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    Right so I am definitely going to panic about how converting to power sources that have no fuel cost is going to make us poorer

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    So was someone else here posting that the Global Footprint Network is a source of some distinction?

    See, usually it is you posting info from the right wing fascist network as if it were fact, and ignoring all proof to the contrary, so now you are taking the middleman out and and arguing the left wing fringe's points for them?

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    Quote Originally Posted by gustafson View Post
    So was someone else here posting that the Global Footprint Network is a source of some distinction?

    See, usually it is you posting info from the right wing fascist network as if it were fact, and ignoring all proof to the contrary, so now you are taking the middleman out and and arguing the left wing fringe's points for them?
    Pull your head out of your ass.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CAMasochism View Post
    Pull your head out of your ass.
    SO very convincing and concise

    you must have been head of the debate team in kindergarten

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    Quote Originally Posted by Scottl View Post
    Get the picture? Climate change is about converting the globe to socialism, with drastic reductions in standard of living and personal freedoms. Still think it's about the environment?
    Get help or change your medication. You're paranoid. Who's forcing you (you personally) to do anything?

    As long as you live in "The Land Of The Free" you should be able to do what you want. You can watch other countries get poorer and poorer.

    Hmm they aren't, are they?

    Which countries have best standard of living?

    Seven European countries are ranked in the top 10, and 13 from the continent rank in the top 20. Sweden, Denmark and Norway immediately follow Canada, with Switzerland, Finland, Australia, the Netherlands, New Zealand and Germany also finishing in the top 10.

    I'm sure you can find one you like better than this.
    Standard of living in the United States - Wikipedia

    The USA is great - if you have money and good health.

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    but but but socialism is evil

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    and many of those same 'socialist' countries rank higher on the social mobility scale

    Prosperity & Upward Mobility by Country
    [i dunno who these people are but it was the nicest looking graph]

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    Quote Originally Posted by gustafson View Post
    SO very convincing and concise

    you must have been head of the debate team in kindergarten
    You aren't worth debating. You're barely worth the time to screw with. You are a mad fanatical cultist. You believe that you alone have the answers and only you can deem what is good and bad. You are worse than my deep south Baptist relatives.



    There is only one god and Politically Correct is it's name and gustafson is it's prophet. Kneel and submit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CAMasochism View Post
    You aren't worth debating. You're barely worth the time to screw with. You are a mad fanatical cultist. You believe that you alone have the answers and only you can deem what is good and bad. You are worse than my deep south Baptist relatives.



    There is only one god and Politically Correct is it's name and gustafson is it's prophet. Kneel and submit.
    Sort of like trying to teach a squirrel calculas.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ziggy2 View Post
    Sort of like trying to teach a squirrel calculas.
    I was taught that arguing with an idiot (not calling anyone here an idiot) is like teaching a pigeon to play chess... No matter what happens, the bird will crap all over the board and strut around like it's winning....

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    Back to the topic I like the electric tower crane that stacks concrete blocks to store energy. After more thought it could be built at the bottom of a tall canyon. Or simply build an electric railroad with a storage yard on top of a mountain and another storage area at the base.
    Unlike pumped hydro no leaks or flooding if it breaks.
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    Swiss startup Energy Vault is stacking concrete blocks to store energy — Quartz

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    Kaiser had a idea to build a giant conveyor belt dumping into San Francisco bay. He would quarry rock from the hills around and sell the power generated as it filled in all of the bay with rock and mud. The he would sell the new land.
    For some reason the Navy did not like the idea of losing the best natural harbour in the world.
    This proposal was actually serious enough to start the save the environment movement in the USA. The navy had some input on the Golden Gate Bridge because of concerns that if was bombed it could fall and block the harbor for a long time during a war.
    Today aircraft carriers have to hinge down their antennas to go under it. which is only done at low tide. I woulkd guess that was not a problem in the 1930's when it was built.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bill D View Post
    Back to the topic I like the electric tower crane that stacks concrete blocks to store energy. After more thought it could be built at the bottom of a tall canyon. Or simply build an electric railroad with a storage yard on top of a mountain and another storage area at the base.
    Unlike pumped hydro no leaks or flooding if it breaks.
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    Sounds like another technological boondoggle to accommodate intermittent sources. How many of these 400 foot eyesores would need to dot the landscape to stabilize the U.S. grid?

    More importantly, how much energy must be used to mine the limestone and bake it to make the concrete? How much energy to transport it? Would the entire process be all-electric?

