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    Quote Originally Posted by PDW View Post
    Just don't air-brush out or revise history.
    I'm not revising history. thermite is.

    You probably were not in the US for the runup to the Iraq invasion but I was. The only mention of chemical weapons was the "he gassed his own people !" refrain. If we went around the world invading everywhere that did that we'd be a busy bunch of beavers. And in fact, we supported Hussein "gassing his own people" as our strategy to beat up on Iran. Most of what Hussein had, came from the US. He was our best buddy until he gave a contract to the Rooskies to build a pipeline, which cost Mr Rumsfeld a pretty penny.

    But I digress. ALL of the propaganda was nukular weapons. A-bombs. Not M-80's flushed down the toilet after a spring rain, the Big One. Threat to the middle east in particular Israel. From the yellow cake lies to the aluminum tubing, it was all about Hussein's nukular plans and underground factories, ready to devastate the world.

    All lies.

    Georgie Porgie had it in for Hussein for personal reasons. Saddam had nothing to do with 9/11 and pretty much every claim presented to Congress was an out-and-out fabrication. Even the CIA (privately) said George was full of shit.

    Shades of 1250 and the French kings ... an IQ over 12 should be a prereqisite for election to Congress.

    Sorry. I was there. I am not the one revising history. George W Bush should have been hanged for treason and Congress should have been fired, almost all of them. A third-grader could have seen through that crap.

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    Quote Originally Posted by barbter View Post
    Exactly the same with my old town in the south of England.
    And now my parents can't get to see a doctors appointment in less than 8 weeks...
    Well me and Sami and Sami and I are not going to tell you where your parents should move to.

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    Quote Originally Posted by EmanuelGoldstein View Post

    Georgie Porgie had it in for Hussein for personal reasons. Saddam had nothing to do with 9/11 and pretty much every claim presented to Congress was an out-and-out fabrication. Even the CIA (privately) said George was full of shit.
    All true and in no way invalidates the fact that Hussein had WMD. He didn't have *that* WMD, but he had others and used them.

    As for 9/11 the entire world knows that it was done by a bunch of Saudis and the USA with Bush as Prez squibbed it on holding them responsible.

    Just don't drag us into the next war with Iran. I'm over it. Pox on all of them including Israel.

    PDW

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    Quote Originally Posted by PDW View Post
    All true and in no way invalidates the fact that Hussein had WMD. He didn't have *that* WMD, but he had others and used them.

    As for 9/11 the entire world knows that it was done by a bunch of Saudis and the USA with Bush as Prez squibbed it on holding them responsible.

    Just don't drag us into the next war with Iran. I'm over it. Pox on all of them including Israel.

    PDW
    Uhhh there were not really any WMD found

    Now Saddam did like to play the big man and lie about what he did and did not have, but in the end they found little to nothing

    A few percent of the previous stockpile amounting to the change one would find in the couch cushions

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    Quote Originally Posted by PDW View Post

    Just don't drag us into the next war with Iran. I'm over it. Pox on all of them including Israel.
    Once again religion raises its ugly head. If the US did that it would remove a lot of problems, kind of like hey lets disassemble the lighting rod....but there is a lot of people, wealth and power with with divided loyalties.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gustafson View Post
    Uhhh there were not really any WMD found
    Deflection. I never said there were any found, I said Hussein unquestionably had some WMD in the form of chemical weapons. He used them on his own population and the Iranians.

    For fuck's sake, are you people so bloody politically biased that you can't recognise and acknowledge a fact when there's the historic evidence there to demonstrate it?

    I'm not trying to justify the invasion of Iraq, I'm merely saying that Hussein *DID* at one point possess WMD. Saying he didn't is just outright bullshit. If you're going to deny something like that, what other inconvenient facts are you willing to ignore to maintain a partisan position?

    PDW

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    Quote Originally Posted by PDW View Post
    Deflection. I never said there were any found, I said Hussein unquestionably had some WMD in the form of chemical weapons. He used them on his own population and the Iranians.

