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    Quote Originally Posted by jancollc View Post
    That's why you have a vote in he House before you head down this course. Actually they did- there have been 3 votes on impeachment since Trump took office- each one failed. The last vote was in this Congress- which makes it that much more egregious, since Pelosi is technically ignoring the will of the House.
    Pelosi genuinely HAS gone off her nut.

    She USED TO HAVE the ability to sort-of "hold her nose", find a way to cut deals, come out looking the HERO to her clan off the back of getting what they wanted, if it had to be negotiated with the Devil incarnate, his wives, concubines, their kids and their Devil-dogs as well. She WAS just that good, like it or never.

    This go? Senility has seen her give up every damned shred of that once-superb negotiating skill, dig-in like a spoilt child gone suicidal at holding its breath.

    Her way ONLY, deliver NOTHING, and f**k her party, f**k her members, f**k the folks as voted them in, and f**k their future credibility for f**king long years to come.

    Will they ever vote her out? No Fine Way!

    As with Elijah Cummings, she'll never quit. She'll die in office, her party running a terminal care hospice - freshmen at the tangled wires of the crossed controls.

    Dildos. Or the fossils, thereof.

    We asked for it. We got it. Toy odour.

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    Recall the Nixon was impeached for trying to get dirt on the opposition party (burglary) and then lying about it.
    Nixon was not impeached......He resigned. He was NOT removed from office.


    Clinton was impeached for thinking a blow job couldn't be strictly defined as "having sex."
    Clinton WAS impeached for lying to a grand jury.......Not for getting a blowjob.

    You all DO NOT get to rewrite history.

    The Hillary Clinton campaign was THE FIRST to bring in offshore help trying to defeat the Don.....get over it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by thermite View Post
    Pelosi genuinely HAS gone off her nut.

    She USED TO HAVE the ability to sort-of "hold her nose", find a way to cut deals, come out looking the HERO to her clan off the back of getting what they wanted, if it had to be negotiated with the Devil incarnate, his wives, concubines, their kids and their Devil-dogs as well. She WAS just that good, like it or never.
    I think the dems have just passed her by.

    Who would ever have thought Nancy Pelosi would represent the conservative wing of the democrat party?

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    Who ever thought that Donald Trump would represent the Communist Wing of the Republican Party?

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    Quote Originally Posted by jancollc View Post
    I think the dems have just passed her by.

    Who would ever have thought Nancy Pelosi would represent the conservative wing of the democrat party?
    LOL! Yah, well... I recall a young cutie once telling me that I:

    "Looked like a million bucks!"

    Sure of that? And then.. she said:

    "All green and wrinkled!"

    The conservative wing of the Democratic Party? Seems to have been taken off life-support "a while" ago. Embalming process already underway.

    Pelosi had best shed those high heels she's grown unsteady on, lest the morticians cart catch up to her as it just did Tommy as well as Elijah.

    Why is it these folks go past their sell-by date, they won't retire while they are still functional, have their "book" ghost-written, and bask in former glory?

    Even if it doesn't sell well, they can find a way to launder what they have stolen, APPEAR to have become rich off the book, and leave the rest of us TF alone.

    Or mostly, so, anyway. Thank you Barack Obama. Glad to see life finally found a job you could actually HANDLE. Spending the loot.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Milland View Post
    Who ever thought that Donald Trump would represent the Communist Wing of the Republican Party?
    Easy one.

    No one with a functioning brain. There's no such wing.

    Next senile-stupid question, please?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Thunderjet View Post
    Nixon was not impeached......He resigned. He was NOT removed from office.




    Clinton WAS impeached for lying to a grand jury.......Not for getting a blowjob.

    You all DO NOT get to rewrite history.
    . . ..
    While we're picking nits - the House did vote to begin the impeachment process on Nixon. As you say, he quit shortly thereafter, perhaps expecting a pardon from Ford. My point was that his crime (trying to get dirt on his opponents) was essentially the same as alleged for Trump.

    Clinton's lie was saying he didn't have a sexual relationship with Lewinsky. Or, as I said, apparently for thinking a blow job wasn't really having sex.

