, whatever, no problem
    I'm OK with Jim getting OTHER things right. Hope you manage to do, as well.

    Otherwise, TDS is your own handicap, hopefully doesn't even take up any significant part of your day. Bothers me not a wit, even if it does.

    Yah. He's an arsehole. To one-and-all. Not focused enough to class as a "racist". BFD.

    He's also effective. Even if only by taking the heat so OTHERS are cleared to do the real work. Given the HR doesn't seem to have any other goals AT ALL, but to hammer DJT?

    That's pretty damned impressive, actually.

    Not an uncommon combination for NewYawkahs.

    Also a useful combination for getting shitty jobs done, regardless of obstacles.

    That part is what we have. Messy? Certainly. Also way ahead of whatever is in second place.

    "Saints" don't even run for public office. Just Deal with that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by iwananew10K View Post
    Spinit, your box is full.
    Cleared.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gustafson View Post
    If you tell someone of a different color to '[go back to where you came from', you are a racist full stop end of discussion.
    To be fair,
    Quote Originally Posted by The Donald
    So interesting to see “Progressive” Democrat Congresswomen, who originally came from countries whose governments are a complete and total catastrophe, the worst, most corrupt and inept anywhere in the world (if they even have a functioning government at all)
    Their country, The US, does fit that description...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mark Rand View Post
    To be fair, Their country, The US, does fit that description...
    LOL! Yah..well... on that loose a metric, so do all the others!

    Betcha we got more and nicer pick-em-up trucks outta the deal!

    Dutch may have us on bicycles, though.

    Not sure where to class Britrail's leavings... nor Brexit's lack-of..


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    Quote Originally Posted by gustafson View Post
    ...sure pooh pooh someone elses sources without actually addressing the facts
    Was there a source cited there somewhere? I must have missed it.

    Seems the demand for "hate crimes" has outstripped the supply...

    fakehatecrimes.org

    My favorite was the piece of lab equipment that was a member of the KKK, lol.

    Student cries KKK — except what she saw was a sheet over lab equipment | The College Fix

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    Quote Originally Posted by jancollc View Post
    Seems the demand for "hate crimes" has outstripped the supply...

    fakehatecrimes.org

    My favorite was the piece of lab equipment that was a member of the KKK, lol.

    Student cries KKK — except what she saw was a sheet over lab equipment | The College Fix
    LOL! I didn't even chase it, but there was one in the Sporting world just a day or so back where a person got into a heated argument with the Umpire.

    Which was a computer "AI" (Artifical Idiot) critter.

    No shortage. Opportunity for Silicon Valley to further automate arguments, hate crimes, racism..

    .. but not TDS!

    Not until AI can deliver an orgasm off the practice of it, like real folks enjoy!


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    That part about this escapade that the bothers me the most is the notion "if you don't like it you can leave". its a buffoon statement dismissing all social progress since say feudalism; as if not leaving means one must SFU and accept all as is

    What do you think- on the child's scale of witty retorts, is its above or below "I know you are but what am I?"
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    Quote Originally Posted by jancollc View Post
    CPI numbers come from the BLS, not the Fed. In any case, if you don't trust the numbers, there's no point talking about inflation as there's no other measure that has data behind it.
    For fun, a little more academic approach to the problems with the consumer price index ...

    http://www.annuityagentsalliance.com...tes-092916.pdf

    Or this, which is a little less forgiving towards the feds ...

    Forbes : If You Want To Know The Real Rate Of Inflation, Don't Bother With The CPI

    It's not just my overworked imagination

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    Quote Originally Posted by thermite View Post
    .....
    Yah. He's an arsehole. ....
    He's also effective. .....
    Yes to both.
    When he goes off the deep end with such obvious flame throwing it seems often something else is going on in the background that now will not make the news cycle.
    Could that be an actual plan?
    Inflammatory tweets and such may have been used in the past to cover environmental and banking type stuff all of which simply slid by unnoticed in the noise.
    It's a good stagey if you think about it. Focus the attention elsewhere.

