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    Quote Originally Posted by Gordon B. Clarke View Post
    You have my attention. How was Germany affected by communism pre WW2?

    Who teaches world history in the USA as some of you have very strange ideas as to what happened and when? If you are correct then my history teachers must have been very misinformed.
    Remember there was a large Communist movement in Germany and in Europe in many places it was feared what happened with Russian Communism would spread.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gordon B. Clarke View Post
    You have my attention. How was Germany affected by communism pre WW2?

    Who teaches world history in the USA as some of you have very strange ideas as to what happened and when? If you are correct then my history teachers must have been very misinformed.
    The communist movement was big in weimar germany. Politically, it had increasingly come to the communists vs the right-wing. The depression had enveloped germany very badly in the last few years before Hitler took power. That isn't taught very much that I remember in mainstream history in school, but it did happen. In fact, very little about that was covered - all I or most people tend to remember is "this crazy guy hitler came to power and took over the country", but in reality, he was voted in. Kind of like how we were taught "the Japanese wanted to take over the world, and just suddenly decided to hit pearl harbor", but little to nothing is usually mentioned about how the western powers had colonized a ton of the world and were encroaching on Japan. Not saying Hitler or imperial Japan was right in their movement, just stating the history. If you go to the yushukan museum in Tokyo, you get a whole different perspective; it was pretty eye-opening to me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Trueturning View Post
    Remember there was a large Communist movement in Germany and in Europe in many places it was feared what happened with Russian Communism would spread.
    “Originally Posted by Trueturning View Post
    Yes it did. The whole world was effected by Communism. Especially Germany pre WW2.
    You have my attention. How was Germany affected by communism pre WW2?

    Who teaches world history in the USA as some of you have very strange ideas as to what happened and when? If you are correct then my history teachers must have been very misinformed.“

    So have you remembered your schooling? It is handy to forget Lenin from England and all that. Anyway for anyone to think that education in general actually is not negligent needs to review. Everyone must take it upon themselves to learn beyond basic education. After all it is common to teach without all the truth from past history. And to countries who support free speech no less.

    Wish the best in your learning. It is left up to you to learn more than than any education delivered.

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    I get the feeling this is the usual, "Nazis were socialists" thing that has been peddled in recent years.

    If you believe any of the pre-war election data, actual communist voting figures barely getting into double digits, hardly makes them a large component.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BillE View Post
    I get the feeling this is the usual, "Nazis were socialists" thing that has been peddled in recent years.

    If you believe any of the pre-war election data, actual communist voting figures barely getting into double digits, hardly makes them a large component.
    Fact is not disputed. I guess people want to deny the history of Communism in Russia ,Europe, and Asia. Germans in pre WW2 and during WW2 did not support Communism.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Trueturning View Post
    Remember there was a large Communist movement in Germany and in Europe in many places it was feared what happened with Russian Communism would spread.
    Germany is in Europe.

    My personal opinion but the countries and the people in those countries that were in favour of communism were poor so it was regarded as a way to do something about the situation. That communism never did succeed was almost always because the leaders of communist countries did it for themselves and not for the good of the country.

    In fact as time goes by I wonder more and more what Congress does for the good of the majority in the USA.

    What happened in Vietnam after the war is interesting. Same with China. In many ways it seems to be more capitalistic than communistic.

    Practical communism was never as theoretical communism. As illogical and different as all various religions.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Trueturning View Post
    “Originally Posted by Trueturning View Post
    Yes it did. The whole world was effected by Communism. Especially Germany pre WW2.
    You have my attention. How was Germany affected by communism pre WW2?

    Who teaches world history in the USA as some of you have very strange ideas as to what happened and when? If you are correct then my history teachers must have been very misinformed.“

    So have you remembered your schooling? It is handy to forget Lenin from England and all that. Anyway for anyone to think that education in general actually is not negligent needs to review. Everyone must take it upon themselves to learn beyond basic education. After all it is common to teach without all the truth from past history. And to countries who support free speech no less.

    Wish the best in your learning. It is left up to you to learn more than than any education delivered.
    I have remembered my schooling and I remember Lenin in the school playground just outside London in the town of ULYANOVSK

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gordon B. Clarke View Post
    Germany is in Europe.

    My personal opinion but the countries and the people in those countries that were in favour of communism were poor so it was regarded as a way to do something about the situation. That communism never did succeed was almost always because the leaders of communist countries did it for themselves and not for the good of the country.

    In fact as time goes by I wonder more and more what Congress does for the good of the majority in the USA.

    What happened in Vietnam after the war is interesting. Same with China. In many ways it seems to be more capitalistic than communistic. You seem to make excuses for Communists. I know why also.

    Practical communism was never as theoretical communism. As illogical and different as all various religions.
    I do not need a geography lesson from you and I will not take it. I do not care what you have not learned . Seems like since it is your neighborhood you would take a more serious effort. As for US we take it serious as we fought and died there for the likes of you.

    Communism has murdered multi millions and there is no good reason to think they will stop.

    There is a lot of history with Germany and their fight against the Communists. After the war America took former spies and used their contacts to combat Communism.

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    Quote Originally Posted by camscan View Post
    I have remembered my schooling and I remember Lenin in the school playground just outside London in the town of ULYANOVSK
    That was John Lennon. Maybe Camscam? Lol

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    Quote Originally Posted by BillE View Post
    I get the feeling this is the usual, "Nazis were socialists" thing that has been peddled in recent years.

