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    Quote Originally Posted by Miguels244 View Post
    Yes indeed, there is a great deal of “shit” getting done.
    I’ll just stare with tripling the deficit.
    Tripled?
    Already?
    In such short time?
    Citation needed puuulease!

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    Quote Originally Posted by thermite View Post
    LOL! "specific" they may be. Also nonsensical "bu ci".

    But jest keep watchin' the world through those solid "billet" eyeglasses, Pilgrim!

    Vladimir Vladimirovich has had the great benefit of watching Putinstan's per-capita GDP drop off the back of "whatever is left" - after sanctions - to just below that of Mauritius!

    Muscovy began their run with "Prince" Alexander Nevsky - basically a local bandit - in thrall to an Asiatic despot. Vlad has managed to bring Putinstan full-circle. China's rent-boy, once again.

    What a marvelous dedication to history!
    Have to wonder how they’d be doing without sanctions.

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    Quote Originally Posted by barbter View Post
    Tripled?
    Already?
    In such short time?
    Citation needed puuulease!
    Trump's Big "Win": The Largest Budget Deficit With A Strong Economy

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    Quote Originally Posted by camscan View Post
    Bad info,that was a book about plague etc.
    Or a movie about the AIDS crisis...
    But the root os the band on the titanic.

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    I am just glad that the colonists were able to keep those Redcoats out of the airports.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hanermo View Post
    I don´t understand Your post, as in what You might critisize or wish to change.

    Harrasing the russians is obviously idiotic.
    They are a major economy,
    They were at one time. Now they aren't even a match for any of the top five US states, taken one at a time. Or maybe not even greater LA.

    and the 2nd nuclear armed power in the world.
    Sounds like a damned good reason to help them screw their twisted selves slowly into the ground to me.

    <noise trimmed>

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    So do you know how to read that?

    1. There is and is nowhere on that graph anything close to a tripling. Put that one to rest Miguel- it's pure bullshit.

    2. The increase that is projected is based on certain assumptions: That GDP growth is static at 1.8%. That interest rates return to the historic levels of ~5%. Both of those assumptions- so far, have been wrong.

    3. They authors are using the current policy baseline, rather than the current law baseline. This is the most pessimistic view the CBO makes wrt deficits, because (among other things) it assumes a continuous, across the board increase in spending of 3.5%, and no expiration of the tax cuts that are in the current law.

    IOW, it's fortune telling. Even if it were true, it would still be nowhere close to tripling.

    These were the actuals, expressed as a percent of GDP:

    2016 3.2%
    2017 3.5%
    2018 3.9%

    If you go back and look at the projections from the Obama administration, it was always projected to go down after 2009, bottoming out in 2016, then going back up steady after that. Mostly due to budget gimmicry- trust fund accounting, moving expenses from one year to the next, etc.

    Your talking point exploded on the launch pad Miguel- you're going to have to come up with another line.

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    Quote Originally Posted by barbter View Post
    Tripled?
    Already?
    In such short time?
    Citation needed puuulease!
    It's up around ten-percent, inauguration to date. A bit over 2 trillion of 22 trillion.

    Official projections might triple the INCREASE if he goes a full 8 years.

    Or not. Economy is up, taxes collected are up, adjusted rates or no.

    https://www.businessinsider.com/trum...clinton-2019-2

    It's the clown-car full of "free STUFF" wankers that would far more than treble the debt.

    If Congress would let them.

    Which they will-never... which is why they figure it a safe pack of idjut-bait....

    ... given how hard it is to get even the tax-and-spend Democrats to agree to fund toothpaste, beds, food, and "Oh, BTW" - common-as-coffee-cups "prison cell" toilet combos with built-in water-fountains and hand-wash basins.

    Those are handy for use in a tight corner of a lot of our shops, too, BTW. Just rather pricey.

    Toilet Sink Combo | Stainless Steel Comby Units - Jail Toilets - Acorn Engineering

    They have competition. Plenty of it. Even Grainger carries this stuff.

    AOC's "drink out of the TOILET" problem is simple ignorance. She hasn't yet spent enough time in a decently equipped JAIL CELL. Sumbudy otta remedy that, if only for educational purposes. Or even just the reduction in noise-pollution?