    For fuck's sake, are you people so bloody politically biased that you can't recognise and acknowledge a fact when there's the historic evidence there to demonstrate it?

    I'm not trying to justify the invasion of Iraq, I'm merely saying that Hussein *DID* at one point possess WMD. Saying he didn't is just outright bullshit. If you're going to deny something like that, what other inconvenient facts are you willing to ignore to maintain a partisan position?

    PDW
    He clearly did not in the context of Gulf 2

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    Quote Originally Posted by PDW View Post
    what other inconvenient facts are you willing to ignore to maintain a partisan position?
    surely you jest, the answer is clearly (in both directions) any and all

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    Quote Originally Posted by PDW View Post
    Deflection. I never said there were any found, I said Hussein unquestionably had some WMD in the form of chemical weapons.
    That was not the "weapons of mass destruction" given as a cause for invasion to the US Congress. The WMD in question were most certainly a claimed program to produce nuclear weapons.

    Claiming that old stores of chemical weapons count is ignoring the fact that this was not the reason given for the invasion.

    The reasons given for invading were flat-out lies. Fabrications. Untruths. I'd say fantasies but that implies that the Bush Administration had an imagination.

    They invented that crap so that the US would illegally, unethically and immorally invade a sovereign country. This is exactly what the founders of the US were adamantly opposed to (dangling preposition be damned !)

    It was treason. Literally.

    The pseudo-justification of torture was beneath contempt.

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    Quote Originally Posted by camscan View Post
    Well me and Sami and Sami and I are not going to tell you where your parents should move to.
    I got a call today. It was from the office of the local internal medicine specialist.
    The followup to a physical I had a week and a half ago provided a referral.

    I made the appointment for the next available open office visit.
    July 23. It's the 10th today. That's two weeks, shy a day.

    Sounds OK for something that may be significant to me.

    The US medical system does work... in a way.

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    Quote Originally Posted by EmanuelGoldstein View Post
    The pseudo-justification of torture was beneath contempt.
    "Beneath Contempt" is your business registration, then? Or is it your postal address?

    Your mad-dog spew is certainly torturous enough to rate....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Milland View Post
    Your post (#916) on DOW 30K, you still think so? You never responded to my post (#918) betting you that it won't.

    Milland,
    The number 1 rule in investing is to never short sell the NYSE.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PDW View Post
    Deflection. I never said there were any found, I said Hussein unquestionably had some WMD in the form of chemical weapons. He used them on his own population and the Iranians.

    For fuck's sake, are you people so bloody politically biased that you can't recognise and acknowledge a fact when there's the historic evidence there to demonstrate it?

    I'm not trying to justify the invasion of Iraq, I'm merely saying that Hussein *DID* at one point possess WMD. Saying he didn't is just outright bullshit. If you're going to deny something like that, what other inconvenient facts are you willing to ignore to maintain a partisan position?

    PDW
    I love this

    deflection indeed

    So he had some form of WMD, but we didn't find any but he did have some WMD and that is the

    WTF


    total and utter BS

    There IS historic evidence of the fact that no significant amounts of WMD were found that had not been turned over as agreed

    you are so biased that you cannot understand facts or history


    Hussein did have WMD, but had turned them over, there was not justification for war, it was a farce, made up, fiction


    you are the one with the nakedly partisan, anti history position


    Now, if you wanted to take the position that Hussein caused his own demise by refusing to fully cooperate and by implying he still had WMDs when he didn't, for his own internal political reasons, believing we would not invade, that would be a sensible position. But to pretend Bush had actual reasons to invade is silly

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    Quote Originally Posted by gustafson View Post
    I love this

    deflection indeed

    So he had some form of WMD, but we didn't find any but he did have some WMD and that is the

    WTF


    total and utter BS

    There IS historic evidence of the fact that no significant amounts of WMD were found that had not been turned over as agreed

    you are so biased that you cannot understand facts or history


    Hussein did have WMD, but had turned them over, there was not justification for war, it was a farce, made up, fiction


    you are the one with the nakedly partisan, anti history position


    Now, if you wanted to take the position that Hussein caused his own demise by refusing to fully cooperate and by implying he still had WMDs when he didn't, for his own internal political reasons, believing we would not invade, that would be a sensible position. But to pretend Bush had actual reasons to invade is silly
    To respond to your last paragraph first, kindly quote me where I said or implied anything of the sort.