    If you believe any of the pre-war election data, actual communist voting figures barely getting into double digits, hardly makes them a large component.
    Idk who would confuse the communists with the nazis. And you are incorrect about how much support they had. In the last election, they had nearly the same support as the SPD.

    1928 election - Nazis 2.6%, Communists 10.6%
    1930 election - Nazis 18.25%, Communists 13.86% - ruling SPD had 24.53%
    1932 election - Nazis 37.27%, Communists 14.32% - SPD had 21.58%
    2nd 1932 election - Nazis 33%, Communists 16.86% - SPD had 20.43%

    Election Results in Germany
    1928 German federal election - Wikipedia
    1930 German federal election - Wikipedia
    July 1932 German federal election - Wikipedia
    November 1932 German federal election - Wikipedia

    the first site and wiki numbers are a little diff, but less than a percentage point off from each other

    "Barely into the double digits" - being barely into the double digits meant you were a main party, because there were so many parties represented in the Reichstag. For example, in the last election there, only 4 parties were 10% or more. 26 other parties had less than 10% of seats, each. So your characterization of them as just some minor movement is off. They were a major movement by the time Hitler came into power as chancellor. To be nearly the 2nd largest party in the country by that time is quite a feat.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Trueturning View Post
    That was John Lennon. Maybe Camscam? Lol
    You put Lenin in England,I just wondered where.

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    Quote Originally Posted by camscan View Post
    You put Lenin in England,I just wondered where.
    You got the wrong town. I like John Lennon much more CAMSCAN. He WBA’s at home in Russia.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Trueturning View Post
    You got the wrong town. I like John Lennon much more CAMSCAN. He WBA’s at home in Russia.
    Read your post 1943 where you say it is easy to forget Lenin from England and all that"

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    Quote Originally Posted by camscan View Post
    Read your post 1943 where you say it is easy to forget Lenin from England and all that"
    Ok he really grew up there in England.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Trueturning View Post
    Ok he really grew up there in England.
    You already told me that, you just forgot to say where.

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    Quote Originally Posted by camscan View Post
    You already told me that, you just forgot to say where.
    What a co-incidence if it was Liverpool, and he also played a guitar
    I could see that as being an easy mis-taka-to-maka...

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    Quote Originally Posted by camscan View Post
    You already told me that, you just forgot to say where.
    You tell me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Trueturning View Post
    Stoopid lies? One only has to know the history of Communism to understand World war and the murder of millions. The US is far behind Communism.

    Who,is stupid and naive now?
    Allen Dulles was the one making the stoopid lies and the Amurrican populace were the ones naive enough to believe it.

    Allen is long gone, thank God, but apparently there are others happy to take over his job. About naive, unless you are scared there won't be a reflection, should be a mirror in the house, eh ?

    When automation takes China then no problem they just kill or starve the workers. That is Communism.
    Where do you get these fantasies ? I want to make sure I don't step in any of this ...

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    Quote Originally Posted by nyc123 View Post
    Idk who would confuse the communists with the nazis.
    I'll think you'll find there's been the odd person recently on PM saying Nazis were socialists because of what the party was called! Seems to have been a talking point on our mini Fox News channel here even, as I've had it parroted to me by acquaintances in the last couple of months and doubt they've opened a history book since childhood and rely on the reactionaries on the idiot box for opinion.

    Quote Originally Posted by nyc123
    And you are incorrect about how much support they had. In the last election, they had nearly the same support as the SPD.

    1928 election - Nazis 2.6%, Communists 10.6%
    1930 election - Nazis 18.25%, Communists 13.86% - ruling SPD had 24.53%
    1932 election - Nazis 37.27%, Communists 14.32% - SPD had 21.58%
    2nd 1932 election - Nazis 33%, Communists 16.86% - SPD had 20.43%

    Election Results in Germany
    1928 German federal election - Wikipedia
    1930 German federal election - Wikipedia
    July 1932 German federal election - Wikipedia
    November 1932 German federal election - Wikipedia

    the first site and wiki numbers are a little diff, but less than a percentage point off from each other

    "Barely into the double digits" - being barely into the double digits meant you were a main party, because there were so many parties represented in the Reichstag. For example, in the last election there, only 4 parties were 10% or more. 26 other parties had less than 10% of seats, each. So your characterization of them as just some minor movement is off. They were a major movement by the time Hitler came into power as chancellor. To be nearly the 2nd largest party in the country by that time is quite a feat.

    Seems pretty right to me. Even at their zenith, 84% of the electorate didn't vote for them - which should be a pretty basic statistic to a bloke who supposedly makes his dough in the markets. If you were to say 1970s Italy had something approaching a large number of votes cast in their favour, that might be something closer to reality.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BillE View Post
    I'll think you'll find there's been the odd person recently on PM saying Nazis were socialists because of what the party was called! Seems to have been a talking point on our mini Fox News channel here even, as I've had it parroted to me by acquaintances in the last couple of months and doubt they've opened a history book since childhood and rely on the reactionaries on the idiot box for opinion.




    Seems pretty right to me. Even at their zenith, 84% of the electorate didn't vote for them - which should be a pretty basic statistic to a bloke who supposedly makes his dough in the markets. If you were to say 1970s Italy had something approaching a large number of votes cast in their favour, that might be something closer to reality.
    The communist party in Italy still has a few supporters.

    Communist Party (Italy) - Wikipedia


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