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    Interesting the China car likely to be at this years auto show.
    But yes this is a Nov-18 2017 news article...
    Chinese-Made Trumpchi Cars Coming to U.S. in 2019 - The Drive

    GM made in China sold more than in USA.
    General Motors Sold More Cars in China Than in the US (Again) Last Year (NYSE: GM) - 24/7 Wall St.

    GM china electric. I should say China/GM because China has the larger share.
    Baojun E200 - Wikipedia

    China /GM
    Baojun 530 - Wikipedia

    Ford is selling a lot of USA police cars because of giving a 100k miles service agreement..

    It is Understandable that Japan and Germany are still in the car market...They both have a knack for doing things better.

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    Point being the British car industry did not disappear, it makes near as many cars now as it did at its peak

    While no fan of union behavior, unions did not decide to build the mini for 40 years, spitfire for 17, mgb for 17, healey 3000 for 18, midget for 19......




    Quote Originally Posted by Gordon B. Clarke View Post
    "Nearly six million vehicles are produced in Germany each year, and approximately 5.5 million are produced overseas by German brands. Alongside the United States, China and Japan, Germany is one of the top 4 automobile manufacturers in the world."

    1½ million sounds good until compared with other countries.

    I certainly agree with you on mismanagement although as much by the unions as by the company owners.

    World's Top 20 Largest Passenger Car-Producing Countries In 2017 (Million Units)
    China: 24.81 million units.
    Japan: 8.35 million units.
    Germany: 5.65 million units.
    India: 3.95 million units.
    South Korea: 3.74 million units.
    United States: 3.03 million units.
    Spain: 2.29 million units.
    Brazil: 2.27 million units.

    I must admit that surprised me quite a bit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gustafson View Post
    Point being the British car industry did not disappear, it makes near as many cars now as it did at its peak

    While no fan of union behavior, unions did not decide to build the mini for 40 years, spitfire for 17, mgb for 17, healey 3000 for 18, midget for 19......
    I don't think anyone has written that Britain no longer makes cars. The "peak" mentioned was 50 years ago.

    The last British made car I had was over 40 years ago and an Austin Maxi. Plenty of space for its size but not much else nice I can say. Had it for less than a year.

    Back in Scotland I worked very close to a car manufacturing plant. Hillman Imp. Great expectations that turned into disaster.

    The story of the Hillman Imp, Scotland’s answer to the Mini - The Scotsman

    Very rarely ever was a work week the norm. Constant strikes. Management? Unions? Take your pick.

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    Quote Originally Posted by michiganbuck View Post
    Interesting the China car likely to be at this years auto show.
    But yes this is a Nov-18 2017 news article...
    Chinese-Made Trumpchi Cars Coming to U.S. in 2019 - The Drive

    GM made in China sold more than in USA.
    General Motors Sold More Cars in China Than in the US (Again) Last Year (NYSE: GM) - 24/7 Wall St.

    ....
    Only a matter of time on point one.
    On point two there are just too many people in China and in a very much changing economy.
    Maybe we should have a government push to make more babies here or allow others in so we could have more consumers giving us a bigger base to compete.
    Bob

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gordon B. Clarke View Post
    I don't think anyone has written that Britain no longer makes cars.
    [/QUOTE]
    Quote Originally Posted by EmanuelGoldstein View Post
    England disappeared as a car manufacturer because the cheapskates insisted on bolting 237 pieces together when a single stamping would have not rattled apart after five years.)
    Damn do try to keep up, I did quote it in my post

    Quote Originally Posted by Gordon B. Clarke View Post

    Very rarely ever was a work week the norm. Constant strikes. Management? Unions? Take your pick.
    I pick management, if they showed up and worked for sixpence they could not have sold 20 year old non updated designs

    They were running generators up till 1980

    generators

    That is not the unions fault

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    Maybe we should just blame Jeremy Clarkson for sinking Austin Rover and move on.Anyhoo.shortly every new car sold will be Chinese EV....they cant be frozen out of the markets on hokey emissions claims......now if only they could stop making the seat covers out of asbestos cloth.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gordon B. Clarke View Post
    World's Top 20 Largest Passenger Car-Producing Countries In 2017 (Million Units)
    China: 24.81 million units.
    Japan: 8.35 million units.
    Germany: 5.65 million units.
    India: 3.95 million units.
    South Korea: 3.74 million units.
    United States: 3.03 million units.
    Spain: 2.29 million units.
    Brazil: 2.27 million units.
    They should add pickup trucks to the US total. It's the car for fatsos

    And yeah, gus ... one anda half million, woo hoo ! Now we're talkin' Dodge Charger ! Look out, Greenland, the UK is on a roll !

    (Where's Italy in them numbers, btw ? I bet they wallop the UK in autos as well.)

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    Quote Originally Posted by EmanuelGoldstein View Post
    (Where's Italy in them numbers, btw ? I bet they wallop the UK in autos as well.)
    Italy? Just over 2 million in 2018. 4th largest in Europe.

    UK? Which cars are actually made in the UK? - Car Keys

    This probably surprises most.

    Slovakia still tops in per capita car production - spectator.sme.sk

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    Quote Originally Posted by EmanuelGoldstein View Post

    And yeah, gus ... one anda half million, woo hoo ! Now we're talkin' Dodge Charger ! Look out, Greenland, the UK is on a roll !

    They never made 2 million at their peak
    so your point is, as usual, BS


    and dodge charger production, 10 percent of that

    again, go buy a point

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    I pick management, if they showed up and worked for sixpence they could not have sold 20 year old non updated designs

    They were running generators up till 1980

    generators

    That is not the unions fault[/QUOTE]


    Both.
    Apathy kills a company and it was riddled into the industry.
    Look at the motorcycle industry too.

