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    Quote Originally Posted by thermite View Post
    Tariffs are "not good".

    However.. sometimes the alternatives are even LESS "good".

    So US consumers and businesses are the real "payers" of tariffs on Chinese goods. True. But only if they BUY Chinese goods. Avoidance of such purchases is getting easier by the week. The tariffs paid by those who insist on Chinese goods can be paid out against the needs of all citizens.

    The Chinese don't pay those tariffs, either. All they have to do to avoid them is not SELL to the USA. That, too, is getting easier by the week.

    Same situation, Chinese tariffs on US goods. No effect if the goods are not sold to them to begin with.


    Side effects? Yes. Surely.

    But are they a bad thing?

    Discussion abounds. Criticism, even.

    What part of that is "hidden" in any way?
    You take a junkie cold turkey off heroin and they will suffer form severy withdrawal, Only a slow weening off will get you where you need to be. This Trump headspace will hurt real bad.


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    Quote Originally Posted by dcsipo View Post
    You take a junkie cold turkey off heroin and they will suffer form severy withdrawal, Only a slow weening off will get you where you need to be. This Trump headspace will hurt real bad.


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    Hurt WHOM "real bad"?

    China was already coming off the steep part of the growth curve and onto the plateau, hitting walls of their own making over dodgy support of SOE's and opaque financing.

    What matters is they have gotten it "right enough" they'll not starve nor massacre a few tens of millions of their own kin .... as they used to do with dreadful regularity.

    Whatever hood-ornament they've badged their hooverment with, "Xi dynasty", perhaps? - that's a seriously important milestone in a very long history of far worse behaviour.

    Moreover, "great firewall" notwithstanding, their populace are good at building "ladders" as they call them, ("hint" the CCP doesn't hold a patent on brains..) and also travel. Rather a lot. So are worldly-aware "ENOUGH", and have enough to LOSE, and know that..to be far harder to fool into marching to a collective drumbeat into tragic blood and bullets wars.

    Patience, grasshopper. They'll have to sort all that themselves.

    Not that we have an empty task list, either, sorting our own patch, yah?

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    Quote Originally Posted by iwananew10K View Post
    this place is truly disgusting.
    Banter.
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    None of it meant maliciously, but just giving back what is given out.
    Tat for a Tit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dcsipo View Post
    This whole thread is like a bunch of atheists going to church. It will not make anyone happy, and it usually ends in a food fight.
    John Belushi popping a mashed potato pimple

    Quote Originally Posted by otrlt View Post
    For anyone who thinks that a trade deal can be made, you'll have to wait.

    Meanwhile, tariffs will be imposed on September 1.

    My guess is that the Chinese won't give in, until there on their knees.

    For investors, the NYSE will go to fresh new highs in October.
    And I thought they quit making quaaludes years ago ...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Spinit View Post
    Tandem culprits. Crazy is fond of Denmark and socialism in general. For South Carolina his viewpoints are in the minority. Lots of people there still salute the flag.
    Spinit, a majority in South Carolina hate Denmark? Better tell these guys to get out quick, while they still can:

    Charleston, South Carolina

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    Quote Originally Posted by dcsipo View Post
    You take a junkie cold turkey off heroin and they will suffer form severy withdrawal, Only a slow weening off will get you where you need to be. This Trump headspace will hurt real bad.


    dee
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    10% isn't going to hurt them. You guys will still buy the stuff when it goes up 12.5% (importers have to make a buck out of it too you know) and Trump has more tax dollars to spend.

    All without raising income or corporate taxes.

    And you guys applaud.

    I'm slowly revising my opinion of Trump - he's playing the US public like a virtuoso. You all would be screaming bloody revolution if he tried to institute a national 10% sales tax but call it a tariff and you're all over it.

    Too funny.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PDW View Post

    I'm slowly revising my opinion of Trump - he's playing the US public like a virtuoso. You all would be screaming bloody revolution if he tried to institute a national 10% sales tax but call it a tariff and you're all over it.

    Too funny.

    PDW
    I thought (and voiced) that at the very start - only to be told I was talking out of my ass, ………..really?

    Unfortunately, it looks like us Brits could be in for a dose of similar medicine.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PDW View Post
    10% isn't going to hurt them. You guys will still buy the stuff when it goes up 12.5% (importers have to make a buck out of it too you know) and Trump has more tax dollars to spend.

    All without raising income or corporate taxes.

    And you guys applaud.

    I'm slowly revising my opinion of Trump - he's playing the US public like a virtuoso. You all would be screaming bloody revolution if he tried to institute a national 10% sales tax but call it a tariff and you're all over it.

    Too funny.

