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    KC plant.

    https://www.bizjournals.com/kansasci...-for-sale.html

    edit: Mud beat me to it...

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    might have nothing to do with it but in China electric bikes are becoming very popular.
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    sometimes its hard for manufacturers to modernize cause investments in new technology can be more can they can afford. that is hugh companies often combined from many smaller companies can pool resources. smaller companies have limited options.
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    Kodak closed photographic picture making buildings not cause of direct competition but more every cell phone and ipad like tablet acting as camera and picture viewer was making the old machines and ways obsolete. not like it was going to get into the cell phone business.

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    A friend just got back from a vacation in China. He says electric vehicles are all over. They are identified by different colored license plates.

    Our steel industry took a hit like Kodak's when we subsidized new steel mills in other countries, foreign aid and all that. The problem was that the new mills were built to the state of the art while ours were from the early 20th century.

    How's your Polaroid stock doing? How about stock in a slide rule company or maybe radio tube manufacturing.

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    How much Chinese content on H-D products ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by 9100 View Post

    Our steel industry took a hit like Kodak's when we subsidized new steel mills in other countries, foreign aid and all that. The problem was that the new mills were built to the state of the art while ours were from the early 20th century.



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    Steel companies failed to modernize. They chose not to because they had a virtual monopoly. Corporate officers got bonuses, stockholders got payouts, plants rotted

    the things you mention are relevant, but I do not believe they are the majority of the reason for the problems with US companies

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    Quote Originally Posted by gustafson View Post
    Steel companies failed to modernize. They chose not to because they had a virtual monopoly. Corporate officers got bonuses, stockholders got payouts, plants rotted
    Nope......
    Taxes, real estate, inventory, machinery and facilities. State and local taxes milking the cash cow.

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    Break out your leathers and put the old lady on the back like a true American badass.

    Harley-Davidson's latest electric bikes are designed for modern-day riders

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    Probably the same thing at Harley as at Carrier. They can get things made cheaper overseas and don't care about things like made in USA. Incidentally, I have owned a Harley since 97 and there were already plenty of imported parts on them back then too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gobo View Post
    They build garbage. They can't compete with other, better products and thusly, deserve extinction.
    I don't know where you get your information but I have only had one problem with my Harley in the 22 years that I have been riding it. The board for the old style fuel injection went bad. It was the very early years of fuel injection on Harleys.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kustomizingkid View Post
    Break out your leathers and put the old lady on the back like a true American badass.

    Harley-Davidson's latest electric bikes are designed for modern-day riders
    I'm sure if it does more than 10MPH it needs registration, road tax, lights, brake light, insurance, crash helmet blah blah blah...

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    Estimated 110 miles of range for $29,799. 2020 Harley-Davidson LiveWire price, range, and speed - RevZilla

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    Quote Originally Posted by jhruska View Post
    Nope......
    Taxes, real estate, inventory, machinery and facilities. State and local taxes milking the cash cow.
    As fun as it is to blame everything bad on the gov't, mis management is the larger issue

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    Quote Originally Posted by Big B View Post
    I don't know where you get your information but I have only had one problem with my Harley in the 22 years that I have been riding it. The board for the old style fuel injection went bad. It was the very early years of fuel injection on Harleys.
    I don't think he was talking about Harley, they have been making pretty good stuff for some time now

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    Quote Originally Posted by bucktruck View Post
    Did the tariffs have anything to do with the closure or was this planned before they were announced?

    (Sorry mods if this encroaches on the now disallowed adult-like conversation)
    H-D announced the closure of the KC plant on January 2018.

    Trump announced the tariffs March 2018.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Big B View Post
    I don't know where you get your information but I have only had one problem with my Harley in the 22 years that I have been riding it. The board for the old style fuel injection went bad. It was the very early years of fuel injection on Harleys.
    Agree. I've got an '09 Ultra. It's like riding a Lazy-Boy down the highway, lol. Most comfortable bike I've ever owned and not one problem in the time I have had it.

    If you like chrome plated plastic, buy a jap bike. If you like your chrome to have metal underneath, buy a Harley.

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    Somewhat off topic but maybe not. I just purchased a motorcycle from an American company. Janus Motorcycles in Goshen, Indiana. All parts except the motor are sourced within 20 miles of Goshen. The frame, fenders, leather work and most of the other parts are made by Amish craftsman. The motor (GASP) is from China. But these motors have been used for decades and is a close relative to the Honda 250cc. They are used all over the world in some of the harshest conditions. So, because of that, I'm not sure I mind. Hand built to order. I couldn't resist the classic looks of this bike. So I invested in an American Company that is trying to keep the American manufacturing thing going.

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    That's a neat looking bike! What's the price tag on one?

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    Not that I have much love for Fastenal, But I wonder how they feel with all those consignment bins with hardware getting auctioned off.


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