    Sounds like you're just fine with any President sending his consigliere to shake down foreign governments, Godfather-like, in an attempt to discredit his opposition -- as long as he's your guy?

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    Quote Originally Posted by PeteM View Post
    While we're picking nits - the House did vote to begin the impeachment process on Nixon. As you say, he quit shortly thereafter, perhaps expecting a pardon from Ford. My point was that his crime (trying to get dirt on his opponents) was essentially the same as alleged for Trump.

    Clinton's lie was saying he didn't have a sexual relationship with Lewinsky. Or, as I said, apparently for thinking a blow job wasn't really having sex.

    Sounds like you're just fine with any President sending his consigliere to shake down foreign governments, Godfather-like, in an attempt to discredit his opposition -- as long as he's your guy?
    Impeachment of Bill Clinton - Wikipedia

    Bill Clinton was impeached for lying to a Grand Jury investigation about Paula Jones. In essence, his perjury interfered with Paula Jones civil rights of due process. Monica Lewinsky was going to perjure herself in an attempt to protect B. Clinton.

    The impeachment proceedings initially had zero to do with Monica Lewinsky and her activities with Clinton. It wasn't until it was disclosed about her intention to commit perjury did Monica become relevant to the impeachment.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PeteM View Post
    Sounds like you're just fine with any President sending his consigliere to shake down foreign governments, Godfather-like, in an attempt to discredit his opposition -- as long as he's your guy?
    That dog won't hunt. Get over it. Biden-present-day was an Easter egg - collateral damage, unsought, and unexpected.

    What Trump had asked was to seek facts on the Obama/Clinton/Fusion-GPS 2007/FBI,CIA, FIve-Eyes, whomever.. fiction that was to be made INTO the "Steele Dossier".

    The frame-up attempt, 2016 Election, not 2020 Election, that Biden the VP, not yet Biden the cannibal, may or may not have known anything about in the moment.

    Probably NOT known, as neither Obama nor Clinton had much love for him, nor any serious faith in his discretion. I say again, Joe Biden is not even a likely suspect to have been aware the frame-up was even going-on whilst he was Vice President.

    That Hunter Biden seems to have made choices with - at the VERY least "bad optics" - and continued same AFTER Joe was out of office, and INTO Joe becoming a candidate is foolish, but not necessarily criminal. Not under present-day law, anyway.

    Whether Hunter & buddy earned it off the back of wise advice, or off the back of access - or only "hinted at, possible access" to Joe Biden is trivially "small beans" as such deals go. Better it had been left for later, and the more measured work of DOJ if even it WAS of interest to the "real" investigation.

    The problem is that Giuliani has portrayed himself as a noisy, grandstanding educated IDIOT.

    He HAD a legitimate crime to investigate to clear his client of wrongdoing charged off the Obama/Clinton frame-up. That must not have been exciting enough.

    Rudy had to puff himself up anywhere he could find a camera by bragging about a PERIPHERAL situation in re "Biden, Inc."

    "On appearances", that was wrong. It "appears" BADLY wrong. Much akin to setting out to hunt Tigers and bringing back nothing but cat hair and cat shit for all the effort and risk, then broadcasting to the whole damned word "Tigers were there! I have the depositions!". From known-corrupt Ukrainians? Need more than THAT. And he may HAVE more.

    Any professional game warden would have to brand Rudy a dangerous flake.

    That quid-pro-quo Joe had BECOME a cannibal for President AFTER the Obama/Clinton conspiracy is but an accident of timing.

    Connecting them if they are NOT connected weakens any chance at justice, both cases.
    Rudy seems to have done that out of foolish greed, the Deep State out of hope of obfuscation, but "done" it assuredly has been. A B Schiff NEEDED it to seem connected for the "Impeachment Games" show.

    We would be foolish NOW not to try to separate them again, weigh EACH on its own merit, or lack thereof. Like it or never, the Hunter Biden games are not even what matters. Those could be ignored, and ultimately will be, anyway.

    Trump was not wrong on one thing: Joe Biden never had the ghost of a chance of facing Trump in a debate nor TV spot and not looking the doddering, confused, tongue-tied, aimless old fool. That Joe is nothing less has ALREADY become painfully obvious, one public appearance after another, hardly the least hint of exception.

