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    Quote Originally Posted by Gordon B. Clarke View Post
    Germany is in Europe.

    My personal opinion but the countries and the people in those countries that were in favour of communism were poor so it was regarded as a way to do something about the situation. That communism never did succeed was almost always because the leaders of communist countries did it for themselves and not for the good of the country.

    In fact as time goes by I wonder more and more what Congress does for the good of the majority in the USA.

    What happened in Vietnam after the war is interesting. Same with China. In many ways it seems to be more capitalistic than communistic. You seem to make excuses for Communists. I know why also.

    Practical communism was never as theoretical communism. As illogical and different as all various religions.
    I do not need a geography lesson from you and I will not take it. I do not care what you have not learned . Seems like since it is your neighborhood you would take a more serious effort. As for US we take it serious as we fought and died there for the likes of you.

    Communism has murdered multi millions and there is no good reason to think they will stop.

    There is a lot of history with Germany and their fight against the Communists. After the war America took former spies and used their contacts to combat Communism.

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    Quote Originally Posted by camscan View Post
    I have remembered my schooling and I remember Lenin in the school playground just outside London in the town of ULYANOVSK
    That was John Lennon. Maybe Camscam? Lol

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    Quote Originally Posted by BillE View Post
    I get the feeling this is the usual, "Nazis were socialists" thing that has been peddled in recent years.

    If you believe any of the pre-war election data, actual communist voting figures barely getting into double digits, hardly makes them a large component.
    Idk who would confuse the communists with the nazis. And you are incorrect about how much support they had. In the last election, they had nearly the same support as the SPD.

    1928 election - Nazis 2.6%, Communists 10.6%
    1930 election - Nazis 18.25%, Communists 13.86% - ruling SPD had 24.53%
    1932 election - Nazis 37.27%, Communists 14.32% - SPD had 21.58%
    2nd 1932 election - Nazis 33%, Communists 16.86% - SPD had 20.43%

    Election Results in Germany
    1928 German federal election - Wikipedia
    1930 German federal election - Wikipedia
    July 1932 German federal election - Wikipedia
    November 1932 German federal election - Wikipedia

    the first site and wiki numbers are a little diff, but less than a percentage point off from each other

    "Barely into the double digits" - being barely into the double digits meant you were a main party, because there were so many parties represented in the Reichstag. For example, in the last election there, only 4 parties were 10% or more. 26 other parties had less than 10% of seats, each. So your characterization of them as just some minor movement is off. They were a major movement by the time Hitler came into power as chancellor. To be nearly the 2nd largest party in the country by that time is quite a feat.

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    Quote Originally Posted by camscan View Post
    You put Lenin in England,I just wondered where.
    You got the wrong town. I like John Lennon much more CAMSCAN. He WBA’s at home in Russia.

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    Quote Originally Posted by camscan View Post
    Read your post 1943 where you say it is easy to forget Lenin from England and all that"
    Ok he really grew up there in England.

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    Quote Originally Posted by camscan View Post
    You already told me that, you just forgot to say where.
    What a co-incidence if it was Liverpool, and he also played a guitar
    I could see that as being an easy mis-taka-to-maka...

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    Quote Originally Posted by camscan View Post
    You already told me that, you just forgot to say where.
    You tell me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Trueturning View Post
    Stoopid lies? One only has to know the history of Communism to understand World war and the murder of millions. The US is far behind Communism.

    Who,is stupid and naive now?
    Allen Dulles was the one making the stoopid lies and the Amurrican populace were the ones naive enough to believe it.

    Allen is long gone, thank God, but apparently there are others happy to take over his job. About naive, unless you are scared there won't be a reflection, should be a mirror in the house, eh ?

    When automation takes China then no problem they just kill or starve the workers. That is Communism.
    Where do you get these fantasies ? I want to make sure I don't step in any of this ...

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    Quote Originally Posted by nyc123 View Post
    Idk who would confuse the communists with the nazis.
    I'll think you'll find there's been the odd person recently on PM saying Nazis were socialists because of what the party was called! Seems to have been a talking point on our mini Fox News channel here even, as I've had it parroted to me by acquaintances in the last couple of months and doubt they've opened a history book since childhood and rely on the reactionaries on the idiot box for opinion.

    Quote Originally Posted by nyc123
    And you are incorrect about how much support they had. In the last election, they had nearly the same support as the SPD.

