Zonko
Stainless
- Joined
- Aug 20, 2011
- Location
- Northern Germany
Disclaimer:
PLEASE, DO NOT turn this into a liberal vs. conservative , atheist vs. religious etc. thing.
I am not interested in partisan politics of any kind. I have no party affiliation, a matter which makes voting always a pain in the ass for me. Even though we have about 5 relevant parties instead of 2 there still is not one I can fully agree with.
Anyhow, really a simple thing:
Yes, some major events in history were conspiracy based. The start of WWII was a conspiracy and so was Hitlers seizure of power. Fake evidence used to do it. However, in both cases the evidence was blatantly fake. Claiming Poland had attacked Germany. One of the major Industrial powers of the day and a . Blatantly ridiculous. People only "believed" it because they were either nazi themselves or could not have said anything against it without loosing job,health or even life.
Or the NSA, which conspired with various European telecom corporations to spy upon honorable people, our chancellor included.
Up to this point i believe everything. Yes of course, people lie when they make mistakes,people lie to advance their intrests, governments are made up of people, and there we go.
Next we do some internet browsing. What do we find ?
Moon landing fraud ?! Well, actually it would kinda make sense both ways. A fraud would be possible, at the same time...hell..Werner von Braun built mass produced rockets for Hitler in a mostly destroyed country which could reach lower space. Why would he not succeed, given all his German collegues, the best people America had to offer and the vast resources of the USA.
9/11 "Thruther" movement : Well, I actually thought of the Pentagon thing as odd, always did. This is really a crazy subject because something smells fishy in a few places. However the very moment I take a look at the explanation given by these "thruthers"...well...they are fishy and stupid all out. "There is a blue haze there - this guy was photoshopped" HELL yeah, of course a camera lens stays perfectly clean in a mess of that magnitude. Bloody hell, i get shit like this from just using a camera on a peaceful day. Glare, dirt, spit from loud talking and laughing.
Or Detroit: Conservative extremists claim it is a liberal experiment to force people into dependence. Liberals claim it is a failure of open markets and global trade.
Neat ! I like it !
And it gets worse and worse. I just stumbled across some internet board while searching for news on the costa concordia salvage operation and its progress:
WARNING: : View forum - Worldwide media deceptions ? Cluesforum.info
Basically they claim that every major misshap or desaster since 1900 which had some kind of political impact was staged
Costa Concordia, Lusitania, Titanic, school shootings,AIDS everything.
And there is tons more out there: New World Order, Nikola Tesla mysticism, the BRD GmbH (the notion that Germany is no state but a US run corporation or similar - a common cospiracy topic amongst German neo nazis.)
And that is the point of transition: Some conspiracys happened, some events might well involve some type of conspiracy.
BUT:
Most of this shit is badly illogical and can be dismissed at first sight.
The alternative explanation is less logical than the official one and the discussion is based on armchair criticism: Hard to judge heat, fire and war if you have never been in it.
Still many believe it.
And somehow.....while we got our share of cranks and idiots over here.....most of this seems to be USA based. That is why i chose to ask this question here, instead of using a German board. Over here its mostly nazis and other crazies, we do not have something like the "truther" movement.
So...how come ?
P.S. Why do i care ? Well...i have been looking up several major engineering related deasters from the great eastern (engineering and commercial descisionmaking mishaps ) to costa concordia (human situational descisionmaking) and 9/11 recently (vulnerability / random problems). Simply because i am intrested in human behavior. What mistakes do people make. What mistakes do engineers make.
What mistakes are typical for decisionmakers.
I have a habit of looking at arbitrary things and noting the parallels.
In these searches....the amount of conspiracy garbage i found. Oh boy.....but intresting in its own right.
PLEASE, DO NOT turn this into a liberal vs. conservative , atheist vs. religious etc. thing.
I am not interested in partisan politics of any kind. I have no party affiliation, a matter which makes voting always a pain in the ass for me. Even though we have about 5 relevant parties instead of 2 there still is not one I can fully agree with.
Anyhow, really a simple thing:
Yes, some major events in history were conspiracy based. The start of WWII was a conspiracy and so was Hitlers seizure of power. Fake evidence used to do it. However, in both cases the evidence was blatantly fake. Claiming Poland had attacked Germany. One of the major Industrial powers of the day and a . Blatantly ridiculous. People only "believed" it because they were either nazi themselves or could not have said anything against it without loosing job,health or even life.
Or the NSA, which conspired with various European telecom corporations to spy upon honorable people, our chancellor included.
Up to this point i believe everything. Yes of course, people lie when they make mistakes,people lie to advance their intrests, governments are made up of people, and there we go.
Next we do some internet browsing. What do we find ?
Moon landing fraud ?! Well, actually it would kinda make sense both ways. A fraud would be possible, at the same time...hell..Werner von Braun built mass produced rockets for Hitler in a mostly destroyed country which could reach lower space. Why would he not succeed, given all his German collegues, the best people America had to offer and the vast resources of the USA.
9/11 "Thruther" movement : Well, I actually thought of the Pentagon thing as odd, always did. This is really a crazy subject because something smells fishy in a few places. However the very moment I take a look at the explanation given by these "thruthers"...well...they are fishy and stupid all out. "There is a blue haze there - this guy was photoshopped" HELL yeah, of course a camera lens stays perfectly clean in a mess of that magnitude. Bloody hell, i get shit like this from just using a camera on a peaceful day. Glare, dirt, spit from loud talking and laughing.
Or Detroit: Conservative extremists claim it is a liberal experiment to force people into dependence. Liberals claim it is a failure of open markets and global trade.
Neat ! I like it !
And it gets worse and worse. I just stumbled across some internet board while searching for news on the costa concordia salvage operation and its progress:
WARNING: : View forum - Worldwide media deceptions ? Cluesforum.info
Basically they claim that every major misshap or desaster since 1900 which had some kind of political impact was staged
Costa Concordia, Lusitania, Titanic, school shootings,AIDS everything.
And there is tons more out there: New World Order, Nikola Tesla mysticism, the BRD GmbH (the notion that Germany is no state but a US run corporation or similar - a common cospiracy topic amongst German neo nazis.)
And that is the point of transition: Some conspiracys happened, some events might well involve some type of conspiracy.
BUT:
Most of this shit is badly illogical and can be dismissed at first sight.
The alternative explanation is less logical than the official one and the discussion is based on armchair criticism: Hard to judge heat, fire and war if you have never been in it.
Still many believe it.
And somehow.....while we got our share of cranks and idiots over here.....most of this seems to be USA based. That is why i chose to ask this question here, instead of using a German board. Over here its mostly nazis and other crazies, we do not have something like the "truther" movement.
So...how come ?
P.S. Why do i care ? Well...i have been looking up several major engineering related deasters from the great eastern (engineering and commercial descisionmaking mishaps ) to costa concordia (human situational descisionmaking) and 9/11 recently (vulnerability / random problems). Simply because i am intrested in human behavior. What mistakes do people make. What mistakes do engineers make.
What mistakes are typical for decisionmakers.
I have a habit of looking at arbitrary things and noting the parallels.
In these searches....the amount of conspiracy garbage i found. Oh boy.....but intresting in its own right.