    Joe is no functional use as a candidate were he as pure as distilled water. No NEED to discredit his financial dealings whatsoever. BETTER for DJT, in fact, were Joe to have been propped-up, perfumed, and lead unharmed right into the slaughterhouse in a virginally white wedding Tuxedo.

    DJT would own Biden's very ass in any face-to-face confrontation within the proverbial "New York Minute". Matter of record, all the evidence one needs. Just compare their rally appearances.

    Now.. back to Giuliani? I did say "appearance of" a clumsy, noisy fool.

    The problem with that? It may be a deception.

    Rudy IS a past-master at prosecution - hardball prosecution, and a great deal OF it. Tough cases, and complex ones. Has he REALLY "lost it"? Maybe not.

    He is also proficient at "the tactics of mistake". Chase what seems to be his mistakes? Some will be traps. Or distractions from bigger game, wholly different line of advance from the one he is waving in your face.

    And then there are "the Russians". More than a few "sets". Some of whom may or may not even BE "Russians". Others of whom never even existed. Still OTHERS as were not involved in framing DJT, but actually did far the worse damage. Some of that was on a different line of attack that ACTUALLY failed as to specific target.

    Nonetheless, the type of attack worked better than hoped-for at weakening our whole system and our faith IN it. It was not directed at any one candidate, either side. The system itself, rather.

    No surprise it is still going on, and at more intensive and more highly leveraged rates than ever, is it? Sow chaos. Support confrontation. Degrade "good manners". Erect barriers to negotiated outcomes. Impede accurate communications. Damage faith in a free press. encourage ever-harder-edged polarization. Support delusions and conspiracy theories. Leverage inherent human gullibility to weaken ALL "free world" establishments, bar NONE.


    More on that after I snatch a nap....

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    Sounds like you're just fine with any President sending his consigliere to shake down foreign governments, Godfather-like, in an attempt to discredit his opposition -- as long as he's your guy?
    For the enth time.....It was CLINTON that brought in the foreigners. It was OBAMA that had the FBI bug Trump tower.

    It was OBAMA that sent his campaign staff to Israel to try to defeat BB.

    And he's not "my guy". I think he's done more damage to the Republican party than Pelosi could ever do.

    It's all really sad. Nobody wants to pay attention anymore. The electorate is running away from political news because there's no good place to get an unvarnished fact pattern.

    We'll probably elect a communist to the presidency in 2020. Just because nobody knows what communism is anymore. China will revel in the outcome and rub their hands together in anticipation of the coming wave of socialist programs they can buy in to. All the while selling fentanyl to the masses, killing them softly, one at a time.

    What a way to run a railroad.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Thunderjet View Post
    For the enth time.....It was CLINTON that brought in the foreigners. It was OBAMA that had the FBI bug Trump tower. . . .


    It's all really sad. Nobody wants to pay attention anymore. The electorate is running away from political news because there's no good place to get an unvarnished fact pattern.

    We'll probably elect a communist to the presidency in 2020. Just because nobody knows what communism is anymore. China will revel in the outcome and rub their hands together in anticipation of the coming wave of socialist programs they can buy in to. All the while selling fentanyl to the masses, killing them softly, one at a time.

    What a way to run a railroad.
    Here's a reasonable recap of what we have / haven't corroborated from the "Steele dossier:" Steele, Trump-Russia dossier 2 years later: what’s corroborated, unclear - Business Insider

    As for the FBI during the Obama administration following those Russian contacts -- seems Obama bent over backwards to play that one straight. At a time when the FBI was investigating both Clinton (server) and the Trump campaign (Russian hacking and Trump Tower meetings, Manaforte and Ukraine, & all the other stuff in the link above) -- the American public was only told about the Clinton investigation and right before the election. What would have been even handed would have been to disclose neither or both investigations. The Obama policy, if he did in fact weigh in, worked to his own party's detriment.

    In any case, neither party is much likely to nominate a communist in 2020.