    Pumped hydro, where it can be used, is at least an efficient and simple process.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bill D View Post
    Back to the topic I like the electric tower crane that stacks concrete blocks to store energy.
    Wonder how much CO2 they released making all those concrete blocks, lol.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bill D View Post
    Kaiser had a idea to build a giant conveyor belt dumping into San Francisco bay. He would quarry rock from the hills around and sell the power generated as it filled in all of the bay with rock and mud. The he would sell the new land.
    Reminds me of a construction company in New York I used to do business with.

    They were excavating a city block in lower Manhattan for a new hi-rise. Blue granite- hard as hell. They'd remove the rock on the construction site and sell it back to the city, lining the banks of the Hudson to combat erosion.

    Pretty good gig- they got paid to remove it, then got paid again to get rid of it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gustafson View Post
    but but but socialism is evil
    What I always find amusing is how some members regard me as left wing. To some things I probably am but in others I'm right wing. It isn't easy to put me in a box with a label on it.

    I am though by all living here that know me regarded as VERY right wing with most of my views.

    I don't get why some here in PM feel everybody must be one or the other. OTOH it makes "the silent majority" silent for a reason. Nigh on impossible to discuss with a fanatic.

    Q: What is the difference between capitalism and socialism?

    A: In a capitalist society, man exploits man, and in a socialist one, it’s the other way around.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gordon B. Clarke View Post
    Get help or change your medication. You're paranoid. Who's forcing you (you personally) to do anything?

    As long as you live in "The Land Of The Free" you should be able to do what you want. You can watch other countries get poorer and poorer.

    Hmm they aren't, are they?

    Which countries have best standard of living?

    Seven European countries are ranked in the top 10, and 13 from the continent rank in the top 20. Sweden, Denmark and Norway immediately follow Canada, with Switzerland, Finland, Australia, the Netherlands, New Zealand and Germany also finishing in the top 10.

    I'm sure you can find one you like better than this.
    Standard of living in the United States - Wikipedia

    The USA is great - if you have money and good health.
    The USA is actually still pretty damn good for a lot of ordinary people.

    We have some problems, many of them brought on by people with "good" ideas that turned out to have terrible consequences but most Americans wouldn't trade their life here for elsewhere.

    That Wikipedia article you linked to actually said "The standard of living in the United States is high by the standards that most economists use", but then gigged us for "income inequality". One of the reasons for this inequality is the ability for ordinary people to thrive and prosper, which raises their income above averages. We have more than a few U.S. millionaires here on PM, and dollars to donuts few of them inherited it but instead earned it through hard work and effort.

    The down side of the much sought after "income equality" touted by Europeans and Americans with a socialist bent is that in order to equalize income you necessarily have to limit the potential at the top. Historically many immigrants came here seeking to get away from that artificial limitation in their home societies. It's called The American Dream and it still exists.

    16 Wildly Successful People Who Overcame Huge Obstacles To Get There | HuffPost Life

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    Quote Originally Posted by Scottl View Post
    The USA is actually still pretty damn good for a lot of ordinary people.

    We have some problems, many of them brought on by people with "good" ideas that turned out to have terrible consequences but most Americans wouldn't trade their life here for elsewhere.
    Od course the USA is actually still pretty damn good for a lot of ordinary people. I don't think anyone has ever claimed anything else.

    I also agree with "most Americans wouldn't trade their life here for elsewhere."

    You obviously like what you have and I certainly like what I have so neither of us will be going to another country to live.

    What I do like to do is go to other countries (not sure how many but more than 60) and even the countries I've liked most I'm never sorry to get home.

    A bit of sarcasm. If you want to see poverty look at this

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bill D View Post
    Back to the topic I like the electric tower crane that stacks concrete blocks to store energy. After more thought it could be built at the bottom of a tall canyon. Or simply build an electric railroad with a storage yard on top of a mountain and another storage area at the base.
    Unlike pumped hydro no leaks or flooding if it breaks.
    Bill D

    Swiss startup Energy Vault is stacking concrete blocks to store energy — Quartz
    35000kg lifted to average height of 60 meters is only 20.6 MJ or 5.7 kWh. The 20 MWh capacity quoted would need 3500 of those 35 ton concrete blocks.
    So it would need 122500 tons of weights. Sounds like helluva lot but on the other hand its "only" about half of the capacity of largest container ships.


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