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    Quote Originally Posted by thermite View Post
    Translating all that to indicate that you have found yourself on a planet not of your choosing?
    You are the very last, not penultimate, but LAST person to ever lay claim to another needing "translation".

    Sophist, Nihilist, and without insight. No wonder you call DJT "kin".

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    Being solutions oriented often helps a lot. This frozen house of Congress would be fine if only it were doing the right thing. The fact is that little effort and time would be required to fix up some long term problems yet the focus is this circus.

    Just put it on hold and lay aside holding America hostage to the circus. Get delayed things passed and address the issues that are a plague to the country.

    Just put the circus on the back burner and get some work done then come back in two months and get back to the inquisition.

    Your description of Thermite’s posts and views are not valid at all Milland and that you use those specific words makes me realize that they easier fit your own posts with all of your rhetoric you are actually very disinterested in progress.

    Your disappointment is deep and you are being dragged down with despair and lost hope. That is understandable given how rage has gotten carried away. Time we had a cease fire. Doubt that can happen easily even though we desperately need it.

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    Buy a dictionary and a thesaurus. I use words with precision.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dcsipo View Post
    ...Also funny how some people have their panties in a bunch over the secrecy of the inquiry, dude it is not a trial, it is an investigation, just like a grand jury, you will have all the transparency when it goes to the senate.
    The House of Representatives is not a grand jury, and formal inquiry resolutions in the House were passed in all previous Presidential impeachments.

    Precedent matters, and the dems have created a new standard. From now on, any president can be impeached in secret, based solely on a declaration by the Speaker.

    If this impeachment makes it to the Senate it will fail, but the damage will be done and not repairable.

    The next democrat president with a republican house will receive the exact same consideration that Trump is getting from Pelosi and Schiff. Impeaching a president will become routine. rather than the extraordinary measure the framers envisioned.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jancollc View Post

    The next democrat president with a republican house will receive the exact same consideration that Trump is getting from Pelosi and Schiff.
    If that Democrat is a literal traitor (and not a Repub fantasy), then I shall support that inquiry fully.

    As it stands more Republicans are calling for impeachment. The wave is growing...

    Oh, and just a reminder - Senate Leader Moscow Mitch McConnell stated during the Obama Presidency that his and the Repug Senate members goal was to make Obama a one-term President, no matter the cost to doing the Nation's business. So your "Oooh, we're gonna do it back to you!" is based on hypocrisy to start with.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Milland View Post
    Buy a dictionary and a thesaurus. I use words with precision.
    The only precision there is is the actual definition of the words. They do not fit Thermite. The connection you make does not fit and it is plain as day.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Milland View Post
    If that Democrat is a literal traitor (and not a Repub fantasy), then I shall support that inquiry fully.

    As it stands more Republicans are calling for impeachment. The wave is growing...
    You really do not get it do you? Amazing.

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    Precedent matters, and the dems have created a new standard. From now on, any president can be impeached in secret, based solely on a declaration by the Speaker.
    BOOM^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^There's the pull quote.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Milland View Post
    You are the very last, not penultimate, but LAST person to ever lay claim to another needing "translation".
    Can you imagine being out on the beer with Thermite - to the point where he has 1.5 times a skin full.
    IF you think he's hard to understand now, just think...
    :CHEERS:

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    Quote Originally Posted by barbter View Post
    Can you imagine being out on the beer with Thermite - to the point where he has 1.5 times a skin full.
    IF you think he's hard to understand now, just think...
    :CHEERS:
    I'd need to be falling down drunk before I'd ever consider such a thing...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Milland View Post
    Buy a dictionary and a thesaurus. I use words with precision.
    Whomever told you that was lying.

    Then again, lies appear to be your favourite food, so no surprise you believed it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Milland View Post
    I'd need to be falling down drunk before I'd ever consider such a thing...
    Indeed, you are. But it is too long a drive.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jancollc View Post
    The House of Representatives is not a grand jury, and formal inquiry resolutions in the House were passed in all previous Presidential impeachments.

    Precedent matters, and the dems have created a new standard. From now on, any president can be impeached in secret, based solely on a declaration by the Speaker.