    The Trump-Putin bromance with it's Ukraine, Trump Moscow, election hacking, laundered Russian mob money, let 'em have Syria overtones is as close to "communism" as the Republicans have seen themselves dragged -- and it's a lot more about corrupt Russian oligarchs and personal wealth than communist ideology. This is likely what Milland alludes to, above.

    Bernie Sanders' self-described democratic socialism (e.g. Denmark, Sweden . . . ) is as close as the Democrats will get to "communism." It's likely mostly about young kids pissed off at us old folks squandering their inheritance in most every way possible (national debt, education, climate, health care, war, deteriorating infrastructure, still too big to fail industries buying favor with hidden money . . .). In any case, Bernie's oversimplified exemplars (Denmark etc.) are capitalist not Communist, but with higher taxes, a more robust middle class, and fewer too-big-to-fail industries using hidden money and influence to call the shots.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PeteM View Post
    While we're picking nits - the House did vote to begin the impeachment process on Nixon. As you say, he quit shortly thereafter, perhaps expecting a pardon from Ford. My point was that his crime (trying to get dirt on his opponents) was essentially the same as alleged for Trump.

    ...

    Sounds like you're just fine with any President sending his consigliere to shake down foreign governments, Godfather-like, in an attempt to discredit his opposition -- as long as he's your guy?
    Pete, I gotta say I am impressed with your capacity to suspend all disbelief as it applies to your team.

    What the Obama administration did to the Trump campaign was Watergate X 1000.

    The Obama administration really DID open a counterintelligence investigation against the Trump campaign in the middle of 2016. They really DID wiretap Trump and his campaign. They really DID target George Popadopolous with CIA informants- Stefan Halper was wearing a wire.

    The Steele Dossier really DID come from foreign sources. It really WAS paid for by the Clinton campaign, who funneled the money through Perkins Coeie to Fusion GPS and claimed it as "legal expenses" on their campaign finance disclosures- that's a REAL campaign finance violation, btw.

    The infamous "Trump Tower Meeting" WAS a Fusion GPS setup. The Russians were clients of Fusion GPS, who had contracted to lobby for the repeal of the Magnitsky Act. They met with Glen Simpson immediately after that meeting.

    Nellie Ohr, who is the wife of Bruce Ohr (Comey's #2) worked for Fusion GPS and was one of the authors of the dossier. She testified that part of what she put in the dossier came directly from a Ukrainian member of Parliament.

    Alexandra Chalupa was a DNC operative who tried to get Ukraine to provide dirt on Manafort, they had the sense to turn her away.

    The Ukrainians have already admitted to interfering in 2016 to help Hillary. Do I need to post the Politico piece again?

    None of this is speculation- it's on the record, documented testimony- no "anonymous sources" needed.

    The "shakedown" you attribute to Trump didn't happen. The Ukrainian President has already said it didn't happen. Volker said it didn't happen. The Ukrainians didn't even know the aid was on hold.

    You can't have it both ways. If it's illegal for Trump to ask a foreign person for "dirt" on a political opponent, you have to go after Hillary for actually doing exactly that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PeteM View Post
    Here's a reasonable recap of what we have / haven't corroborated from the "Steele dossier:" Steele, Trump-Russia dossier 2 years later: what’s corroborated, unclear - Business Insider
    Yes, Russians did hack the DNC Server. They also tried to hack the RNC but couldn't get in.
    Yes, Carter Page once went to Moscow.

    The rest is either speculation that has since been dismissed by Mueller, or innuendo. Trump has been known to visit a Las Vegas strip club that had "similar shows", etc.

    A nice hit piece, but it's not what you can call reporting. The Prague trip never happened, and there was nothing illegal about the Moscow Trump tower, it was just a project that never happened. It was DOA before Trump ever got the GOP nomination.

    The Trump Tower meeting was a Fusion GPS setup- we know the people involved and their relationship to Glen Simpson.

    The entire Popadopolous scheme was setup by Brennan and Clapper.

    There has been a lot of testimony released since that BI piece was written, and none of it corroborates anything in the "dossier".

    The IG report is supposed to be out by the end of the month, we'll know more about the connections between Steele, the FBI, and the other conspirators soon.