    PDW
    C'mon... we luv it because it is near-as-dammit 100% avoidable, no effort, no paperwork. And easily 100% avoidable, small effort AND, AND, AND fugsover the opportunistic Big Corp bastids as moved their factories offshore outta greed in the first damned place ... plus does NOT much bug we chickn's atall.

    Pair of flip-flpps or ephemeral plastic beach toys for kids goes up a few cents until a Vietnamese factory has displaced a Chinese one? Lost in the noise. That's the "payback" when "cheaper than" was the main edge to market entry, and we REALLY wanted better goods all along.

    My handheld is a Kyocera, replacing a Samsung, no HuaWei nor Apple, either one. Old (very old) Lenovo was Chinese, newer Acer is Taiwanese. So is the half-bottle of sesame oil in the kitchen. The unopened one next to it was grown and pressed in the USA by a firm run by a Chinese AMERICAN family who were "imported" themselves generations ago.

    Japanese sticky rice is grown by ethnic Koreans in California, Chinese veg raised in Florida, my Roaring Forties Blue is grown from the spores on a downunder offshore island where the cows don't speak a work of Chinese, and not a Hell of a lot more Australian, either.

    Hobgoblin, Bombardier, London Pride ales and stout, likewise Chivers marmelade all come from one of the Urdu-speaking offshore islands, somewhere off the coast of France where everyone whose surname doesn't have a hiccup in the middle of it calls themselves a "Patel".

    We are not REALLY a nation of 100% dependence on Chinese imports!

    Already below 20% and dropping off 2018's 21.2% of our economy. Only 18% of China's exports came this way. That, too will drop... and/or get cheaper, not more dear.

    DJT "plays us like a viruoso" by doing the UNHEARD OF for politicians. Sneaky bastid cheats.

    All the while he is running his mouth and exercising his twitter-hole, he actually has spies that listen to what it is we WANT an whither... helicopters to the front of the parade, and pretends to be leading it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Limy Sami View Post
    I thought (and voiced) that at the very start - only to be told I was talking out of my ass, ………..really?

    Unfortunately, it looks like us Brits could be in for a dose of similar medicine.
    There there Sami - we'll still sell you Fosters and VB. It's not like Aussies have any use for the stuff after all.

    On tariffs for imports into the UK, that's totally under the control of your elected representatives. We know how that works out in practice..... 100% tariffs on Aussie lamb comes to mind, plus a quota.

    Though I've considerable sympathy with protecting domestic food production, up to the point where any excess gets exported.

    For sure I won't buy anything claimed to be edible that comes out of China though regardless of the price.

    The longer this tariff caper goes on the more amusement I'm getting from it. Sure, there's a real good chance it'll end up biting us on the arse but we'll see. If the USA bottom-feeding MBA types pull their purcheses from China and buy elsewhere or build new factories in other countries, I can't offhand see where the downside is for us anyway. We'd be just as happy to sell them raw materials as China, in fact happier in my POV as China is too big a customer for me to be happy about them.

    PDW

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    Quote Originally Posted by PDW View Post
    On tariffs for imports into the UK, that's totally under the control of your elected representatives. We know how that works out in practice..... 100% tariffs on Aussie lamb comes to mind, plus a quota.
    Only because you've been shipping 'em already DEAD in reefers. Buy each of em a thong bikini, teach 'em a few baaaaaah's with a former Sov-Bloc accent, book 'em on a passenger liner, and let 'em earn their passage with their passage and send money home.


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    Quote Originally Posted by thermite View Post
    Only because you've been shipping 'em already DEAD in reefers. Buy each of em a thong bikini, teach 'em a few baaaaaah's with a former Sov-Bloc accent, book 'em on a passenger liner, and let 'em earn their passage with their passage and send money home.

    Is there that much Welsh blood in you?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Limy Sami View Post
    Is there that much Welsh blood in you?
    Sheep lie.

    And Somerset, actually. But yah wuddn' want to waste the better attributes of a tall pair of Wellies over being more South Saxe than Breton, wud yah? What's China-joe Biden keep sayin'.. with 'is back to the wall?

    "Not a racist bone in my body!"


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    Quote Originally Posted by PeteM View Post
    Spinit, a majority in South Carolina hate Denmark? Better tell these guys to get out quick, while they still can:

    Charleston, South Carolina
    I am not saying that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Spinit View Post
    I am not saying that.
    Actually, you sort of did. Just pointing it out.

    FWIW, it seems this forum is now running it's own "Robbers Cave" experiment (look it up) -- only without even the justification of competing for scarce resources. Not so different than the hater-in-chief now running this country -- and the conflict it spurs all around us.