    • Hence, when able to attack, we must seem unable;
    • The whole secret lies in confusing the enemy, so that he cannot fathom our real intent.

    Somebody wrote those bullet points a while back and I think somebody now read them.
    If such a out front, piss people off thing thing is thrown out there I wonder what the heck else is going on under the covers? It will be a media frenzy and anyone would know that.
    Maybe an ass in some's view but not certainly not stupid. There is a game being played here.
    Bob

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    What I personally most dislike are the soundbites mostly removed from reality and context and facts.

    And dislike the fact the current president mostly gets a free ride on massive propaganda he spouts on twitter, tv and a lot of mass media.
    It is fine for any person, or president, to expose personal views or opinions.

    But lying about clear facts in public,
    as a president, *of the usa*, on say ..

    immigrant court attendace (2% quoted vs 87% real),
    natgas power plant permits (obama permits),
    iran nuke deal costs (0 $ to US, 50B$ global vs 150B$ quoted),
    chinese ag purchases (16 vs 26B$),
    ...
    and never getting any real media pushback, is terrible.

    The fact is that the president of the USA continuously distorts the truth or uses quotes that have no basis in fact.
    This means that the US faith and credit is fast eroding, worldwide.

    People, nations, do not trust that the US stands behind it´s word, commitments.
    Leaving the paris agreement ( of near-zero US economic cost), proves that the US cannot be trusted.
    Leaving the Iran agreement, of positive US costs in reduced military activity.
    Leaving or breaking NAFTA.
    Threatening NATO, Japan defense.
    Threatening US debts aka treasury bonds, as being "negotiable" according to Mr Trump.

    Then the US has started a trade war with china, for no reason understandable.
    China had 2% of their GDP tied into US trade, 2017, and much less in/by mid 2019.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hanermo View Post
    the current president mostly gets a free ride on massive propaganda he spouts on twitter, tv and a lot of mass media.
    Gawd, Hanermo.. where are you getting YOUR news?

    If what's been going on about three years running now is a "free ride"? I'd hate to think what it might look like if he was not so dearly beloved of the Democratic Socialists, ANTIFA, and other of the various and sundry whiners, haters, and tinfoil-hat conspiracy krew that spend the entirety of their waking hours praising his every move... NOT!

    Why.. somebody might even CRITICIZE .... the beloved angel.. maybe hint he's a racist?

    Nah. No one would do that, would they?


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    Quote Originally Posted by CarbideBob View Post
    Yes to both. . . (He's an asshole. He's effective.) . . .
    Bob
    He's only effective if you take his word for it.

    According to Trump he was worth some $10++ billion. Not so and a trail of failed businesses, except the one (NYC real estate) where he followed his Dad's footsteps.

    His great charity purchased mostly Trump portraits and paid off personal lawsuits.

    He promised Mexico would build a wall - no question. Now the immigration crisis is even worse, perhaps by convincing migrants it's now or never to get in the US??

    He was going to reverse North Korea's and Iran's nuclear ambitions. Now both seem more determined than ever to move ahead and the world is a more dangerous place. Pakistan and Afghanistan, which used to be page one stories, are still a mess.

    He was going to reduce the trade deficit. It's actually increasing, despite the bluster.

    He's a flag-waving patriot and tough guy. Who dodged the draft and kisses up to despots whenever he is face to face.

    He was Time Magazine's Man of the Year. In the cover he had printed himself.

    He's a genius who graduated at the top from Wharton. Except he didn't go to Wharton and he's threatened to sue anyone who discloses his grades as an undergrad at the U. of Pa.

    Since he was sent off to private school, Trump has been using other people's money to make himself look good -- and deride or bully anyone who calls him on it. One might call him a sort of manipulative genius -- driven by narcissism -- but it apparently doesn't extend to any deeper plans than what Trump thinks will work in the moment.

    Times change, but I'm still pretty sure that name calling isn't really the #1 way to make friends and influence people over the long run. Eventually you piss too many people off.