    If this impeachment makes it to the Senate it will fail, but the damage will be done and not repairable.

    The next democrat president with a republican house will receive the exact same consideration that Trump is getting from Pelosi and Schiff. Impeaching a president will become routine. rather than the extraordinary measure the framers envisioned.
    In all previous recent impeachment proceedings, you had a secret process that lead to the creation of the articles of impeachment. That process does not exist here because the DOJ is part of the cabal that is being investigated by the house. No-one is going to be impeached in secret, the reason he is going to be impeached was always investigated in secret, Jaworsky operated in secret, Starrr as well, so was Muller, in this case, the congress is taking on the role. They have the constitutional right to do so.

    You make it sound like the republicans never tried to come up with reasons to impeach Obama. The solution is to elect someone with enough integrity not to break laws, and serve the people not his own and his friend's pockets.

    And oh BTW what Frump is doing is exactly why the framers created the impeachment process. Getting foreign governments involved in US elections.

    dee
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    Quote Originally Posted by PeteM View Post
    Would be nice if both the House and Senate got back to governing in citizens' interests rather than those of their donors.
    LMAO over that one!

    When did politicians EVER put citizens' interests ahead of loot?

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    And oh BTW what Frump is doing is exactly why the framers created the impeachment process. Getting foreign governments involved in US elections.
    Um,
    It was the Clinton campaign that first involved outsiders in the election with the Steel report. Bought and paid for by the Clinton campaign.

    Care to try again?

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    Quote Originally Posted by jancollc View Post
    . . . Precedent matters, and the dems have created a new standard. From now on, any president can be impeached in secret, based solely on a declaration by the Speaker. . ..

    Impeached in secret? If so, it's the best-covered secret in ages.

    I would agree that we've been upsetting precedent. Used to be there was less partisanship. Then Newt Gingrich. Used to be a President got to have a vote on Supreme Court nominees. Then Mitch McConnell. Used to be a President had a competent staff, deliberated before decisions. Then Trump and frenetic morning tweets setting, then resetting policy. Or the continual lies about and urges to beat up most everyone not kissing his ass. Unprecedented.

    The House's move to finally launch an investigation is lawful according to most: Must the House Vote to Authorize an Impeachment Inquiry? - Lawfare Could be it represents bad precedent, but we've been tearing up precedent at a frantic rate.

    Recall the Nixon was impeached for trying to get dirt on the opposition party (burglary) and then lying about it. Clinton was impeached for thinking a blow job couldn't be strictly defined as "having sex." Seems the Democrats were alarmed that Trump was basically strong arming foreign leaders and using his personal attorney as consigliere to the Don, in an attempt to get dirt on this opponents -- and would likely get away with it without an inquiry. Seems to me that getting-away-with would be by far the worse precedent.

    I'd think a majority of citizens would want to know the truth -- then see where it takes us.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Thunderjet View Post
    Um,
    It was the Clinton campaign that first involved outsiders in the election with the Steel report. Bought and paid for by the Clinton campaign.

    Care to try again?
    WTF, Remind me who is president? Who was standing there asking the Russians on stage to find the Clinton emails?

    Good luck explaining all this away




    Let me quote the man in the video, "Get over it", His defense today "I did not say what I said on the tape"

    dee
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    Quote Originally Posted by Scottl View Post
    LMAO over that one!

    When did politicians EVER put citizens' interests ahead of loot?

    Seems to me that people have often joined together for some common good -- selecting leaders along the way. In my neighborhood we'll sometimes do work crews for the road -- more commonly put $500 a year into a maintenance fund. People raise barns, build Interstate Highways, do rural electrification, sequence the genome, fund medical research, pay for fire and police protection, pay their teachers and so on.

    The problem is there is always some percent that sees any accumulation of labor, power, or money as something to be stolen for personal gain. Cultural norms have as much to do with the frequency of this as actually being caught by the law. Seems we're now with at least one foot firmly planted in a culture of greed.

    Getting the hidden money out of politics would be step one in the political realm -- and surprisingly easy for any state or national executive to make progress on witness Bullock and Montana.

