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    SNR of thread <= -20dB.

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    this place is truly disgusting.

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    Quote Originally Posted by barbter View Post
    Oh okay, but just the one...



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    Quote Originally Posted by iwananew10K View Post
    this place is truly disgusting.
    Yabbut, we ARE machinists!

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    For anyone who thinks that a trade deal can be made, you'll have to wait.

    Meanwhile, tariffs will be imposed on September 1.

    My guess is that the Chinese won't give in, until there on their knees.

    For investors, the NYSE will go to fresh new highs in October.

    Go figure.

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    Quote Originally Posted by otrlt View Post
    For anyone who thinks that a trade deal can be made, you'll have to wait.
    Meanwhile, tariffs will be imposed on September 1.

    My guess is that the Chinese won't give in, until there on their knees.
    They aren't going to go to their knees. Nor even bow heads.

    They have made superb USE of the US market... more use yet of purloined tech, all manner of espionage, and lopsided deals with all-too willing alleged "victims".

    But they are not desperate for, nor bedrock dependent on, any of that to "get along" when no other trading partner on-planet has raised even the least significant of barriers.

    So why do you think they will EVER give in?

    DJT doesn't expect it.

    His "Job One" is simply weaning our own lazy opportunist class of alleged decision-makers off one of the stupidly suicidal flavors of the dumb-greed kool-aid.

    No fear. We are already finding others, most of them equally suicidal.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Spinit View Post
    I consider that a compliment. So far y’all are just spinning your wheels complaining. Get over it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by thermite View Post
    They aren't going to go to their knees. Nor even bow heads.
    They will succumb.

    Their game. that they have being playing is over.

    US Manufacturing is powering forward, at a rate that I have never seen before.

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    Quote Originally Posted by otrlt View Post
    They will succumb.

    Their game. that they have being playing is over.

    US Manufacturing is powering forward, at a rate that I have never seen before.
    "Succumb" is a foolish term. It is NOT a "zero sum" game.

    NO economy HAS to be "numbah ONE" for their populace to have a good life. It can make more sense to be far less attractive a target for the haters and baiters.

    One could argue, for example, that Norway does OK, Uruguay can be a nice place to live - or for-sure that the average Swiss - and not-only - is better-off than the average American.

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    Quote Originally Posted by barbter View Post
    Oh okay, but just the one...



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    And soon got the name of The Psycho-Jock

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    To be a one legged man in an arse kicking competition...

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    Quote Originally Posted by thermite View Post
    Tariffs are "not good".

    However.. sometimes the alternatives are even LESS "good".

    So US consumers and businesses are the real "payers" of tariffs on Chinese goods. True. But only if they BUY Chinese goods. Avoidance of such purchases is getting easier by the week. The tariffs paid by those who insist on Chinese goods can be paid out against the needs of all citizens.

    The Chinese don't pay those tariffs, either. All they have to do to avoid them is not SELL to the USA. That, too, is getting easier by the week.

    Same situation, Chinese tariffs on US goods. No effect if the goods are not sold to them to begin with.


    Side effects? Yes. Surely.

    But are they a bad thing?

    Discussion abounds. Criticism, even.

    What part of that is "hidden" in any way?
    You take a junkie cold turkey off heroin and they will suffer form severy withdrawal, Only a slow weening off will get you where you need to be. This Trump headspace will hurt real bad.


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    Quote Originally Posted by dcsipo View Post
    You take a junkie cold turkey off heroin and they will suffer form severy withdrawal, Only a slow weening off will get you where you need to be. This Trump headspace will hurt real bad.


    dee
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    Hurt WHOM "real bad"?

    China was already coming off the steep part of the growth curve and onto the plateau, hitting walls of their own making over dodgy support of SOE's and opaque financing.

    What matters is they have gotten it "right enough" they'll not starve nor massacre a few tens of millions of their own kin .... as they used to do with dreadful regularity.

    Whatever hood-ornament they've badged their hooverment with, "Xi dynasty", perhaps? - that's a seriously important milestone in a very long history of far worse behaviour.

    Moreover, "great firewall" notwithstanding, their populace are good at building "ladders" as they call them, ("hint" the CCP doesn't hold a patent on brains..) and also travel. Rather a lot. So are worldly-aware "ENOUGH", and have enough to LOSE, and know that..to be far harder to fool into marching to a collective drumbeat into tragic blood and bullets wars.

    Patience, grasshopper. They'll have to sort all that themselves.

    Not that we have an empty task list, either, sorting our own patch, yah?

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    Quote Originally Posted by iwananew10K View Post
    this place is truly disgusting.
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    None of it meant maliciously, but just giving back what is given out.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dcsipo View Post
    This whole thread is like a bunch of atheists going to church. It will not make anyone happy, and it usually ends in a food fight.
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    Quote Originally Posted by otrlt View Post
    For anyone who thinks that a trade deal can be made, you'll have to wait.

