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    Quote Originally Posted by michiganbuck View Post
    wow I guess I missed this..seems Hong Kong is having problems.
    Some Hong Kong people have been pissed off for years. They had a lot of special advantages which have been slowly dwindling. Plus a lot of them think they are "special". Most of the people there are pretty cool but they sort of have the "squeaky wheel gets the grease" attitude.

    It's no biggy, the lease was up and the current central gubmint is down on money laundering, which was a big part of hong kong's income. Too bad so sad, change is the only constant

    We used to laugh, you can almost always tell a hong konger by the pig nose

    The linked story is another one of those endless "Communism Bad !!" diatribes. It gets tiresome.

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    Isn’t “Communism Bad!!”?

    I mean that’s what they taught us in school...

    Communism: noun
    A system of government where everyone is equal and we all get along because we keep killing off anyone who doesn’t fit in.

    Sounds like a great place.


    “It is astonishing that Communism has been writing about itself in the most open way, in black and white, for 125 years, and even more openly, more candidly in the beginning. The [book:Communist Manifesto|30474, for instance, which everyone knows by name and which almost no one takes the trouble to read, contains even more terrible things than what has actually been done. It is perfectly amazing. The whole world can read, everyone is literate, yet somehow no one wants to understand. Humanity acts as if it does not understand what Communism is, as if it does not want to understand, is not capable of understanding.”
    -A.S.

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    Quote Originally Posted by otrlt View Post
    A price increase of US made equipment, is a good......... very good thing. Have you seen how midwest manufacturers are responding to all of this?

    With no Fed Rate Hike in sight, the US Manufacturing sector has finally been given the green light.

    Full Speed Ahead..

    Putting the pom poms down for sec, so you do after all, despite earlier remarks, understand duties will raise the price of items made in the US?

    And you also understand higher prices for US made goods means a lower standard of living for consumers and less competitive exports?

    And you understand the concept of a deadweight drop the additional tax creates?

    If so it it great mystery why if you have some understanding of economics you wouldn't be opposed to tariffs?

    .....and you what do you mean finally given the green light? Metaphors are meaningless - green light for what? Manufacturing output is at an all time high and you have full employment so what exactly do you think is going to happen or what new opportunities do you see for manufacturers; aside from becoming less globally competitive leading to falling export sales?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Trboatworks View Post
    Isn’t “Communism Bad!!”?

    I mean that’s what they taught us in school...

    Communism: noun
    A system of government where everyone is equal and we all get along because we keep killing off anyone who doesn’t fit in.

    Sounds like a great place.


    “It is astonishing that Communism has been writing about itself in the most open way, in black and white, for 125 years, and even more openly, more candidly in the beginning. The [book:Communist Manifesto|30474, for instance, which everyone knows by name and which almost no one takes the trouble to read, contains even more terrible things than what has actually been done. It is perfectly amazing. The whole world can read, everyone is literate, yet somehow no one wants to understand. Humanity acts as if it does not understand what Communism is, as if it does not want to understand, is not capable of understanding.”
    -A.S.
    One of the things that is taught here is to not believe everything you are told or hear. Question when in doubt.

    Like much else communism in theory is very different to communism in government.

    From your post communism still seems to be regarded as a bogey man by some. Off hand I can't think of a single country that has genuine communism or would even want it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gordon B. Clarke View Post
    One of the things that is taught here is to not believe everything you are told or hear. Question when in doubt...
    The history of what has occurred speaks for itself.
    Solzhenitsyn wasn't trading in heresy after all...

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    QT: [Isn’t “Communism Bad!!”?]

    Communism IMHO is/could be like living under the hard nose king who decides what everybody should have and do. His close friends would more par with him but all the common people would be in the same boat. Incentive to work hard with not getting more benefit might make productivity lower.

    China now seems out of hand with people in Hong Kong upset with the leaders. Who knows where that may lead. likely other China people are upset that Hong Kong people are often better off that they are. Likely/perhaps China leaders will become more strict to continue Communism..that could get very messy. like fighting a war with people having new ideas, invasion of freedom

    Still, common people having a say can lead to very dumb people in power and that can be bad for a country competing with other countries for trade and safety.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Trboatworks View Post
    The history of what has occurred speaks for itself.
    Solzhenitsyn wasn't trading in heresy after all...
    quite correct, The horrors, deaths and torture in just about all socialists nations are hardly heresy. Probably rivals religion in total human horror dispensed. Yet the ignorant ask for such a system. I suppose one could argue its the ensuing tyranny not the socialism/communism that produces the horrors, but history has shown they end up largely hand and hand as the tyranny stems from the centralization of power that is core the socialism/central planning.