    About his only philosophy of governing seems to be to spite Obama and the press, ever since he was the butt of a (pretty funny) joke at one year's Press Dinner.

    He was going to drain the swamp. His administration is the most corrupt in memory.

    He (Republican Platform, doubled down by him) was going to reinstate Glass-Steagall. Now our too-big-to-fail financial firms are more in control than ever.

    His tax cuts were going to be so successful, they'd wipe out the deficit. Instead, debt is increasing, the rich are getting richer, the middle class is shrinking, and the next bust may well be a doozy.

    He was going to be the infrastructure President and offer the greatest health care plan the world had ever seen. Not a word about infrastructure. We're still spending near 2x per capita other first world nations and not covering all our citizens.

    Take any long term asset the US has built over time (respect for truth, R&D, trusting allies, trusted dollar, clean air, clean water, climate, respect for rule of law, freedom of the press, national forests, stable trade agreements, trust we can repay our debts, our melting pot, friendly ways, a trillion of corporate cash overseas, investment in real science, even room to cut interest rates if there's a recession) and you'll find Trump is grabbing and spending our "inheritance" fast as he can.

    Which has been pretty much is M.O. throughout life. Trump's genius is taking other people's assets and calling them his own - whether spending his Dad's money, cutting his brother out of his dad's will, a dozen failed businesses, screwing students at Trump U., stiffing subcontractors because he's got more lawyers than they do, likely tax fraud, near certain loan fraud and Russian mob money laundering, election fraud, moral fraud, stiffing donors and veterans, and on and on. Used to be Trump looked good on his dad's money. Later he looked good on borrowed and Apprentice money. Now he's using the full faith and credit of the US to borrow from our future.

    He was going to end foreign entanglements. What he's accomplished is pissing of our allies, sowing distrust, and emboldening half a dozen dictators around the world. Putin is playing him. Kim is now a statesman, adding to his nuclear arsenal and long range missiles. Xi is quietly acquiring the world's resources and even allies, while Trump withdraws then blusters. The hardliners in Iran are more in power and more determined than ever to have nukes. Meanwhile our good buddies, the Saudis are dismembering journalists and bombing peasants.

    We do have a booming economy. In part this is a bit like the old saw about being born on 3rd base and being driven home -- and thinking you've hit a home run. Chart most anything (growth, employment) and there's been a fairly straight line since 2008. This has come at the expense of deficit spending under both Obama and Trump. And not everything the Trump administration does is bad -- and several initiatives have good intentions -- but thinking there's some sort of careful thought and planning behind this is belied by all those close to him who have quit and thought him an idiot. These include the guy who wrote his books, his personal lawyer, his parter in slime from the Apprentice days - Omarosa, half a dozen former cabinet officials, and most recently the UK ambassador). This list is already over a year out of date: All the people close to Donald Trump who called him an idiot — Quartz

    Anyhow, Bob, it seems pretty clear there isn't some great master plan in Trump's head -- beyond what he thinks will "play" in the moment. Per his lawyer, his candidacy was based on the incredible PR it would give to the Trump brand name. He never thought he'd govern, never prepared himself (to this day) on the issues. We're getting played, just like defrauded Trump family, subcontractors, lenders, investors, donors, veterans, Trump U. students, and the like. Some may think the economy justifies all this, but we're leaving a bill for debt, destroyed trust, and lost opportunities that our kids may never be able to pay.

    And, yeah, I know the Democrats seem to be falling over themselves to follow Trump's lead with an "any idiot can become President bid." It's still early. Trump might get "primaried" by an experienced conservative --the first Bush President comes to my mind as someone both qualified and with good judgement. The Democrats might find someone both experienced and in the center.

    We surely can find someone with far better judgement and temperament, and a more competent team behind them, to sit up on Mt. Rushmore next to Washington, Jefferson, Lincoln, and (Teddy) Roosevelt.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hanermo View Post
    What I personally most dislike are the soundbites mostly removed from reality and context and facts.

    And dislike the fact the current president mostly gets a free ride on massive propaganda he spouts on twitter, tv and a lot of mass media.
    It is fine for any person, or president, to expose personal views or opinions.

