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    Quote Originally Posted by CarbideBob View Post
    That is an interesting view or review of Teslas.
    I'm not a fan by any measure but have not seen this type information or feedback.
    My experience is limited.
    Bob
    Yea, mine too. This is the only one I've had the displeasure to be in/around. But:
    The weatherstripping was a joke. It looked like it was cut with tin-snips. And, it was evident in the amount of wind-noise at 60mph.
    And, it was a rattle-trap. Maybe this seemed amplified because the drive-train was so quiet? IDK? But, it felt like a POS to me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by digger doug View Post

    500 hp applied would wrap my truck clear around the telephone
    pole I'm trying to avoid....
    And all those computers, senors and bs keep you from doing such.
    Is that bad?
    Can we protect no drive people and still have a drive hard vehicle?
    My wife is very aggressive too the point of stupid on many moving machines.
    Love her to death but, no, do not do that and yes it is your fault. A discussion best ran away from.
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    Traction control is trivial when you have a motor that has a torque curve that looks like this: -----------

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    I would think traction controll would be essential in a system with a motor driving each wheel.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wheelieking71 View Post
    But, pushing electric vehicles because they produce no emissions, and they are "environment friendly" is just bullshit!
    I have no way to qualify this statement, but in the past I hated winter in Shanghai with a passion. No matter what, I'd get this hacking cough, spitting up black stuff, that lasted for weeks,

    Over the past two years diesel trucks have been cut way back, many old buses replaced with new electrics, the proportion of electric cars is now really high and growing.

    I have not had that cough yet this winter, and we haven't had one day when you couldn't see across the street.

    So I'm not ready to say that electric cars have no positive effect on the environment.

    (Before you say, "You could get the same effect with modern emissions controls", China as a mass-auto country has never not had modern emissions controls. The entire car business here has grown up since the advent of emissions controls. When China had leaded gasoline and smoke-spewing Borgwards, there were only three cars in the country.)

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    Quote Originally Posted by EmanuelGoldstein View Post
    I have no way to qualify this statement, but in the past I hated winter in Shanghai with a passion. No matter what, I'd get this hacking cough, spitting up black stuff, that lasted for weeks,

    Over the past two years diesel trucks have been cut way back, many old buses replaced with new electrics, the proportion of electric cars is now really high and growing.

    I have not had that cough yet this winter, and we haven't had one day when you couldn't see across the street.
    I think without doubt, we all realise that diesel being a heavy oil, is shit in populated areas.
    And without doubt in populated areas, the air needs a clean up.

    But what titzizz me off, is like London for instance - being charged to go in there if you don't have the correct E number vehicle?
    You should be either allowed in, or not. Not just taxed for visiting - that's BS.

    And not to change the tact but it really fooks me off where the global warming brigade jump on localised city air quality - which is pollution.
    Yes clean up pollution - i'm all for that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kustomizingkid View Post
    Traction control is trivial when you have a motor that has a torque curve that looks like this: -----------
    Not really. On my supercharged Buick I described earlier the traction control overrode the throttle as soon as it detected wheel spin. The result was a brief tire chirp followed by controllable driving. When switched off the result was lots of smoke. On rainy days it was very helpful and on ice it was a blessing.

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    re: traction control
    huge variance in how they work and how much I like them.
    Truck has brake only and I like it
    Have had cars with throttle control and hated it, trying to get out of an uphill intersection in slush with traffic coming, and it cuts the throttle to a crawl....no thank you.
    Throttle control traction control is great for dry pavement

    Last year I had a bad ABS sensor and no time to fix it, no ABS, TC, or 4WD, first time in over 25 year driving an un assisted RWD car in the winter. YEE HAH!

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    I have been just barely following but it looks like the Space X launch system is a go for this spring.
    Fifty years from now- The Jetsons?

    Funny how Musk attracts so much ire.
    Silly guy standing in front of that silly truck is also standing in front of the worlds first private space launch vehicle.
    What’s said.
    It’s hard to argue with success..

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    Dragon | SpaceX

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    Quote Originally Posted by Scottl View Post
    Not really. On my supercharged Buick I described earlier the traction control overrode the throttle as soon as it detected wheel spin. The result was a brief tire chirp followed by controllable driving. When switched off the result was lots of smoke. On rainy days it was very helpful and on ice it was a blessing.
    It's not "controllable" when it drops the throttle to an idle because the conditions are qty (1) wheel slips.
    Least tractive tire get's throttle priority ? Unworkable.

    I turn off traction control every time I get in the truck.

    Real World Conditions demand allowing throttle even though 1 or more tires are in fact spinning/slipping.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Scottl View Post
    When switched off the result was lots of smoke.
    Lift your right foot

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    Quote Originally Posted by digger doug View Post
    Yup, dark and stormy night, trying to drive slowly down a hilly road, raining on the ice.
    If you stop and get out, when you slam the door you'll fall right on your ass.

    Been in these conditions many times.

    500 hp applied would wrap my truck clear around the telephone
    pole I'm trying to avoid....

    And the computer in the car will detect the slippage and reduce/modulate power far faster and better than our human wetware could.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TeachMePlease View Post
    And the computer in the car will detect the slippage and reduce/modulate power far faster and better than our human wetware could.
    Please re-read post #311.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wheelieking71 View Post
    Yea, mine too. This is the only one I've had the displeasure to be in/around. But:
    The weatherstripping was a joke. It looked like it was cut with tin-snips. And, it was evident in the amount of wind-noise at 60mph.
    And, it was a rattle-trap. Maybe this seemed amplified because the drive-train was so quiet? IDK? But, it felt like a POS to me.

    Which model, and how old?

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    Quote Originally Posted by TeachMePlease View Post
    And the computer in the car will detect the slippage and reduce/modulate power far faster and better than our human wetware could.
    You've never seen Billy Boat on a sloppy track ! Damn, that guy is good.

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    I thought the tesla plant was literally a circus. As in it is built inside big tent.
    Do they have to pay the Tesla family royalties? AFAIK there is no relation to Nicola other then they use ac motors for propulsion.
    Bill D

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    This thread positively begs for this:
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    Quote Originally Posted by gustafson View Post
    re: traction control
    huge variance in how they work and how much I like them.
    Truck has brake only and I like it
    Have had cars with throttle control and hated it, trying to get out of an uphill intersection in slush with traffic coming, and it cuts the throttle to a crawl....no thank you.
    Throttle control traction control is great for dry pavement

    Last year I had a bad ABS sensor and no time to fix it, no ABS, TC, or 4WD, first time in over 25 year driving an un assisted RWD car in the winter. YEE HAH!
    Perhaps throttle control was not the best term to use. The traction control did apply the brakes but also signaled the engine control to cut boost, which had the same effect as reducing throttle.

    Here is what it looks like (with a moron at the wheel) when deliberately switched off to "play".

    YouTube

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    Quote Originally Posted by CarbideBob View Post
    No.
    So have you driven many high HP cars with a open diff? Why would you want a "posi" out back?
    Now we sense each wheel and it's movement to the car forward.
    Winter car normal driving and summer race go fast is so very different also..
    Bob
    I'm not going to start a big argument but I have a friend that works there and have had dinner with him and some of the powertrain engineers there and they all say the same thing. The reaction time and lack of variability in the torque curve make traction control much easier than a gasoline car. But hey, what do they know, they just work there.

    I also watched a friend bracket race his and run 11.31-11.32 every run, run after run after run.


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