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    Iran and China are important news. One or the other could reshape the world...

    Hong Kong gears up for new protests over extradition bill

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    We are entering a period of danger.
    If these attacks were carried out by operatives seeking to inflame tensions.
    Whose?

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    QT: [carried out by operatives] [Whose?]

    Very likely the just Chinese and Hong Kong common people who watch on the internet and get protesting ideas..Watching people in other countries who get results from such actions. Like in one US state where people block interstate highways and get away with such actions.

    Big problem about the world is people resenting the rich, so wanting all the stuff with not putting the toil. TV shows showing the rich and making it seem they are so foolish and undeserving, One show shows the Japanese rich being foolish with too much money.

    Agree the very, very rich are/may seem too rich, but many/most millionaires or so work their but off to have that money/life. I know a few with one or two million and would not trade places with them.

    So China trying to get out of a problem government and many free countries trying to get into a bad government..go figure people are often not very smart.

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    I was referring to the tankers but perhaps applies equally...

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    There are parallels to the feelings of the people of Taiwan and the people on the side of Brexit.

    No one likes "those guys" telling US what to do.

    Now, PRC is feeling powerful. Flexing,, and so too are the people of Taiwan.

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    QT:[Trump just dropped the tariffs on steel and aluminum from Mexico and Canada. It will be interesting to see how, if at all, that affects retail prices on steel.}

    And likely got a trade off that is good for USA jobs..and fair to Canada and Mexico.

    Having USA jobs might cost a little higher prices but people working is better than giving away workers money. and having people with too much time on their hand to make trouble.. and riot because they are not rich.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Trboatworks View Post
    We are entering a period of danger.
    If these attacks were carried out by operatives seeking to inflame tensions.
    Whose?


    Reported attacks on Japan-related tankers occurred while PM @AbeShinzo was meeting with Ayatollah @khamenei_ir for extensive and friendly talks.

    Suspicious doesn't begin to describe what likely transpired this morning.

    Someone might be sending a message...

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    Iotola Khamenei should make a statement that Muslims should not be attacking any oil tankers. Trump should not pick on the Iotola or accuse because that just makes him more hard nose.

    A very good chance the Arabs are behind some of the first tanker attacks just to get something started.. They hate each other so much they would start a war to hurt the other.

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    Hong Kong is not relevant to higher US tariffs.

    China will not cave on us tariffs, with 3.7% of exports by gdp being US.
    The US economy and consumer will start to see some effect in a month or two.
    But US companies see reduced profits immediately, with lower stock market valuations, possibly sharply lower.

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    The trump got mx to cave in, somewhat, seemingly.
    The public tariffs were only the tip of the iceberg.

    Counterpoint:
    The us/mx deal might in fact actually reduce the migrant flow .. perhaps even a lot.

    If mx actually really needs to/ wants to reduce entering southern immigrants, and the US *also* helps economically (critical) and technically (critical) in the source countries, there is no reason guatemala et al cannot reduce immigration by a lot.

    This is *bad* economically for the us.
    The us and cali agribusiness, service sector, hospitality, depend on illegal immigrant workers.
    If immigrants stop arriving, within about a year US agribusiness and cali labour-intensive businesses start to a transition to a modern oecd economy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by michiganbuck View Post
    Still, common people having a say can lead to very dumb people in power and that can be bad for a country competing with other countries for trade and safety.
    I'm wondering if what you meant by that is how I understood it

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    I hate to put down my USA but it seems people here sometimes vote for people based on other than sensible thinking...
    Yes, I don't want to get something started with this.. some other countries are near as bad.

    In China people are hot for change ...but many don't know how the country will work with not having strong leaders... and a change may take a time to work.

    Just voting for the nice guy who is for the people may not work..right off the bat. and a war people verses the government may also not work out overnight.

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    Quote Originally Posted by michiganbuck View Post
    I hate to put own my USA but it seems people here sometimes vote for people based on other than sensible thinking...
    Yes, I don't want to get something started with this.. some other countries are near as bad.
    .
    yeah right, you don't have a an exclusive there. While less crass perhaps, our knob is rather challenged as well. We elected a ski instructor/drama teacher because of curb appeal. Most people are idiots

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    RE: Most/many people are idiot's


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