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    You can't have it both ways. If it's illegal for Trump to ask a foreign person for "dirt" on a political opponent, you have to go after Hillary for actually doing exactly that.
    That shit was never on CNN so it didn't happen dude..........Get with the program.
    It's all FAUX news ya' see?

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    Quote Originally Posted by PeteM View Post
    Here's a reasonable recap of what we have / haven't corroborated from the "Steele dossier:" Steele, Trump-Russia dossier 2 years later: what’s corroborated, unclear - Business Insider

    As for the FBI during the Obama administration following those Russian contacts -- seems Obama bent over backwards to play that one straight. At a time when the FBI was investigating both Clinton (server) and the Trump campaign (Russian hacking and Trump Tower meetings, Manaforte and Ukraine, & all the other stuff in the link above) -- the American public was only told about the Clinton investigation and right before the election. What would have been even handed would have been to disclose neither or both investigations. The Obama policy, if he did in fact weigh in, worked to his own party's detriment.

    In any case, neither party is much likely to nominate a communist in 2020.

    The Trump-Putin bromance with it's Ukraine, Trump Moscow, election hacking, laundered Russian mob money, let 'em have Syria overtones is as close to "communism" as the Republicans have seen themselves dragged -- and it's a lot more about corrupt Russian oligarchs and personal wealth than communist ideology. This is likely what Milland alludes to, above.

    Bernie Sanders' self-described democratic socialism (e.g. Denmark, Sweden . . . ) is as close as the Democrats will get to "communism." It's likely mostly about young kids pissed off at us old folks squandering their inheritance in most every way possible (national debt, education, climate, health care, war, deteriorating infrastructure, still too big to fail industries buying favor with hidden money . . .). In any case, Bernie's oversimplified exemplars (Denmark etc.) are capitalist not Communist, but with higher taxes, a more robust middle class, and fewer too-big-to-fail industries using hidden money and influence to call the shots.
    You should invest in a higher-grade of comic books, Pete.

    You've only missed 90% of the facts any citizen who bothers to DIG can find, and in their "own words" on internal documents of the minions within the truant agencies who personally did the dirty bits of it.

    Better filtered funny-papers? You could eliminate that annoying ten percent that leaves the odd string loose as could unravel your fictional land of Hobbits and Orcs.

    Just look at the BRAND NEW "gross evidence" of insanity. Beyond your own, I mean:

    Senility-Hillary this very week branding Major Gabbard & Green Jill Stein alike as "Russian assets"? And Oh! are there ever so many MORE of those, with "bots" and trolls! Joseph McCarthy? Eat your small-time low-budget heart out!

    "Russian" has become her substitute for "annoys the Dowager Empress of Deceit"?

    "Impeach" has become the only word Pelosi can pronounce without her independently-navigated lips going walkabout?

    IS all this a political exercise, really?

    Or a geriatric one - competing purveyors of senile dementia determined to rule a terminal care hospice?

    Trump's greatest sin is refusing to act his age?

    Well? Xin loy! Tough shit. Too sad. Deal with that. Get over it. "Trust me!" - and "Thank God for small favours!"

    We hired EXACTLY the right guy for the job he has to do.

    Y'see...

    Some asses need kicked now and then.

    Not sold-out-to. Not kissed. Not kowtowed to, BHO apologist style.

    KICKED! Right-the-fuck up between their deceitful vacuum-headed shoulder-blades and easily into the middle of next year, "kicked".

    Might call that a REALITY show writ large?

    One can surely hope......

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    Quote Originally Posted by jancollc View Post
    . . . The Obama administration really DID open a counterintelligence investigation against the Trump campaign in the middle of 2016. They really DID wiretap Trump and his campaign. . . .

    You can't have it both ways. If it's illegal for Trump to ask a foreign person for "dirt" on a political opponent, you have to go after Hillary for actually doing exactly that.
    I'd be delighted to see a full accounting of campaign finance violations, either way they go. Even happier to see full transparency for every dollar spent.

    It's pretty clear the Clinton campaign spent $5M or so trying to understand the Russian connections to Trump -- that Steele dossier. A case that this was an illegal campaign contribution was opened in 2017 and (far as I know) still pending.

