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    "F**k your border
    F**k your wall
    We will make your system fall !"


    So say the "immigration protestors".



    So what "system" do they intend to make fall?

    Could it perhaps be our "capitalist" system, ie Western democracy?

    Now that Mexico has just elected a hard left socialist as President this question is more important than ever. Will he perhaps encourage ever larger waves of migrants to travel through Mexico and assault our borders in an attempt to make our system fail?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Scottl View Post
    "F**k your border
    F**k your wall
    We will make your system fall !"


    So say the "immigration protestors".



    So what "system" do they intend to make fall?

    Could it perhaps be our "capitalist" system, ie Western democracy?

    Now that Mexico has just elected a hard left socialist as President this question is more important than ever. Will he perhaps encourage ever larger waves of migrants to travel through Mexico and assault our borders in an attempt to make our system fail?
    Militarized corporate rule.
    You are correct in using quotes for capitalist.

    Face it Scott, you don’t like what they are saying, but some times the dirty hippies are right.
    They have as much right to be loud about what they don’t like being done their names as anyone else.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Miguels244 View Post
    Militarized corporate rule.
    You are correct in using quotes for capitalist.

    Face it Scott, you don’t like what they are saying, but some times the dirty hippies are right.
    They have as much right to be loud about what they don’t like being done their names as anyone else.
    Of course they have a right to protest. But we as a nation also have a right to take what they say seriously as intent to take down our system of government through uncontrolled immigration and we may take appropriate measure to thwart their plan.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Scottl View Post
    Of course they have a right to protest. But we as a nation also have a right to take what they say seriously as intent to take down our system of government through uncontrolled immigration and we may take appropriate measure to thwart their plan.
    Get real. You write as if the Mexican government is behind a devious plan to flood the USA with Mexicans. Your problem is peanuts compared to what Europe has experienced and very much because of US participation in the Middle East and Afghanistan.

    Migration and migrant population statistics - Statistics Explained

    Trump is appealing to ignorance and it obviously works on a large minority. By your logic the USA has a plan for drowning Europe with non European refugees.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gordon B. Clarke View Post
    Get real. You write as if the Mexican government is behind a devious plan to flood the USA with Mexicans. Your problem is peanuts compared to what Europe has experienced and very much because of US participation in the Middle East and Afghanistan.

    Migration and migrant population statistics - Statistics Explained

    Trump is appealing to ignorance and it obviously works on a large minority. By your logic the USA has a plan for drowning Europe with non European refugees.
    How Ironic! You simultaneously admit that Europe has a severe migrant problem and that the USA migrant problem is Currently less severe, and then mock and ridicule our attempts to prevent our problem from reaching the level in Europe.

    Then you claim that our "participation in the Middle East and Afghanistan" is the primary cause of your migrant problem. That article you linked to provides no proof of that and to the contrary shows migration to Europe from many other countries. In the case of Denmark it DOES show migration from Syria, but that is outranked by migration from Poland and Germany.

    In Italy, the countries of birth are listed as Romania, Albania, Morocco, Ukraine, and China. The category "Other" is so vague as to be meaningless.

    The same pattern holds true for the other countries listed. Your migrants are coming from all over the world. Under Spain, the number 3 and 4 categories are Ecuador and Columbia. Do you even know what part of the world that is?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Scottl View Post
    Of course they have a right to protest. But we as a nation also have a right to take what they say seriously as intent to take down our system of government through uncontrolled immigration and we may take appropriate measure to thwart their plan.
    YOU have a right to misinterpret whatthey are saying.

    You also have a right to think that YOUR vision for the nation is the right one.

    I have a right to interpret your position as a reactionary xenophobic racists with delusional attitudes towards immigrants.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gordon B. Clarke View Post
    Get real. You write as if the Mexican government is behind a devious plan to flood the USA with Mexicans. Your problem is peanuts compared to what Europe has experienced and very much because of US participation in the Middle East and Afghanistan.

    Migration and migrant population statistics - Statistics Explained

    Trump is appealing to ignorance and it obviously works on a large minority. By your logic the USA has a plan for drowning Europe with non European refugees.
    Quote Originally Posted by Scottl View Post
    How Ironic! You simultaneously admit that Europe has a severe migrant problem and that the USA migrant problem is Currently less severe, and then mock and ridicule our attempts to prevent our problem from reaching the level in Europe.

    Then you claim that our "participation in the Middle East and Afghanistan" is the primary cause of your migrant problem. That article you linked to provides no proof of that and to the contrary shows migration to Europe from many other countries. In the case of Denmark it DOES show migration from Syria, but that is outranked by migration from Poland and Germany.

    In Italy, the countries of birth are listed as Romania, Albania, Morocco, Ukraine, and China. The category "Other" is so vague as to be meaningless.

    The same pattern holds true for the other countries listed. Your migrants are coming from all over the world. Under Spain, the number 3 and 4 categories are Ecuador and Columbia. Do you even know what part of the world that is?
    He clearly appealed to Scott’s ignorance.
    There is essentially no comparison between our immigration issues and what Europe faces.
    Not in terms of numbers, history, laws, homogeneous population, economic structure...hell food.

    Scott is delusional regarding immigration and brown people.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gordon B. Clarke View Post
    Get real. You write as if the Mexican government is behind a devious plan to flood the USA with Mexicans. Your problem is peanuts compared to what Europe has experienced and very much because of US participation in the Middle East and Afghanistan.

    Migration and migrant population statistics - Statistics Explained

    Trump is appealing to ignorance and it obviously works on a large minority. By your logic the USA has a plan for drowning Europe with non European refugees.
    This is a reach into the absurd, Gordon. The migration crisis in Europe is far more related to simple demographics, economics, and the vastly improved transportation available today than to USA "meddling".

    If you have large, highly-fertile (cultural and religious customs that encouraging large families) populations, with a large proportion of young men, mix in lack of work or stable governments (for a variety of reasons, not just other nations interfering), and add in relatively safe, fast, and not terribly expensive transportation, is it any surprise there's going to be migration?

    Don't overreach with your arguments, it just weakens them.

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    BTW, I would like to see countries deal with these pressures internally, I am not by any stretch in favor of uncontrolled migration.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Milland View Post
    BTW, I would like to see countries deal with these pressures internally, I am not by any stretch in favor of uncontrolled migration.
    I think Gordon has a point.
    Until the USA shit in the sandbox there was no where as much pressure in the region.
    Those externalities made it virtually for them to deal with the internal problems locally.


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