    But lying about clear facts in public,
    as a president, *of the usa*, on say ..

    immigrant court attendace (2% quoted vs 87% real),
    natgas power plant permits (obama permits),
    iran nuke deal costs (0 $ to US, 50B$ global vs 150B$ quoted),
    chinese ag purchases (16 vs 26B$),
    ...
    and never getting any real media pushback, is terrible.

    The fact is that the president of the USA continuously distorts the truth or uses quotes that have no basis in fact.
    This means that the US faith and credit is fast eroding, worldwide.

    People, nations, do not trust that the US stands behind it´s word, commitments.
    Leaving the paris agreement ( of near-zero US economic cost), proves that the US cannot be trusted.
    Leaving the Iran agreement, of positive US costs in reduced military activity.
    Leaving or breaking NAFTA.
    Threatening NATO, Japan defense.
    Threatening US debts aka treasury bonds, as being "negotiable" according to Mr Trump.

    Then the US has started a trade war with china, for no reason understandable.
    China had 2% of their GDP tied into US trade, 2017, and much less in/by mid 2019.
    He does not WORK for YOU! Obama didn't "get" that. DJT does.

    All he had to do?

    Recognize that every OTHER country on-planet had leaders of their OWN ... then expect those leaders to look out for their interests as he looks out for ours.

    That used to be "standard". Most of human history.

    What sort of mindset is it that now deems that unacceptable?

    Next Spanish ballot comes up? Just do not VOTE for DJT. Vote for the other guy.

    Then tell THAT person what you are unhappy about.

    How hard is that?

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    Quote Originally Posted by PeteM View Post
    He's only effective if you take his word for it.
    OK.

    So DON't take his word for it.

    Now what d'you plan to do?

    The fundamental issue is that he did not have, and DOES not have, any viable competition.
    Nor is there any on the horizon.

    Even though... he isn't really a strong entity himself!

    Nobody with good skills and good sense and high morals and a clean record - a "statesman", if you will - actually wants the damned JOB!

    Now what d'you plan to do? "Conscript" a President? Who gets to choose?

    Pick a weak one, (s)he'll fail. Suicide by week three. Or the country will. More slowly.

    It's that f****d-up where they have to operate. Just not LIKE a "regular" Day Job.

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    Quote Originally Posted by thermite View Post
    OK.

    So DON't take his word for it.

    Now what d'you plan to do? . ..
    I've long thought that politics was a catch-up response to what people were already doing in their daily lives, more a lagging than leading indicator. So the first answer is keep doing what I'm doing (helping start ups and running a kids' science program in retirement) at the local level. If the kids are OK, the future is OK.

    That said, given how screwed up politics has become, I've gained a bit of respect -- or maybe concern -- about the impact it can have.

    Having no party preference (California's term for "independent") I don't think it's my job to run for office or participate in smoke-filled rooms. But I do convene a group each election time to go through all the candidates and issues. We end up with maybe a hundred better-informed voters. We could sway a lot more, should a decent candidate show up.

    I also run a couple of once-a-month groups where we dig into social-economic-tech issues. We actually know how to do things like cut health care costs and have dug pretty deeply into everything from the chemistry of climate change and the economics of alternatives, to education reform, and what (not much so far) can be done about mental illness and homelessness. Just yesterday we went through state/local/national debt with the former economics dept. head at the local university. This is a pretty liberal area -- and a lot of liberals got a bit more conservative after that. We sometimes have an impact on the local level.

    Anyhow, someone else is going to have to come up with the candidate I end up voting for. We're still over a year away and this week a few promising developments. First, Trump may actually have some decent opposition. Former governor Weld is in, and Sanford and John Kasich are apparently mulling a run. These guys will likely die on their swords, but they may also bring the Republican Party back toward electing guys more like George H.W. Bush (#41).

