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    Quote Originally Posted by CarbideBob View Post
    Should we let the soybean farmer in the midwest selling out there go way south.
    From my POV, yes. Same as in the past Australian wheat farmers had to take it in the shorts when the USA export enhancement program (aka dumping) screwed with markets that we used to sell into but couldn't compete with the subsidies.

    You guys have had it so good for so long and used your dominant position to screw over other countries that you think it should continue forever. I do *NOT* like the Chinese take on politics and I also strongly dislike their mercantilist approach to trade, but at least there's one country big enough to give you guys back some of your own medicine. Trump pulled out of the TPP because it wasn't favourable *enough* to US interests. Not that it wasn't weighted in your favour, but the weighting wasn't sufficient. Greed.

    As I keep saying, take a look at your protected sugar market and then claim you've got clean hands.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PDW View Post
    Yeah - that's the thing. As long as China insists on local manufacture with all the opportunities for forced local partnership and transfer of IP...
    But, see, no one has to make stuff in China. No one is holding a gun to Intel's head and saying "You must build chips in Wuxi !" People make the choice to do this, then they snivel about the results.

    You can't have your cake and eat it, too !

    China is pretty smart. They know if they hold out a nickel all the US CEO's will stomp on their own grandmothers racing to grab it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by EmanuelGoldstein View Post
    But, see, no one has to make stuff in China. No one is holding a gun to Intel's head and saying "You must build chips in Wuxi !" People make the choice to do this, then they snivel about the results.
    Oh, I quite agree, once it became clear that the Chinese had zero intention of respecting the IP that their foreign partners brought to the party.

    Now, anyone setting up a joint venture would have to be an idiot if they thought they wouldn't get ripped off. The old adage was that if you wanted to sup with the Devil, you needed a long spoon.

    FWIW China is pissed off with Australia on a number of issues including us blocking Huawei from our 5G build.

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    QT:[Its a well known fact that the Chinese government has been intentionally shifting its economy to higher tech,0

    And China's using the advantage of having so many poor people to back the industry. Not knocking that they are able and smart enough to do so.

    We can't compete with that sitting on our buts so some how we need to become smart enough to hold our position.

    Now that we have went back to low unemployment it seem we are on the right track.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Miguels244 View Post
    Meanwhile farmers are getting 30bln bailout, and still going under.
    More cheap land for the big guys I guess.
    Land??? I think a lot of the fields are under water with all the rain we have been getting this year.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PDW View Post
    FWIW China is pissed off with Australia on a number of issues including us blocking Huawei from our 5G build.
    I could agree with this but who will you use instead ? Cisco ? hahahaha. Those creeps are just as bad, if not worse.

    This pervasive internet communications thing is really dangerous ..... at least relays don't eavesdrop

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    Quote Originally Posted by PDW View Post
    From my POV, yes. Same as in the past Australian wheat farmers had to take it in the shorts when the USA export enhancement program (aka dumping) screwed with markets that we used to sell into but couldn't compete with the subsidies.

    You guys have had it so good for so long and used your dominant position to screw over other countries that you think it should continue forever. I do *NOT* like the Chinese take on politics and I also strongly dislike their mercantilist approach to trade, but at least there's one country big enough to give you guys back some of your own medicine. Trump pulled out of the TPP because it wasn't favourable *enough* to US interests. Not that it wasn't weighted in your favour, but the weighting wasn't sufficient. Greed.

    As I keep saying, take a look at your protected sugar market and then claim you've got clean hands.

    PDW
    He pulled out of the TPP for domestic political reasons.
    The same reason he does everything.

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    Quote Originally Posted by EmanuelGoldstein View Post
    I could agree with this but who will you use instead ? Cisco ? hahahaha. Those creeps are just as bad, if not worse.

    This pervasive internet communications thing is really dangerous ..... at least relays don't eavesdrop
    Do you know the story of the automated phone switch?
    The wife of an undertaker was the operator in a small town and she refused to connect anyon with the other undertaker.
    So he invented the system.
    Net neutrality.
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    Regardless of your, or my, feelings of personal safety in Mexico City, how are actual foreign investors reacting to Mexico, in terms of building factories?[/QUOTE]

    Questions that you could ask is how stable over time is their investment given the crime rate. How do you attract the best people either internally or externally when you have very skilled workers from Mexico afraid to live in Mexico. The crime rate in Mexico is relevant to prolonged investment and will take its toll on profits and staff. Like Emanuel I was surprised that the person I work with did not want to live in Mexico.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dave D View Post
    Regardless of your, or my, feelings of personal safety in Mexico City, how are actual foreign investors reacting to Mexico, in terms of building factories?
    Questions that you could ask is how stable over time is their investment given the crime rate. How do you attract the best people either internally or externally when you have very skilled workers from Mexico afraid to live in Mexico. The crime rate in Mexico is relevant to prolonged investment and will take its toll on profits and staff. Like Emanuel I was surprised that the person I work with did not want to live in Mexico.