    Two year term in the house of reprehensibles means you were elected. Not necessarily gifted with a functioning BRAIN.

    That part used to be more bi-partisan if nowt ELSE was. Democratisch National Commissariat must have ceased rationing stupid pills?


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    Quote Originally Posted by PDW View Post
    They never seem to grasp that the voters understood those policies all right - and rejected them.

    PDW
    This is as natural as permutations, probabilities, and statistics ever since Sumer had that little water problem will show.

    - A "class" of parasites evolves that is adapted to selling lies to fools. It seems to work well, and last a long time, so they double-down on it, one round after another.

    - meanwhile, the "fools' in question do not have the benefit of a "hooverment paycheck", nor "free" anything but whip-welts, tax-receipts, and withdrawal pains in the arse. The least among them has to scramble at least a LITTLE BIT for even a non-greedy and very modest and humble crust.

    - Sure 'nuf, the "fools" AKA "food" evolve survival skills faster than their parasites. Not to mention grossly OUTNUMBER them.

    It isn't long before the parasites - still trying to sell gift-wrapped manure - lose-out because even the most willing among their former victims have gone ahead of them on basic grocery-store 'rithmetic.

    Once "wised-up" IOW, however feebly, it comes to be enough until a WHOLE NEW SET of parasites is spawned.

    As it will be... that much is a certainty, too. Ever since Sumer had their little water problem.

    Probably a long time before, as well, but there you have it. That flood laid down so much debris there ain't much surviving record of older-yet civilizations.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gustafson View Post
    All of them

    First, go look up Warren's positions and plans and discuss or attack those as you wish , rather than make up positions you imagine she might take.

    trumpski cancelled the plan to keep Iran from going nuclear. Was it the best plan one could imagine? No. But now, guess what, there is no plan, and the dullard in chief is doing exactly what it takes to create a nuclear armed Iran, threatening them.

    the census is designed to be non partisan, and fairly keep track of the population, anything that interferes with that is contrary to the constitution, but as long as yoru side 'wins' who cares, right?


    trumpski has done everything to legitimize a tin pot dictator, has looked the fool, and gotten precisely nothing, zero, for kowtowing to him


    Costly accords? whatever. Just don't whine when we have no say in anything that gets done internationally as we pulled out of these costly accords

    Rule of law is fine, creating concentration camps is not. We as a country get to determine what the rule of law is, not one orange skinned punk
    OK, I wasn't talking about the indian girl. Not going to.
    You neither. you can't fix stupid.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Miguels244 View Post
    We had that plan for Iran.
    Trump broke our word.

    NK is still testing and building.
    Fox and friends gave President Obama shit for being willing to talk.


    The plan where children are kept in prison camps and we pay 750 per day to private prisons?

    Oh, citizenship never left the census, it was on the follow up.
    Guess what though, the constitution says nothing except count the people.
    Representatives shall be apportioned among the several States according to their respective numbers, counting the whole number of persons in each State, excluding Indians not taxed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Miguels244 View Post
    You know they still chant “lock her up” at trump rallies.
    Don't go to those rallies! They will mess with your head.

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    Quote Originally Posted by thermite View Post
    It's up around ten-percent, inauguration to date. A bit over 2 trillion of 22 trillion.

    Official projections might triple the INCREASE if he goes a full 8 years.
    That would be total debt rather than deficit. A better measure, imo because it includes the trust fund debt and off-budget supplementals.

    $2.06 Trillion more debt, so far under Trump. Average $991 Billion/yr.

    Obama entered office with total debt $10.6 Trillion and left with $19.9 Trillion. That's an 8-year average of $1.16 Trillion/yr.

    If you look at debt as a percentage of GDP, When Obama entered office it was 77.3%. When he left office it was 103.6%.

    Under Trump it has risen to 104.1%. That is a much slower rate of increase than we saw from Obama.

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    Don't forget

    One man's debt is another man's investment.