    Also seems clear the Trump has multiple violations. The prostitute hush money payments, Inaugural money gone wild, charitable donations used for personal expenses, Trump Tower Moscow discussions, the Ukraine bit etc. All those, far as I know, also still pending.

    I'm personally OK with either party digging into an opponents past through legal means and -- to the extent it's true -- disclosing assorted misdeeds. Hopefully we don't go crazy -- slamming say a candidate who dressed up as an Indian in the fifth grade -- though that's likely a false hope in these partisan times. People will just have to sort it out themselves.

    I'm not OK with the party in power using mob tactics to discredit their opposition. That's the problem with the Ukraine situation - cutting out the usual channels, inserting Trump's consigliere, and offering favors the Ukraine pretty much can't refuse when faced with Russia already gobbling up part of their country. This pits and puts personal advantage (Trumps) over key issues of world stability and peace -- with the Ukraine a hot spot caught between the Western world and Putin's ambitions.

    If someone thinks there's dirt to be had on Biden's son, seems they might want to spend their own $5 million on a Biden dossier -- and this time disclose it as a campaign contribution. What seems to be known so far is a case of bad judgement (joining a board of directors to help polish the reputation of a turd of a portfolio company), but no illegal activity. Kind of a like celebrity endorsement. Slimy? Probably. Illegal? Probably not.

    As for Russian interference in the election -- which we clearly know happened -- you really think the Obama administration should have given it a pass and not opened an investigation?? And should we keep letting Russians hack what they want -- sort of the Mitch McConnell plan??

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    Quote Originally Posted by Thunderjet View Post
    For the enth time.....It was CLINTON that brought in the foreigners. It was OBAMA that had the FBI bug Trump tower.

    It was OBAMA that sent his campaign staff to Israel to try to defeat BB.

    And he's not "my guy". I think he's done more damage to the Republican party than Pelosi could ever do.

    It's all really sad. Nobody wants to pay attention anymore. The electorate is running away from political news because there's no good place to get an unvarnished fact pattern.

    We'll probably elect a communist to the presidency in 2020. Just because nobody knows what communism is anymore. China will revel in the outcome and rub their hands together in anticipation of the coming wave of socialist programs they can buy in to. All the while selling fentanyl to the masses, killing them softly, one at a time.

    What a way to run a railroad.
    The big difference is that the Clinton campaign paid Fusion GPS to collect information. Since the Frump campaign was involved with foreigners, it was inevitable that some of the sources were foreign. But the Fusion GPS stuff was not an illegal campaign contribution because it was paid for by the campaign. While the interaction with Frump was not paid by the campaign and was clearly labeled by the Russians as the help they were offering to the campaign, therefore a contribution of value, since it is clear that information was valuable, because information form foreign sources were paid for by the Clinton campaign. You cannot have it both ways.

    The FBI never bugged Frump tower.

    Also since Frumpy is the president, he is using the power of the executive branch to solicit help from foreign governments, he is holding up funding and asking for favors. Just the ask is illegal, holding up the funds without asking was illegal, there is so much shit in this situation that brakes laws.

    You have no clue what a communist is, based on your definition Canada is a communist country, and Germany's free college is downright Stalinist. Face it every government is in the business of wealth redistribution, in the case of the US government right now the wealth redistribution is to the top 1%.


    dee
    ;-D

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    Quote Originally Posted by dcsipo View Post
    The big difference is that the Clinton campaign paid Fusion GPS to collect information.
    Perhaps you came in after the film had started?
    "Create the APPEARANCE OF information", you mean.

    Fusion GPS sold Clinton an existing "stage play" they had written for use in 2007.

    THEN they added "russians" to the slots in the play to create the "Steele Dossier" - Steele but the messenger meant to conceal the Fusion GPS source.

    Among the several ways it fell apart was that Fusion had to brag about how well-prepared they were. The revision was compared to the original skit and found essentially identical.

    That was a major klew to why it was "not credible".

    IF Hillary had only paid Fusion GPS to write FRESH material instead of cheaping-out on hand-me downs, recycled?

