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    Quote Originally Posted by thermite View Post
    Every technological change since we first invented ass-wipe onward has done that.

    Every change has brought disruption.

    In the fullness of time, every change has created NEW jobs.

    Whether directly related to the technology. Or simply to weirder, costlier, and more useless ways to waste our time.
    Exactly. Machines have damn near replaced humans and done a better and faster job of it....autos & trucking will be next. YOU are the liability and will eventually pay a premium to drive yourself to the 9-5 in the near future.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 9finger View Post
    Kind of like the time Japan invaded China and we stuck our nose in, and saved their nation, at the cost of massive loss of life of some of our Nation’s finest?
    Might be guilding the lily just a touch! There was something like 4 or 5 years they were doing all their own work with no input from elsewhere....until they were deemed strategically useful to keep a sizeable proportion of the Japanese tied up.

    Quote Originally Posted by michiganbuck
    My bike an old Schwinn (don’t know where made but it is a good bike.
    Schwinn offshored most stuff almost 40 years ago, like most of our local brands. Commodity level push bikes hardly make any sense to build in a western nation, even the carbon fibre wonders, despite the olde time names of yore, mostly come from the east.

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    This sort of stuff makes me worry,

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    Quote Originally Posted by Trboatworks View Post
    The thing that gets me is not “fake news” as in CNN, NBC, BBC el al.

    It’s

    Media:
    1 : a medium of cultivation, conveyance, or expression

    You know that stuff that started in Europe by 1450’s when post it notes started to appear everywhere...

    So what I see is reams of fake media content bloody everywhere.
    Last night a antivaxer meme on feed.
    This morning a video presentation of what storming Area 51 would look like.

    These are not amateurs efforts- but slick well produced still and film graphics and they are bloody everywhere.

    I don’t know what to think.
    Is this tech getting so accessible that the normal chaos of dumb ideals floating around in a society are now captured in these slick presentations where they would just prior been some ideal you heard from a guy in the bar...

    Or.. is there actually a concerted (and centralized..) effort to develop heighten and spread miss information.

    Honestly when the Russian disinformation efforts came to light I was not in the least bit surprised.
    For years I had been seeing slick benign media products about various folklore like fake stories produced in Russia gone viral- weird monsters found on the beach and the like.
    What’s up with folk in the Taiga- they still are a rapt audience for tales told by the camp fire.

    It made perfect sense- they are so adroit in the production of these alternative reality stories- it’s been a cottage industry there for centuries...

    So let’s say a nation state (or others...)was really really interested in the destabilization of another.
    Let’s say you had a gas pedal you could push at will to accelerate discord.
    Wouldn’t you use it?

    But otherwise- where the hell is all this content coming from?
    Is anyone seriously asking the question of just who is that sitting behind the printing press?

    The “information age” carries risk as miss information travels as fast as any other.

    I must temper my own “dumb ideals” however...

    “Falsehood flies, and the Truth comes limping after it; so that when Men come to be undeceiv’d, it is too late; the Jest is over, and the Tale has had its Effect”
    -Jonathan Swift 1710


    Oh and Orbit- I was looking for a short entry if I could see it- I didn’t so am on side.
    My old chart still has the same lines- 20k on the DOW before 30...?
    There is always a trade- I missed the calm entry and not going to play till I see another...
    Pity- every contract against the DOW is $1k/100 point move.
    When it rushes up and down like this... whew, lots of dough flying in or out the door..

    Oh- forgive the timing.
    I am a dog with a bone- fake news was on thread a few pages back.
    It drives the wife and friends at dinner crazy- I will continue a ideal posited by group half a year back as if it was the last sentence spoken..

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    Quote Originally Posted by dcsipo View Post
    oh boy, reality gives one headache, ay? Don't ya just think for a second that the whole thing is invented to get money out of the average folk's pockets? Who is paying the damned tariffs? Us the low end of the spectrum. The hoypoloy don't care

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    Bill, a point

    The hoypoloy is/are the average folk, the teaming masses.

    Look it up ;-)

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    And while picking nits, it's teeming masses (got watch out when they're teaming) and plain old hoi polloi, with a "the" in front of hoi redundant

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    Lots of "Side Liners" came to to buy stocks today, they will soon be punished.

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    Quote Originally Posted by otrlt View Post
    Lots of "Side Liners" came to to buy stocks today, they will soon be punished.
    Ummm.. that sounds like .. what are they calling it, now? A "red flag" of some sort?