    Like many here, I was pretty dismayed by most of the Democrats in the recent debates, each trying to position themselves further left than the others on things like immigration. But, this morning I heard a bit from Montana Governor, Steve Bullock, who just entered the race and has already qualified for the debates. He actually sounded like a sensible centrist whose big issue is one that can make an immediate difference -- getting "dark money" out of politics so politicians respond to citizens' interests and not those of some biggest hidden-money donor. A family member in Montana knows him pretty well - thinks he's terrific. I'll aim to learn more.

    So, could be we'll have someone like a Weld or Kasich as a voice that's at least heard on one side, and someone like a Steve Bullock on the other. One hopes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PeteM View Post
    Could be we'll have someone like a Weld or Kasich as a voice on one side, and someone like a Steve Bullock on the other.
    It would be nice to have an alternative choice.. (registered Independent meself..) but I don't see it happening, nor even close, Ripofflican side, unless DJT has a stroke or sumthin'.

    I meant the Dumbasscraps don't have anyone acceptable to the mass of the voting population with any gravity or breadth of appeal.

    And it IS "their job" to put up an at least HOPEFULLY electable cannibal whenever not the incumbent party.

    Biden, for example, mought once have been seen the "least off putting" even as to getting non-dem votes. But it becomes more apparent at each appearance that he is no longer up for handling the job if he won it. And might not even have been back when he was VP and the proverbial "heartbeat away" from having it.

    "In the land of the blind...." DJT is what we have. We didn't have good alternatives the LAST go, either. Nor the one before.... etc., etc.

    Four more years? We've surely gotten by with worse, and far more than once, so... BFD.

    Got grass to cut, trees to trim, a roof to fix, and other fish to electrocute, yah?

    Oh... BTW..California? SOMETHING should "begin at home...". Government that actually functions, if not charity.

    As with most vets my age, I have had an original and nine booster shots to vaccinate against Typhus. And Bubonic Plague.. and 20 others....

    But those were with the expectation of exposure to Vietnam and battlefield conditions, 52 years ago..

    Not Lost Angeles and NOW!

    LA Now The ‘City Of Rats’? Report Warns Of ‘Alarming Increase’ In Rodent Population – CBS Los Angeles

    Surely there will be excuses. Surely it will be that Pied Piper SOB - DJT - at fault. Whom, ever, else?

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    Quote Originally Posted by hanermo View Post
    the current president mostly gets a free ride
    Quote Originally Posted by thermite View Post
    Gawd, Hanermo.. where are you getting YOUR news?

    That's just funny ritt'there!

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    Quote Originally Posted by thermite View Post

    Yah. He's an arsehole. To one-and-all. Not focused enough to class as a "racist". BFD.
    He's not focused enough to be a racist?

    that's a new one

    oh he's plenty focused, got a whole rally doing racist chants

    I'd say that is focused enough to be a racist

    But he is focused enough to run the country?

    I'd say not

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    Quote Originally Posted by jancollc View Post
    Was there a source cited there somewhere? I must have missed it.
    /url]

    thermite speculatively called into question another posters sources without actually addressing any issues

    typical when one does not have an argument

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    I am somewhat confused with how many are upset that a company, any company, finds ways to avoid paying taxes.

    Seems a lot of you are ok with the way the government spends money and keeps asking for more.

    If you want something, you have to find a way to earn the money. Yet, when the government wants to waste money, they raise taxes and many cheer and blame others for not paying their fair share...

    And yes, the governments waste a lot money and continues to ask for more.

    When you do your taxes, individual and business doesn't it seem like you are paying into a system that is abused by politicians to promote their agenda and become elected? It sure in the hell does to me.

    I wouldn't mind paying taxes if the money was spent responsibly and those that spend the money are held accountable for their request for additional funds requested every year.

    It seems government run entities are in a race to see who gain the most dollars and not lose any funds for the following fiscal year.

    Money, or higher taxes does not fix any problems. Take a look at California and their issues. Mass homelessness. A bullet train that has huge cost and is basically a failure, huge pensions. Free this and free that is what they push, all at your expense.

    And many of you cheer for higher taxes and more spending.

    I don't get it.

    How about spend less vs tax more.


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