    Meanwhile, tariffs will be imposed on September 1.

    My guess is that the Chinese won't give in, until there on their knees.

    For investors, the NYSE will go to fresh new highs in October.
    And I thought they quit making quaaludes years ago ...

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    Quote Originally Posted by dcsipo View Post
    You take a junkie cold turkey off heroin and they will suffer form severy withdrawal, Only a slow weening off will get you where you need to be. This Trump headspace will hurt real bad.


    dee
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    10% isn't going to hurt them. You guys will still buy the stuff when it goes up 12.5% (importers have to make a buck out of it too you know) and Trump has more tax dollars to spend.

    All without raising income or corporate taxes.

    And you guys applaud.

    I'm slowly revising my opinion of Trump - he's playing the US public like a virtuoso. You all would be screaming bloody revolution if he tried to institute a national 10% sales tax but call it a tariff and you're all over it.

    Too funny.

    PDW

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    Quote Originally Posted by PDW View Post

    I'm slowly revising my opinion of Trump - he's playing the US public like a virtuoso. You all would be screaming bloody revolution if he tried to institute a national 10% sales tax but call it a tariff and you're all over it.

    Too funny.

    PDW
    I thought (and voiced) that at the very start - only to be told I was talking out of my ass, ………..really?

    Unfortunately, it looks like us Brits could be in for a dose of similar medicine.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PDW View Post
    10% isn't going to hurt them. You guys will still buy the stuff when it goes up 12.5% (importers have to make a buck out of it too you know) and Trump has more tax dollars to spend.

    All without raising income or corporate taxes.

    And you guys applaud.

    I'm slowly revising my opinion of Trump - he's playing the US public like a virtuoso. You all would be screaming bloody revolution if he tried to institute a national 10% sales tax but call it a tariff and you're all over it.

    Too funny.

    PDW
    C'mon... we luv it because it is near-as-dammit 100% avoidable, no effort, no paperwork. And easily 100% avoidable, small effort AND, AND, AND fugsover the opportunistic Big Corp bastids as moved their factories offshore outta greed in the first damned place ... plus does NOT much bug we chickn's atall.

    Pair of flip-flpps or ephemeral plastic beach toys for kids goes up a few cents until a Vietnamese factory has displaced a Chinese one? Lost in the noise. That's the "payback" when "cheaper than" was the main edge to market entry, and we REALLY wanted better goods all along.

    My handheld is a Kyocera, replacing a Samsung, no HuaWei nor Apple, either one. Old (very old) Lenovo was Chinese, newer Acer is Taiwanese. So is the half-bottle of sesame oil in the kitchen. The unopened one next to it was grown and pressed in the USA by a firm run by a Chinese AMERICAN family who were "imported" themselves generations ago.

    Japanese sticky rice is grown by ethnic Koreans in California, Chinese veg raised in Florida, my Roaring Forties Blue is grown from the spores on a downunder offshore island where the cows don't speak a work of Chinese, and not a Hell of a lot more Australian, either.

    Hobgoblin, Bombardier, London Pride ales and stout, likewise Chivers marmelade all come from one of the Urdu-speaking offshore islands, somewhere off the coast of France where everyone whose surname doesn't have a hiccup in the middle of it calls themselves a "Patel".

    We are not REALLY a nation of 100% dependence on Chinese imports!

    Already below 20% and dropping off 2018's 21.2% of our economy. Only 18% of China's exports came this way. That, too will drop... and/or get cheaper, not more dear.

    DJT "plays us like a viruoso" by doing the UNHEARD OF for politicians. Sneaky bastid cheats.

    All the while he is running his mouth and exercising his twitter-hole, he actually has spies that listen to what it is we WANT an whither... helicopters to the front of the parade, and pretends to be leading it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Limy Sami View Post
    I thought (and voiced) that at the very start - only to be told I was talking out of my ass, ………..really?

    Unfortunately, it looks like us Brits could be in for a dose of similar medicine.
    There there Sami - we'll still sell you Fosters and VB. It's not like Aussies have any use for the stuff after all.

    On tariffs for imports into the UK, that's totally under the control of your elected representatives. We know how that works out in practice..... 100% tariffs on Aussie lamb comes to mind, plus a quota.

    Though I've considerable sympathy with protecting domestic food production, up to the point where any excess gets exported.

    For sure I won't buy anything claimed to be edible that comes out of China though regardless of the price.

    The longer this tariff caper goes on the more amusement I'm getting from it. Sure, there's a real good chance it'll end up biting us on the arse but we'll see. If the USA bottom-feeding MBA types pull their purcheses from China and buy elsewhere or build new factories in other countries, I can't offhand see where the downside is for us anyway. We'd be just as happy to sell them raw materials as China, in fact happier in my POV as China is too big a customer for me to be happy about them.

    PDW

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