    Dave[/QUOTE]

    Good thing the USA is totally crime free eh?

    Just because trump says something doesn't mean it's true. Most likely the converse is true. I just spent part of my winter near Mexico and actually didn't feel any less safe there than I do in the USA. My wife and I visited Mexico several times while we were there and aside from the area being very poor I didn't have a problem with it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Miguels244 View Post
    Do you know the story of the automated phone switch?
    The wife of an undertaker was the operator in a small town and she refused to connect anyon with the other undertaker.
    It's a cute story but a bit hard to take literally. A town of 50,000 with ONE operator ? And he was going broke because she transferred ALL the calls to her husband ? Mmmm.

    The first time I did a job in China we had an Ernestine, btw. It was kinda funny. You had to yell into the phone and all that, like being in a movie from the twenties

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    Quote Originally Posted by EmanuelGoldstein View Post
    It's a cute story but a bit hard to take literally. A town of 50,000 with ONE operator ? And he was going broke because she transferred ALL the calls to her husband ? Mmmm.

    The first time I did a job in China we had an Ernestine, btw. It was kinda funny. You had to yell into the phone and all that, like being in a movie from the twenties
    Well...
    He did invent and install the first automatic switching systems.
    If we consider geography, it’s not at all unlikely the undertakers were in proximity, making the last operator in the link the arbiter...regardless of the origin.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Big B View Post
    Good thing the USA is totally crime free eh?

    Just because trump says something doesn't mean it's true. Most likely the converse is true. I just spent part of my winter near Mexico and actually didn't feel any less safe there than I do in the USA. My wife and I visited Mexico several times while we were there and aside from the area being very poor I didn't have a problem with it.
    Well it's like totally safe here.
    What do you say to your workers showing up wearing this below to work? There are Flint and Detroit versions
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    Good thing the USA is totally crime free eh?

    Big B, if you read my posts in this thread, not at all what I said. If you choose to cherry pick only the last post, then I still don't see where I said the USA was crime free.


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    Quote Originally Posted by CarbideBob View Post
    Well it's like totally safe here.
    What do you say to your workers showing up wearing this below to work? There are Flint and Detroit versions
    Bob
    Back in my working days I visited union halls in Flint and Saginaw. I still remember the sign on the one in Flint: You must consent to a pat down search to enter this building". I also remember the signs in the parking lots at the GM plants. "It's OK of you want to drive a foreign car but park it somewhere else". This was probably 25 years ago when the Japanese were eating our lunch so to speak.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dave D View Post
    Good thing the USA is totally crime free eh?

    Big B, if you read my posts in this thread, not at all what I said. If you choose to cherry pick only the last post, then I still don't see where I said the USA was crime free.


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    Dave, You kind of made is sound like Mexico has a terrible crime problem. I was just pointing out that they aren't the only ones.

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    Fair enough, I really wasn't trying to vilify Mexico. I realise that there is more than enough crime elsewhere.

    Emanuel's experience (Mexican people living in China are afraid to go home) hit a chord as it was consistent with what I was told. I know that most in North America will find something to complain about, politics, the economy etc. but I've yet to hear someone in the USA or Canada say that they are afraid to return to their home country, not regular people at least (not including Edward Snowden, etc. in this list).

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    Yep...
    Escorted between the plant and the hotel in Mexico.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Miguels244 View Post
    Yep...
    Escorted between the plant and the hotel in Mexico.
    Did you think this escort needed when you were on the ground or company policy and paranoid fear?
    Did all that make you worry more about your surroundings for no good reason. If you say no you you are lying.
    Five guys around you with heavy weapons which make you think bad things even when there is none.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Miguels244 View Post
    Yep...
    Escorted between the plant and the hotel in Mexico.
    Not the only place, my wife gets provided with a couple of armed guards when she does audits on some places in the Philippines. Kidnapped Westerners are such bad PR you know.

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