    There's an interesting parallel in the animal kingdom. Species will band together for common defense. The norm is that all will call out to alert others of an intruder. But now and then one will fake an alarm call, just to grab some bit of food from the others. So "cheater detection" is a big deal and not just for we humans.

    Problem is when the cheaters run the show. The appropriate response is still "cheater detection."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Trueturning View Post
    Being solutions oriented often helps a lot. This frozen house of Congress would be fine if only it were doing the right thing.
    I submit that "frozen" may actually be "the right thing" at this time in history. Compromise was the intent, founders to present-day. If/as/when it cannot be had, the built-in corrective mechanism is thus:

    - Supreme Court serve for life, etc. = most stabilizing / high inertia / barrier to overly-rapid change as may not be well-thought-out

    - Senators serve for six-years = Reasonable insulation from overly-rapid change.

    - President serves for four years = two terms, max, but expected to EARN the second. Most, but not all, do so.

    - House of Reprehensibles = TWO YEARS. And there is our "rapid adjustment mechanism". As it was and is meant to be.

    Population is displeased? Vote. Out with the old. In with the new. For better or for worse. Slander, rip, defeat.

    ..may actually BE The fact is that little effort and time would be required to fix up some long term problems yet the focus is this circus.
    WE the people asked for this "circus". We got what we asked for. There should be no complaint on THAT score.

    We had fair warning. Go back to the most-recent resurrection of the Pelosi discontinuity. First quote in the media - check it out yerself:

    "We have to stop the Republicans!"

    As she has done. Give her credit for delivering precisely to her word on that.


    DJT, by comparison? "Make America Great Again".

    As he has done. Give him credit for delivering to his word on that.

    * The system worked EXACTLY as it was meant to work.

    * The voters got EXACTLY what they voted for, both cases.


    Where's the conflict in that?


    Want change to either side of that equation?

    Just "vote it so, next go."

    That simple. Really. It is.

    We actually do get what we vote for.

    Mind, it HELPS if we actually ADMIT that reality, try again next go - rather than spend the rest of our lives in denial of the previous election's results!

    That's not politics. Insanity, rather.

    Mind.. it is an insanity that has served reasonably well as to "stop the Republicans".

    Nobody ever said there was a SECOND thing as could be had at the same time, did they?

    The "Free Circus" is just the half-time shew. After all, the entire lot are drawing their wage, have nothing better to do.

    The system worked. We got exactly what was voted for.

    What's not to like about that?

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    Quote Originally Posted by dcsipo View Post
    In all previous recent impeachment proceedings, you had a secret process that lead to the creation of the articles of impeachment. That process does not exist here because the DOJ is part of the cabal that is being investigated by the house. No-one is going to be impeached in secret, the reason he is going to be impeached was always investigated in secret, Jaworsky operated in secret, Starrr as well, so was Muller, in this case, the congress is taking on the role. They have the constitutional right to do so.
    In Clinton's case, there was no substantive investigation in the House, the charges were contained in the Starr report.

    In Nixon's case, there were investigations in both houses, which had broad bipartison support (77-0 in the Senate, 410-4 in the House). These hearings were concurrent to Jaworski's investigation and were public, with a scrupulous adherence to due process.

    The Mueller investigation was supposed to provide the "high crimes and misdemeanors" for the dems, but it flopped. That was your secret process.

    Mueller failed, so now the dems have decided to take another bite at that apple by appointing themselves as special prosecutors, with the intent of finding a crime where Mueller and the FBI- after 3 years of trying, could not.

    The dems can't remove Trump from office. This is just an attempt to create a cloud of suspicion going into the 2020 election. It's a political ploy that has far-reaching ramifications. Dems should think about those ramifications very seriously.

    Your excuse is the exact same one republicans will use when the shoe is on the other foot. This is now the new normal- the toothpaste can't be put back in the tube. Whoever is Trump's successor, the impeachment investigation will begin on Inauguration day. Republican or Democrat, it won't matter.

    That's why you have a vote in he House before you head down this course. Actually they did- there have been 3 votes on impeachment since Trump took office- each one failed. The last vote was in this Congress- which makes it that much more egregious, since Pelosi is technically ignoring the will of the House.


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