    Who doesn't kind of like Denmark? People who have never been there? Do you have to despise Carlsberg beers, Danfoss or Grundfos pumps, take the Legos away from your kids, and refuse life-saving treatments from Novo Nordisk to be a true hater? Forget they're a long-time ally? Maybe refuse to see any movie with Scarlett Johansson in it, what with the Danish father and all?

    Seems to me that both this forum, and this country, could do with a bit more mutual appreciation; rather than insults?

    I work up this morning to hearing of a third mass shooting in the past week -- and the tone of our country is at least partly complicit. As moderator, you have a choice to participate in partisanship or, um, moderate it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PeteM View Post
    Actually, you sort of did. Just pointing it out.

    FWIW, it seems this forum is now running it's own "Robbers Cave" experiment (look it up) -- only without even the justification of competing for scarce resources. Not so different than the hater-in-chief now running this country -- and the conflict it spurs all around us.

    Who doesn't kind of like Denmark? People who have never been there? Do you have to despise Carlsberg beers, Danfoss or Grundfos pumps, take the Legos away from your kids, and refuse life-saving treatments from Novo Nordisk to be a true hater? Forget they're a long-time ally? Maybe refuse to see any movie with Scarlett Johansson in it, what with the Danish father and all?

    Seems to me that both this forum, and this country, could do with a bit more mutual appreciation; rather than insults?

    I work up this morning to hearing of a third mass shooting in the past week -- and the tone of our country is at least partly complicit. As moderator, you have a choice to participate in partisanship or, um, moderate it.
    Sort of? These are your words not mine. Socialism to me is not what I would chose and mostly I am in disagreement with that. I do not like Communism either. You can frame my words into anything yet it does not mean you give a fair appraisal of my comments.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Spinit View Post
    Sort of? . . .
    Spinit: what you said:

    - There are tandem culprits (CG & Gordon, I presume).
    - Crazy is fond of Denmark and socialism in general (though he says he's never been there and doesn't have an opinion).
    - For South Carolina his viewpoints (fond of Denmark and socialism, you say) are the minority.
    - (Instead,) lots of people there still salute the flag.

    Seemed to me the, perhaps unintended, conclusion is that you don't think most people in S.C. like neither Denmark or guys like "Crazygoat." What with them being damned socialists and all.

    Now that might actually be true, though most probably know little to nothing about the country. Might also be that most aren't so hostile to Denmark, except maybe when they step on one of their kids' Legos?

    My suggestion is that, as moderator, you might lighten up on calling members culprits and vaguely anti-American (being that non-flag waving, Denmark-fond, socialist and Medicare tolerating minority you see C.G. as part of).

    PS - please be sure not to ride public highways or use police, fire, or public water and sewer services. Avoid the Internet to access this forum and Social Security or Medicare when you retire. Don't use insurance or accept disaster relief. Ignore all publicly funded research (from weather forecasting to genome-based medicine) and dissolve the Armed Forces.

    They're all socialist conspiracies, paid for by citizens.

    The fact is that virtually every free world democracy has a mixed economy with some capitalist and some socialist elements. In some ways they need each other. Democracy to temper the greed and fraudulent extremes of capitalism. Capitalism and free markets to create competition to better serve customers and citizens. Could be this forum, similarly, benefits from a diversity of opinion. As the moderator, it's not your role to insult other members who views you disagree with.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PeteM View Post
    As the moderator, it's not your role to insult other members who views you disagree with.[/COLOR]
    As the moderator, he has every right to define his own role.

    And for the record ,I didn't see any "insult". I saw a member of the forum (who just happens to the moderator sometimes) voicing his opinion.

    First amendment, and all that.

    Flame on.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Spinit View Post
    Sort of? These are your words not mine. Socialism to me is not what I would chose and mostly I am in disagreement with that. I do not like Communism either.
    sigh. what do you think socialism is?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mcgyver View Post
    sigh. what do you think socialism is?
    Eh wot? Just a flavour of Communism where the control tool of choice is an economic garrote instead of Khmer Rouge bludgeons or Lev Trotsky's mercenary firing squads do yah?

    Dead at the hand of looters allocating Other People's Money is dead, either way. It is only how quickly that differs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Thunderjet View Post
    As the moderator, he has every right to define his own role.

    And for the record ,I didn't see any "insult". I saw a member of the forum (who just happens to the moderator sometimes) voicing his opinion.

    First amendment, and all that.

    Flame on.
    Yet when other members voice their opinion he tells them they are insulting( presumably to him). Even you must admit that Spinit has been heavy handed at times by banning people who don't agree with his views and deleting posts from the same. In that respect he has seemed to cool it from that here lately.

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