    Wouldn't want your four OH ! Kay to go sour now would you?
    It's all tied together some where.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CalG View Post
    OK, I wasn't talking about the indian girl. Not going to.
    You neither. you can't fix stupid.
    If she gets elected I want my free pony to be an appaloosa.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jancollc View Post
    That would be total debt rather than deficit. A better measure, imo because it includes the trust fund debt and off-budget supplementals.

    $2.06 Trillion more debt, so far under Trump. Average $991 Billion/yr.

    Obama entered office with total debt $10.6 Trillion and left with $19.9 Trillion. That's an 8-year average of $1.16 Trillion/yr.

    If you look at debt as a percentage of GDP, When Obama entered office it was 77.3%. When he left office it was 103.6%.

    Under Trump it has risen to 104.1%. That is a much slower rate of increase than we saw from Obama.
    When.. we still HAD mortgages on our residences.. the US ones alone had always started out at a high percentage (VA loans).

    Long time now with no mortgages. Last auto-loan was mid 1980's 'coz new(ish) cars carry silly-stupid taxes whilst decent used cars can be bought for cash, bear little or NO Personal Property Tax.

    So.. the only number I much care about is this one:

    • U.S. national debt per capita 1990-2018 | Statista

    Figuring "per capita" includes innocent babes, and less-innocent unfortunates, if ever it had to be paid-off in a single year, I'd get hit with about four times that ~ $65,000 figure. Maybe even six times.

    About 60% - mebbe more - of what the tax man sez our modest 3 BR US home is worth.

    I can deal with either number and still live OK, even eat reg'lar-like.

    Mind.. it took 'til age 49 to get to that point, feel safe enuf to retire early.

    So.. "Your Mileage May Vary"

    I'm also old enough to remember.. when a "liberal" genuinely was. And added value to humanknd.

    The current crop of wannabee "Democratic Socialists"? Not related.

    Whiners. losers. Looters, even - or wish to become such.

    Not a "liberal" among the lot of 'em.

    Even LESS so, their "base".

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    Quote Originally Posted by jancollc View Post
    That would be total debt rather than deficit. A better measure, imo because it includes the trust fund debt and off-budget supplementals.

    $2.06 Trillion more debt, so far under Trump. Average $991 Billion/yr.

    Obama entered office with total debt $10.6 Trillion and left with $19.9 Trillion. That's an 8-year average of $1.16 Trillion/yr.

    If you look at debt as a percentage of GDP, When Obama entered office it was 77.3%. When he left office it was 103.6%.

    Under Trump it has risen to 104.1%. That is a much slower rate of increase than we saw from Obama.
    Remember, the House controls spending and ran on CR includining the bush tax cuts.
    You can credit him with spending 900m in stimulus...passed under bush BTW.
    About half of which were tax cuts.
    Also credit him for the sequester which stabilized spending.

    OTOH trump passed tax cuts and spending increases.

    Don’t forget Obama entered office with a recession skewing GDP numbers down, trump entered on a record setting growth trend.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jancollc View Post
    If she gets elected I want my free pony to be an appaloosa.
    I just want my tax dollars spent on helping the younguns be successful so I can collect my pension.

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    To be fair and compassionate to the rest of the would we need wide open borders and give to all the incoming head of each house hold $2.000per month if they can’t find a job, and a bonus of $1,000 if they are working. To be fair to the whole world include china and India people and all others who feel oppressed of unhappy.

    To all USA Citizens over 18 give a side bonus of $1.000 per month to all rich or poor.

    Give free college to any who wish to do that along with a living wage while they are increasing their education.

    Likely taxes won’t be enough so we can conscript all property and assets of US citizens and let them re pay for it with that money going to the give away fund.

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    Quote Originally Posted by michiganbuck View Post
    To be fair and compassionate to the rest of the would we need wide open borders and give to all the incoming head of each house hold $2.000per month if they can’t find a job, and a bonus of $1,000 if they are working. To be fair to the whole world include china and India people and all others who feel oppressed of unhappy.

    To all USA Citizens over 18 give a side bonus of $1.000 per month to all rich or poor.

    Give free college to any who wish to do that along with a living wage while they are increasing their education.

    Likely taxes won’t be enough so we can conscript all property and assets of US citizens and let them re pay for it with that money going to the give away fund.
    I like it! Where do the tariffs come in?


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