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    Quote Originally Posted by motion guru View Post

    The electric car is here to stay and Tesla has played no small part in providing market leadership in getting the technology out there...
    You can always tell the pioneers... they're the guys laying face down in the dirt with arrows sticking out of them.

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    I dont own an electric car, got no horse in this race- but-
    I would point out, amidst all this talk of Tesla going bankrupt somehow- Both GM and Chrysler DID go bankrupt already.
    And, somehow, are both still in business.
    With so many countries announcing they will be phasing out IC cars, I would think the probable future would be more along the lines of Tesla picking up one of the big 3, not the other way around...

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    And yet Tesla introduces their new concept for a car.
    A weird fuel called gasoline.... I'm so confused....not.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CarbideBob View Post
    And yet Tesla introduces their new concept for a car.
    A weird fuel called gasoline.... I'm so confused....not.
    Bob
    Ah yes, the Fortune Magazine article ... I'll save everyone some time, and just quote the last bit here:

    “'When it comes to my car, it’s gotta be two things: American and gas-powered,' said one customer who pre-ordered a Model T. 'But Tesla’s cars run on electricity, which I didn’t know when I bought one. Each week I end up buying gallons of gas that I can’t even use. I just pour it all down the drain. Once I have a Model T, I can stop doing that.'

    Tesla noted that all pre-order sales are final, and that it will not issue refunds if legislation banning gas-powered vehicles is signed before 2022.

    For more satire from Fortune, click here."

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    2018 passenger car sales were at 5,488,181 units with EVs at 363,301 units. Of those EV sales 139,782 were Tesla Model 3s. Growth of the EV market was significant in 2018. Projections of the future U.S. passenger car fleet percentage of EVs vary widely with the most bullish projection being that EVs would be more than 50% of the vehicles on the road by 2040.

    USA - Flash report, Sales volume, 2018 - MarkLines Automotive Industry Portal
    US Electric Vehicle Sales Increased by 81% in 2018 | Greentech Media
    Electric vehicle sales to surpass gas-powered cars by 2040, says new report - Electrek

    Some starry eyed enthusiasts think EVs will dominate the market in the not too distant future but not everyone agrees. Many analysts figure the IC engine vehicle will still be with us for decades to come. My personal bet is that hybrids will eventually dominate the market, with a certain percentage of them having plug-in capability.

    The Internal Combustion Engine Will Survive Us All

    The Internal Combustion Engine Is Not Dead Yet - The New York Times

    http://www.bbc.com/future/story/2012...er-give-up-gas

    https://www.businessinsider.com/why-...ic-cars-2017-5

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    I was surprised to find the tesla's do not have a onboard 120 volt outlet. I was not really surprised to find they have no connections for arc welding leads.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Scottl View Post
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    Some starry eyed enthusiasts think EVs will dominate the market in the not too distant future but not everyone agrees.
    Yet those that run GM and Ford are placing their bets in very big dollars, good bet or failed will be seen.
    First in historically is never good.
    Personal computers, Altiar and IMSAI the pet or OSI and I'd have to list Sinclair in here. All gone. All with great advancements and each with tech advantages that many thought this will win and be the killer.
    They all made money for a bit, they all went away.
    Apple being the very weird one out of this batch.
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    Anything can happen. Even driving dogs.

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=BWAK0J8Uhzk

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    Quote Originally Posted by Trueturning View Post
    Anything can happen. Even driving dogs.
    Old news


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    This looks interesting, tesla might have some real competeition from a guy in Croatia, faster car, longer range...
    'Croatian Elon Musk' Unleashes 256 MPH Electric Hypercar With Nearly 2,000 Horsepower, Insane 0-60 | Zero Hedge

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rob F. View Post
    This looks interesting, tesla might have some real competeition from a guy in Croatia, faster car, longer range...
    'Croatian Elon Musk' Unleashes 256 MPH Electric Hypercar With Nearly 2,000 Horsepower, Insane 0-60 | Zero Hedge
    I doubt that outright.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Trueturning View Post
    I doubt that outright.
    Maybe you can explain your thinking?

    From wiki link below:

    "Jonathan Lopez of Top Speed magazine acclaimed the C_Two stating that "it is an absolute game changer, and not just in the EV segment. Between the onboard tech and mind-boggling performance specs, this machine has the goods to take on the best of the best.""

    some more links:

    Rimac Automobili C_Two hypercar — A car alive with technology.

    Rimac C_Two: 1914 HP and a 1.85-Second 0-60 Time

    2020 Rimac C_Two Review, Trims, Specs and Price | CarBuzz

    Rimac C Two - Wikipedia

    https://www.topspeed.com/cars/rimac-...-ar179059.html

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rob F. View Post
    Maybe you can explain your thinking?

    From wiki link below:

    "Jonathan Lopez of Top Speed magazine acclaimed the C_Two stating that "it is an absolute game changer, and not just in the EV segment. Between the onboard tech and mind-boggling performance specs, this machine has the goods to take on the best of the best.""

    some more links:

    Rimac Automobili C_Two hypercar — A car alive with technology.

    Rimac C_Two: 1914 HP and a 1.85-Second 0-60 Time


    2020 Rimac C_Two Review, Trims, Specs and Price | CarBuzz

    Rimac C Two - Wikipedia

    https://www.topspeed.com/cars/rimac-...-ar179059.html
    It certainly sounds impressive and more importantly he seems unconcerned if other firms use his "old" technology, thereby potentially advancing the general art of not only BEVs but also possibly hybrids.

    As I've said before, I don't expect pure EVs to dominate the personal transportation market in my lifetime due to infrastructure issues, but I expect their numbers will eventually increase along with the better suited to today's world hybrids.

    Improvements in batteries, power electronics, and charging would benefit both.

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    At $2 million prictag it wont be a common sight anytime soon, but the tech seems pretty cutting edge.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hanermo View Post
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    The US, and China, are at about 1% of all new NEVs in new vehicles sold.
    I returned from a visit to China a couple of weeks ago. In the cities I visited (Chongqing, Guilin and Guangzhou) I was very surprised at how many Chinese produced electrical cars (including taxis) I saw. At a guess about 20% of all cars on the road.

    Electric vehicle industry in China - Wikipedia

    Even something as simple as bicycles. Over half on the roads in cities are electric. I asked how much an electric bike cost and was told from $150 to $300 depending on how good you wanted. Here (Denmark) prices start at over $1,000 for the cheapest electrical bike.

    Driving in China seems to be like driving Dodgem cars except trying to avoid others is the rule. As far as I could tell the only rule

    YouTube

    YouTube

    Far too many used their hand held phone and also texted while driving.

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    Who else is coming close?

    YouTube

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    The Chinese will own the world by 2050.Most of it anyway.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CarbideBob View Post
    Personal computers, Altiar and IMSAI the pet or OSI and I'd have to list Sinclair in here. All gone.
    Bob, what Sinclair would that be? There's a Sinclair station within a mile, and the Sinclair refinery across town seems to be doing well (our Amoco and Texaco refineries shut down years ago). Was there a Sinclair brand of portable phones or something I missed?

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    Oh yeah, the Timex Sinclair... I had a buddy with one!!!

    My brother-in-law in California has a Telsa... well... had. It's currently dead... With all the power outages there the last several weeks, they had no way to charge it. Apparently, something went wrong, and the battery is now bad... so he's been a bit disappointed, and very quiet about it. His wife's Subaru Outback is doing fine, though...

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