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    Quote Originally Posted by PeteM View Post
    And while picking nits, it's teeming masses (got watch out when they're teaming) and plain old hoi polloi, with a "the" in front of hoi redundant
    Meahhh.. prefer "lumpenproletarait", meself. Prescient and evocative term.

    Seen the mass of a** and cellulite on 'em since the "body politic" became so overwhelmingly obese making choices of nut-rision as poorly as they choose ploto-cissions?

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    Quote Originally Posted by michiganbuck View Post
    I did not know that..agree a poison pill.
    Same with "democratic" Taiwan. They had their first election in 1996. But they were quicker than HK, it only took them 47 years to figure it out.

    China likely does not want the whole country to follow H K ideas..
    Hong Kong doesn't have "ideas" -- except that they want to continue to be special. They believe themselves to be a better class than other Chinese. Even if it's true, that's not going to work over the long term

    They could give a shit about "democracy". They just want the privileges. Not blaming them but the US news has its head up its ass. It can only report one story - the one it's been fed for fifty years.

    Communists ! Socialists ! Democracy ! Nobody gives a crap about that. People care about how much they make, what their house is like, if the doctor is any good, what dinner tastes like. Comfortable shoes and a warm place to shit. (That was truly unfair. He spoke truth and got fired for it.)

    You won't believe it because of the propaganda but in many things, China has way more freedom than the US. You can knock out every wall in your house, build an igloo inside the damn thing if you want, and no one says a thing. Try that in any city in the US. Btw, there's no property taxes

    And while PeteM is appalled that Mr Xi will remain president as long as he can maintain control, most people are happy with him because no one likes the tremendous amounts of graft that were going on. A little bit is fine - it's better than $600,000 for a building permit -- but when the amounts were in the millions, that was too much.

    Fake news. Really.

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    Quote Originally Posted by EmanuelGoldstein View Post
    China has way more freedom than the US. You can knock out every wall in your house, build an igloo inside the damn thing if you want, and no one says a thing.
    LOL! Not too far off the mark.

    But you left out the rest of it.

    Anyone better-connected with the local Party or Triad / Taipan than you are can ALSO "knock out every wall in YOUR house".

    To run a project of his own right through it.

    And no one DARES "say a thing".


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    Quote Originally Posted by thermite View Post
    Anyone better-connected with the local Party or Triad / Taipan than you are can ALSO "knock out every wall in YOUR house".
    Right. That happens every week. Like, about as often as Nebraska wants to run an interstate through your front yard. It's about as big a problem as getting struck by lightning.

    no one DARES "say a thing".
    You really don't know Chinese grandmas, do you ? God himself can't shut them up. Every time you see a neighborhood all knocked down for a new development, there's one or two lone houses standing there, holdouts for more money.

    Too bad you don't know much, because you bloviate real well. Sockdologous old windbag ...

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    Quote Originally Posted by EmanuelGoldstein View Post
    Right. That happens every week.
    Sounds about right, with what? "23 provinces, five autonomous regions, four municipalities, and two special administrative regions" - and one HELLUVA lot of folks in too many villages to be bothered trying to keep up with, addding up to over 1.3 Billion souls.

    Ah,well .. the whole magilla is published;

    Administrative divisions of China - Wikipedia

    Some of those affected are my family or extended family, BTW.

    Then again, so are some of the Party Officials!

    So maybe several times a week? Or several times a DAY? Consider the scale, Pilgrim.

    Only the most extremely egregious give rise to the riots they pretend don't happen.

    "Comrade Bliss" shall we call you? Or just "shallow and ignorant gweilo"?

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    Quote Originally Posted by EmanuelGoldstein View Post
    . . . People care about how much they make, what their house is like, if the doctor is any good, what dinner tastes like. Comfortable shoes and a warm place to shit. (That was truly unfair. He spoke truth and got fired for it.)

    You won't believe it because of the propaganda but in many things, China has way more freedom than the US. You can knock out every wall in your house, build an igloo inside the damn thing if you want, and no one says a thing. Try that in any city in the US. . .
    OK, I'll bite. Given you're in great leader Xi and China propaganda mode and all.

    Let's go to a Chinese city (where a majority live, especially those with better jobs). The vast majority are living in a high rise apartment (which they probably own, good thing). So, let's share your notion of everyone freely knocking out all the walls of their high rise. Twenty stories up? Eighty stories up?? How's that work???

    Sophomore year in college my roommate and friend was a Chinese architectural student. We built a two level sort of thing (sleep underneath, entertain above) in our dorm room. No problem. Just as people still do pretty much as they please inside their own (larger) homes here. We did get push back from trying to cantilever out a bit of balcony several stories up -- which is the same problem as with your own scenario.