    You can't because I never did.

    You have acknowledged that I am correct. You have acknowledged that Hussein *DID* have WMD.

    Nowhere did I say or imply that he had functional or significant quantities of them at the time that Bush II started the 2nd Iraqi war. That bit is a figment of your imagination or you are trying to deflect from WHAT I ACTUALLY WROTE because you can't bring yourself to actually read what's written rather than what you'd like to see written. Or you have some form of cognitive impairment that prevents you from doing so, who knows.

    In short I am right and you have admitted that I am right. Hussein both possessed & used WMD and the historical evidence is there to to show that. He used them on the Kurds and the Iranians.

    Now do everyone a favour, shut up and move on. I have nothing but contempt for people who can't admit it when they're wrong.

    PDW

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    Note:- President Sadam. Not president Hussein.

    I suspect the point of the argument is that President Bush and Prime minister B-liar were claiming that Sadam possessed chemical and/or biological weapons that could (for instance) reach British troops in Cyprus in 45 minutes. He did not, and never did have offensive weaponry that was a credible threat to the western powers. The whole war was predicated on lies and a desire to strike out at a perceived threat that was not relevant (yes he was an utter cunt, but he kept the country in a better condition than it has been at any time since then). A bit like the current build up around Iran.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PDW View Post
    Deflection. I never said there were any found, I said Hussein unquestionably had some WMD in the form of chemical weapons. He used them on his own population and the Iranians.

    For fuck's sake, are you people so bloody politically biased that you can't recognise and acknowledge a fact when there's the historic evidence there to demonstrate it?

    I'm not trying to justify the invasion of Iraq, I'm merely saying that Hussein *DID* at one point possess WMD. Saying he didn't is just outright bullshit. If you're going to deny something like that, what other inconvenient facts are you willing to ignore to maintain a partisan position?

    PDW
    there you go

    You idiot


    It would appear you have learned about the gulf war from reading, well, who the hell knows, but you never finished it

    Saddam, at the point of the US invasion did NOT have WMDS. While some small amounts were about it was some tiny fraction of his original stores, and not at all the quantities required to trigger an all out assault on a country


    It was lies by Bush and his cronies

    Bush Lied about Saddam's possession of WMDs ad the time of the invasion

    period

    full stop


    Saddam's past possession of WMD's did not justify a multi billion dollar assault that we are still paying for

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    I *think* Cheney (Halliburton) was the only one that done real good out of the war...

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    Quote Originally Posted by otrlt View Post
    The number 1 rule in investing is to never short sell the NYSE.
    Rule number one is to be on the right side of the trade.

    There is plenty of room for short or long positions.
    A old saw is that ‘the markets can remain irrational longer than you can remain solvent’..

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    Quote Originally Posted by Trboatworks View Post

    There is plenty of room for short or long positions..
    For me, the short trade is incredibly dangerous. It is a tool, but in my opinion; why gamble on gambling?

    For those that want to proceed on shorting, do so with extreme caution.

    Most investors get slaughtered on this tactic, but for those that do want to go out on the edge; invest in the highest shorted NYSE stocks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by otrlt View Post
    For me, the short trade is incredibly dangerous. It is a tool, but in my opinion; why gamble on gambling?

    For those that want to proceed on shorting, do so with extreme caution.

    Most investors get slaughtered on this tactic, but for those that do want to go out on the edge; invest in the highest shorted NYSE stocks.
    A while back the New New Thing was the Chinese stock market and all these emerging tiger economy companies. There were dozens of "market analysts" touting new stocks.

    An acquaintance of mine was one of them, but there got to be so many that he couldn't make any money. So he'd short a stock then go expose that company as a fraud. They were all frauds. He made a ton that way.

    The stock market is one giant con game. The carnies win, the marks lose.


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