    "We aint gunna buy no Jap crap".
    Hmmm...

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    Quote Originally Posted by gustafson View Post
    They never made 2 million at their peak
    so your point is, as usual, BS
    You're right, my point was Amero-Centric. That's because I am not an illegal alien. The family's been in north america since before there was a US. It's what I know.

    And I know that at one time England exported a lot of cars to the US. Jaguar, Rover, Austin-Healey, Triumph, MG, even a few Daimlers and some I've forgotten. The Daimler SP 250 had a cool little V8. And the GT6 Spitfire was a cute little thing, really hot blonde girl I knew had one. Really hot.

    Then they disappeared, mostly because the parts rattled then fell off. People liked the cars but how many times can you stop in traffic to run back and retrieve your passenger side door before you give up ? The damned hood on my Arnolt-Bristol flew up in the air and landed behind me once. Luckily no big dents and it went back on easy. (Admittedly the body was built in Italy but final assembly was Brit. Since they put the engine in, I'm gonna blame them for being last in line to attach the hinges.)

    and dodge charger production, 10 percent of that
    What're you, a foreigner ? Try to get with the program, Gomer. Maybe you can look on youtube for some old teevee shows or something. Start with fine corinthian leather.

    again, go buy a point
    Like the one on your head ? No thanks

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    Quote Originally Posted by barbter View Post
    I pick management, if they showed up and worked for sixpence they could not have sold 20 year old non updated designs

    They were running generators up till 1980

    generators

    That is not the unions fault

    Both.
    Apathy kills a company and it was riddled into the industry.
    Look at the motorcycle industry too.
    [/QUOTE]

    absolutely, both union and management in that era in the UK were notoriously bad

    The case simply was not the UK putting out competitive quality vehicles and the unions striking them into oblivion

    They designed cars in 1959 and made them until years after no one wanted them.

    The Japanese made a mess of everyone's motorcycle industry. I mean, Japanese cars were better, but their motorcycles were far and away better than anything the US or UK made at the time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by EmanuelGoldstein View Post
    You're right, my point was Amero-Centric. That's because I am not an illegal alien. The family's been in north america since before there was a US. It's what I know.

    And I know that at one time England exported a lot of cars to the US. Jaguar, Rover, Austin-Healey, MG, even a few Daimlers and some I've forgotten. The Daimler SP 250 had a cool little V8.

    Then they disappeared, mostly because the parts rattled, then fell off. People liked them but how many times can you stop in traffic to run back and retrieve your passenger side door before you give up ?


    What're you, a foreigner ? Try to get with the program, Gomer. Maybe you can look on youtube for some old teevee shows or something. Start with fine corinthian leather.


    Like the one on your head ? No thanks
    That's what I like about you,no hint of exaggeration.

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    Quote Originally Posted by EmanuelGoldstein View Post
    You're right, my point was Amero-Centric.
    so you finally admit you have no idea what you are talking about

    and how long have you been in China...........

    again, go buy a point,

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    Market looking for the Tesla pickup truck news release:

    Tesla Cybertruck: all the news about Elon Musk’s pickup truck - The Verge

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    Will Fords entry make a difference? Yes it is not really a Mustang but....
    Theirs and GMs trucks also coming. soon in my guess.
    Once the elephants begin to do battle....
    Bob

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    Quote Originally Posted by CarbideBob View Post
    Will Fords entry make a difference? Yes it is not really a Mustang but....
    Theirs and GMs trucks also coming. soon in my guess.
    Once the elephants begin to do battle....
    Bob
    The Dealers Association has been trying to put the brakes on BEV’s (& Tesla) for a while but the genie is already out of the bottle. VW was first to announce there wasn’t any more money budgeted for ICE’s....now GM & Ford are getting in the game. The only thing that will set an auto maker apart will be pricing and how they bend their aluminum or sheet metal. In terms of quality, all of them should be close equal.

    You’ll still need stampings but what about all the tooling, fixtures, machines needed for the engines/drivetrains or the jobs lost at the dealer level, big oil or the service sector? It doesn’t matter if it’s 15-20yrs out but going forward, BEV’s are a disruptive technology in terms of jobs.... 40%-50% less labor & fewer parts to build the vehicles. For our area, it’s crazy to think where all these people are going to work.

    Andy

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    Quote Originally Posted by gustafson View Post
    Both.
    Apathy kills a company and it was riddled into the industry.
    Look at the motorcycle industry too.
    absolutely, both union and management in that era in the UK were notoriously bad

    The case simply was not the UK putting out competitive quality vehicles and the unions striking them into oblivion

    They designed cars in 1959 and made them until years after no one wanted them.

    The Japanese made a mess of everyone's motorcycle industry. I mean, Japanese cars were better, but their motorcycles were far and away better than anything the US or UK made at the time.[/QUOTE]


    My 1968 MG B had an alternator, the first year for it. Pretty sure everything else got them that year.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tdmidget View Post


    My 1968 MG B had an alternator, the first year for it. Pretty sure everything else got them that year.
    nope

    at least till 70 and some small production cars may have had them into the mid 70's, not quite 1980 so, anyway...

    68 was big change year for the B

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    Alternators were a quarter the price of a generator and regulator.Anyhoo ,there was nothing wrong with Lucas generators .They were a quality item ,and many are still running sixty or more years later with no more attention than a drop of oil each year.In my experience ,the various alternators were rubbish ,throw away items ,with needle bearings in cheap pressed races running direct on shafts.


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