    Since then I've managed to knock out walls or add on to a half dozen homes. Still the land of the free to DIY here, though fair enough there are zoning restrictions and building codes. Of course that might partly explain why around 70 people died here in the '89 Bay Area earthquake and about 70,000 died in China's 2008 earthquake??

    In any case, haven't had or wanted to live in a high rise since sophomore year in college.

    As for what people make (still more in the US), what their house is like (typically larger in the US), if the doctor is any good (generally good but expensive in the US) and what dinner tastes like (yummy, even when we go out for Chinese or any of a score of other ethnicities). No absence of comfortable shoes either -- though the older US/English ones more comfy than when we started buying them on the cheap from China. As for a warm place to shit (well, Xi's working on it):

    Xi ‘toilet revolution’ faces rural challenge | South China Morning Post

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    Quote Originally Posted by PeteM View Post
    OK, I'll bite. Given you're in great leader Xi and China propaganda mode and all.
    Is it really that important? What, how and who you are depends very much on your history.

    China has been forming for ~ 3,000 years and the USA for ~ 300 years.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gordon B. Clarke View Post
    Is it really that important? What, how and who you are depends very much on your history.

    China has been forming for ~ 3,000 years and the USA for ~ 300 years.
    That's just dumb, Gordon.

    The "USA", 1600-odd onward - STARTED with not-exactly-young European agricutural practices, tools, implements, harvesting, preservation, and storage methods as well as staple crops, adapted only a VERY few new, initially. Simple reason being that East Coast soils, climate, and biosphere overall are very similar to UK, Ireland, and Western continental Europe.

    It wasn't native Americans who chose "New England" as a moniker, nor without good reason. Swiss immigrants it were who tagged West Virginia as "New Helvetica". Travel both, you'll get it in one. Not the Berner Oberland. The rest of CH.

    European agriculture, in turn, had displaced hunter-gatherer existence off a start in what is now called the "Middle East". But not-only. Sustained drought had done-in Mohenjo Daro. it was not the only large city. There has been a lot of that - even ice ages - on our watch..

    All of the above are a great deal older than a mere 3,000 years!

    Even in the "history" of your own adopted zone, by the by...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gordon B. Clarke View Post
    Is it really that important? . . .
    Not really. Most people, worldwide, take some pride in their country. Those who leave to join another country (like you from Scotland to Denmark or EG from the US to China) may even double down on their decision. Sort of the same deal as when people abandon one faith and embrace another.

    On the other hand, when the US bashing (not from you, but EG) gets to 100 db level -- and the reality I see is more a fine day and friends around -- then it's time to remind folks, even in our current political dysfunction, we're doing OK.

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    Quote Originally Posted by thermite View Post
    LOL! Not too far off the mark.

    But you left out the rest of it.

    Anyone better-connected with the local Party or Triad / Taipan than you are can ALSO "knock out every wall in YOUR house".

    To run a project of his own right through it.

    And no one DARES "say a thing".

    I really don't think you're in a good position to say there's a difference here.

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    PDW

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    Quote Originally Posted by PDW View Post
    I really don't think you're in a good position to say there's a difference here.

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    Humans. Much the same, anywhere, regardless of whether they talk funny at each other or no.

    There was a series a few years back with a whole collection of photographs of property in China that DID successfully hold-off transfer and under their so-often criticized "legal" system, yet.

    They became "landlocked".

    Think four-story building right in the middle of a ten-lane asphalt roadway that swells out around it like a blacksnake as swallowed a porcelain "nesting" egg outta the henhouse 'thout realizing it weren't as nutritious as a hen's egg, even if (s)he COULD crush the booger.




    and then there's this:

    China's eerie ghost cities a 'symptom' of the country's economic troubles and housing bubble - ABC News (Australian Broadcasting Corporation)

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    Hmmmmmm

    China Digs In to Outlast U.S. in Trade Dispute - WSJ

    Staying out of TPP has left us fewer options for our agricultural products.
    We would perhaps been better positioned to play a waiting game had we participated.

    All part of a broad strategy on the part of US?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Trboatworks View Post
    Hmmmmmm

    China Digs In to Outlast U.S. in Trade Dispute - WSJ

    Staying out of TPP has left us fewer options for our agricultural products.
    We would perhaps been better positioned to play a waiting came had we participated.

    All part of a broad strategy on the part of US?
    I wish I could believe it was part of a broad strategy but I'm convinced it's almost always on impulse.

    Big decisions should always have the pros and cons listed.


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