    1928 election - Nazis 2.6%, Communists 10.6%
    1930 election - Nazis 18.25%, Communists 13.86% - ruling SPD had 24.53%
    1932 election - Nazis 37.27%, Communists 14.32% - SPD had 21.58%
    2nd 1932 election - Nazis 33%, Communists 16.86% - SPD had 20.43%

    Election Results in Germany
    1928 German federal election - Wikipedia
    1930 German federal election - Wikipedia
    July 1932 German federal election - Wikipedia
    November 1932 German federal election - Wikipedia

    the first site and wiki numbers are a little diff, but less than a percentage point off from each other

    "Barely into the double digits" - being barely into the double digits meant you were a main party, because there were so many parties represented in the Reichstag. For example, in the last election there, only 4 parties were 10% or more. 26 other parties had less than 10% of seats, each. So your characterization of them as just some minor movement is off. They were a major movement by the time Hitler came into power as chancellor. To be nearly the 2nd largest party in the country by that time is quite a feat.

    Seems pretty right to me. Even at their zenith, 84% of the electorate didn't vote for them - which should be a pretty basic statistic to a bloke who supposedly makes his dough in the markets. If you were to say 1970s Italy had something approaching a large number of votes cast in their favour, that might be something closer to reality.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BillE View Post
    I'll think you'll find there's been the odd person recently on PM saying Nazis were socialists because of what the party was called! Seems to have been a talking point on our mini Fox News channel here even, as I've had it parroted to me by acquaintances in the last couple of months and doubt they've opened a history book since childhood and rely on the reactionaries on the idiot box for opinion.




    Seems pretty right to me. Even at their zenith, 84% of the electorate didn't vote for them - which should be a pretty basic statistic to a bloke who supposedly makes his dough in the markets. If you were to say 1970s Italy had something approaching a large number of votes cast in their favour, that might be something closer to reality.
    The communist party in Italy still has a few supporters.

    Communist Party (Italy) - Wikipedia

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    Quote Originally Posted by BillE View Post
    Seems pretty right to me. Even at their zenith, 84% of the electorate didn't vote for them - which should be a pretty basic statistic to a bloke who supposedly makes his dough in the markets. If you were to say 1970s Italy had something approaching a large number of votes cast in their favour, that might be something closer to reality.
    Ok, then 67% of the electorate didn't vote for the Nazis in the last election when Hitler became chancellor. Again, that is a misleading way of looking at it. It was not a one or two or three party system. It's a 25+ party system. Totally different. The fact is that the communists came up to being almost the 2nd largest party in Germany during that era. The statistics I put there make that clear. The communist movement in Weimar Germany was a thing, it wasn't a minor movement. It was steadily growing, and the Nazis made it so they could not vote on the enabling act that gave Hitler full power. Obviously if they didn't matter, that wouldn't have happened. It was becoming more and more communists vs nazis. In fact, one of the first things the Nazis did was imprison and crack down on the communists and socialists. The socialists were throughout the SPD party. And in that last election, if you put together the SPD and Communist vote, it was even larger than the Nazi vote! How's that for saying it didn't exist?

    Also, I don't really make my dough in the markets - I just worked in finance before. Almost all of my income is off rental properties right now. Plenty of time to watch documentaries, which is how I originally found out about this. Most tend to just focus on the war without a lot of backstory on politics, but I found a good one a while back that did talk about the political situation.

    The Nazis, A Warning From History 1 'Helped Into Power' - video dailymotion

    I know people fling links around, but I highly recommend that one. It has a lot of interviews with Nazi supporters from the era and tons of coverage of stuff that I never knew or saw in other documentaries. Troves of new info for me. And of course the whole thing about the communist movement is in there throughout. And done by the BBC, surprisingly.

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    Just saw this article on tarrif, kind of an update of sorts:
    Make American Steel Great Again Backfires In Trump Lawsuit

    Here is one of the comments so maybe the article is a little off-base:

    "Somebody is missing the point here. Steel tariffs are to protect firms that MAKE steel. These firms are not making steel, they are IMPORTING steel and processing or fabricating it. If they were MAKING it, either from ore or from scrap, the tariffs would indeed protect them."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Trueturning View Post
    You tell me.

    Spinit's back as a troll.....

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    Quote Originally Posted by digger doug View Post
    Spinit's back as a troll.....
    Can you substantiate this?

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    Quote Originally Posted by plastikdreams View Post
    Can you substantiate this?
    Go back and read some True Turning posts. It's about as clearly Spinit as Monarchist is Thermite. They both have very distinctive styles.

    I mean, even the names jive... From Spinit to True Turning...

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    10-27-2019 is "He's back".
    A little slow on the trigger there digger?

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    Quote Originally Posted by TeachMePlease View Post
    Go back and read some True Turning posts. It's about as clearly Spinit as Monarchist is Thermite. They both have very distinctive styles.

    I mean, even the names jive... From Spinit to True Turning...
    Meh I don't see it...we would need to see if the ip addys are the same

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    Quote Originally Posted by plastikdreams View Post
    Meh I don't see it...we would need to see if the ip addys are the same
    People mostly have dynamic ip's now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CarbideBob View Post
    10-27-2019 is "He's back".
    A little slow on the trigger there digger?
    I'm not a groupie sir....


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