    She might not have been as easily caught.

    No fear. Her subjects would simply have invented a different delusion to cling to., no extra charge.

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    Quote Originally Posted by thermite View Post
    Perhaps you came in after the film had started?
    "Create the APPEARANCE OF information", you mean.

    Fusion GPS sold Clinton an existing "stage play" they had written for use in 2007.

    THEN they added "russians" to the slots in the play to create the "Steele Dossier" - Steele but the messenger meant to conceal the Fusion GPS source.

    Among the several ways it fell apart was that Fusion had to brag about how well-prepared they were. The revision was compared to the original skit and found essentially identical.

    That was a major klew to why it was "not credible".

    IF Hillary had only paid Fusion GPS to write FRESH material instead of cheaping-out on hand-me downs, recycled?

    She might not have been as easily caught.

    No fear. Her subjects would simply have invented a different delusion to cling to., no extra charge.
    Bill, you are totally missing the point. The Campaign paid for the information, whether it was initially paid by GOP operatives as OPO research or not is irrelevant to the discussion. the difference between information bought and paid for vs donated as a contribution, that is the difference. If the Russians provided any information to Frumpy that is an illegal campaign contribution if Frumpy bought info from the Russians that is a campaign expenditure, no matter how ethically questionable. It is fascinating how fixated you guys are on the dossier, it is at best a collection of chatter collected by Steele. Frumpy's campaign had well over 100 contacts with Russians, and that is only what Muller could identify, who knows what other underhanded shit they were doing. Then they tried to cover all that up, impede the investigation. It is all in the report, but it might be too tiresome for some to read it.

    You have to wonder why Frumpy keeps litigating the last election, must be guilty contentious, or fear of being found out. He is one F'n sore winner, what an F'n loser. Also, why does every foreign policy decision he makes have to benefit Putin?

    dee
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    Quote Originally Posted by dcsipo View Post
    Bill, you are totally missing the point. The Campaign paid for the information, whether it was initially paid by GOP operatives as OPO research or not is irrelevant to the discussion. the difference between information bought and paid for vs donated as a contribution, that is the difference. If the Russians provided any information to Frumpy that is an illegal campaign contribution if Frumpy bought info from the Russians that is a campaign expenditure, no matter how ethically questionable. It is fascinating how fixated you guys are on the dossier, it is at best a collection of chatter collected by Steele. Frumpy's campaign had well over 100 contacts with Russians, and that is only what Muller could identify, who knows what other underhanded shit they were doing. Then they tried to cover all that up, impede the investigation. It is all in the report, but it might be too tiresome for some to read it.

    You have to wonder why Frumpy keeps litigating the last election, must be guilty contentious, or fear of being found out. He is one F'n sore winner, what an F'n loser. Also, why does every foreign policy decision he makes have to benefit Putin?

    dee
    ;-D
    For someone not OTHERWISE barking mad, you are clear off-planet.

    But there you have it. Anyone who has done OBJECTIVE research soon notes that it is as if the Obama/Clinton crowd have an entire pre-scripted playbook, and memorized by rote. Mind - were they not intellectually "tick the left box" LAZY in the first place, they might not BE O-C clan disciples, nor Ripofflicans, either one.

    Meanwhile, as they weren't given any sort of directive in advance to tell them they were SUPPOSED to follow the O-C script and collude? The Trumpets have to wonder and worry and discover each small chunk of the play in dribs and drabs, then make a great fuss over each new increment as they come to light.

    Most give it up as soon as the "get it" that it was an O-C / DNC / Fusion GPS stage play, delusional lies already having been expected. taken as stipulated, and repeated, today, tomorrow, and forever.

    The good news is that the associated "TDS" effectively cripples those who carry the infection. The Trumpets are good with that. Keeps the horseflies off their watermelon.

    BOTH sides will probably get more than a few surprises once the rest of the investigations - or at least the two biggest ones - complete.

    And you will carry-on with "TDS" as if barking mad on this subject, facts be damned.

    BFD.

    As with a flat Earth, it's human nature.

    Closer to ZERO our actual knowledge, any given subject or philosophy, closer to absolute the opinions we hold on it.


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