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Ot- Ford has announced that a fully autonomous car will be released within five years

It is very unclear so far what this means re:ford and cars in general.

So far, we have seen zero credible proof of anything apart from Tesla.
There have been about 10+ announcements from Audi, BMW, etc. et. al. for over 10 years with zero actual plans, budgets, tech, results, tests, videos, product announcements, spending, hires, credible personnel etc.

Ie I don´t mean this is vaporware.
But, so far, none of the typical Big Auto companies have done anything.

I am not "real" a Tsla fan, as such, although I follow the field and tech intensely re_ money and stock market.

As soon as we see something real happening, we can start to think about implications.

It´s obvious at some point self-driving cars will happen.
The tech is already dirt-cheap on a 3-5 year timeframe (tech curve and mass manufacturing and electronics cost curve).
A 100.000 $ lidar is already available for 200$ or so. Etc.

The current 1.2 M points / sec envelope will go to 100M points in 3 years at half the cost.
Important.
At 30 frames/sec (3 m distance at 100m/sec), thats 40.000 points.
Thats only 200x200 points / FOV.
Okey, triple at 30 m /sec.

A good monitor is 1900, or 2700 x 1200 (32" 2x, mine, Hp, Nvidia Quadra).

What EM says, that self-driving is Really Near, is certainly true (I was an IT specialist for 20 years).

What is also true, is that everyone can buy it, cots, 3 years later, for 100$ in sw and maybe 800$ in hw (a few smartphones+some sensors, essentially).

Trboats .. no more cabs w. humans.
All truck driving jobs stop.
School bus.
Bus lanes.
Delivery, ups, dhl, fedex, mostly.

The new Barcelona metro , L9, where I live, is already self driving (siemens iirc).

All this is both good and bad.
In general, stopping lower-educated, lower-paying jobs is good for everyone.
At the personal level, it´s hard on the (ex)workers in the short term.

In the US, it will be harder than elsewhere, as most other oecd countries have fewer auto-sector manual jobs.
Mostly because it´s more expensive, and education is cheap (free), so automation is more common.

Ie less trucks (by population/merchandise) in the Eu, much more bulk transport by train etc.
Obviously, clueless taxi drivers and truckers will complain/protect/boycott like any other luddites.

I have low-to-zero sympathy.
I don´t like people who think they are owed high benefits from my taxes.
I pay high taxes (40-50%).
Fair enough.
I don´t want them wasted on people who wont adjusted, adapt, move on.

If You bought a high $$ taxi license, and its value went down, it´s just like machining.
Competition increases, You adapt.
Sell the license, at loss if need be, and thats it.
We, The people, do NOT owe YOU anything, because You speculated on a given license/job.

In real terms, of course, the right choice is adjustments, and they can be, imho, be financed by the government, on sensible terms.
I don´t want, and I think no one else does, 2 million unemployed US truck drivers, overnight.
But the reality is that when technology evolves, luddites won´t stop it.
 
No one want's to lose their jobs to automation but compare 100 lost jobs to 100 lives saved because some a-hole isn't drunk or texting behind the wheel.
 
I've often been impressed by technology that improves quality of life. Somehow I don't think this is one of them.


I am with you- also question how the tech deals with problems.
A bit of snow on road- can the vehicle actively correct for snow ruts in road and keep its sorry ass moving?
Can it identify the early warning signs of road conditions which make me slow way down such as cars wiped out on the medians?
I can well imagine kicking the doors in when your car is stuck on a bit of ice on your drive.
The voice keeps repeating from the Hal- "insufficient traction to proceed, please wait for assistance"...
 
hadn't thought of that..
These would have bought my dad many years of independence following having to give up his car.

Looking forward, they will buy me that benefit.
I also think of the long drives to where we like to vacation- this sort of widget will help along those lines.
 
hadn't thought of that..
These would have bought my dad many years of independence following having to give up his car.

Looking forward, they will buy me that benefit.
I also think of the long drives to where we like to vacation- this sort of widget will help along those lines.

There is absolutely no reason I should have to pilot my car on long boring drives.
Climb in the back seat and read a book.
 
I really enjoy a long drive and was more thinking of when older- come to think of it though I ran through the night headed out on a vacation trip this summer and almost killed myself driving when exhausted...
 
I really enjoy a long drive and was more thinking of when older- come to think of it though I ran through the night headed out on a vacation trip this summer and almost killed myself driving when exhausted...

My sister was in a severe accident falling asleep on that stretch of I80 heading west out of Salt Lake.
 
When robot cars wreck, does the car get the ticket?

Driverless cars will be a serious threat to "revenue generation"
by all police agency's whose modern role is not to serve and protect, but to write tickets that collect revenue. Right now that involves lots of chickenshit "for your saftey" laws, like not coming to a complete stop at a stop sign, or not using your turn signal, etc.
So that means lawmakers will have to dream up new laws to
replace the lost revenue.
Stand by to have safer driving, and less freedom.
 
I really enjoy a long drive and was more thinking of when older- come to think of it though I ran through the night headed out on a vacation trip this summer and almost killed myself driving when exhausted...

I think of it more like getting to my destination faster. I enjoy long drives. I'd enjoy them more as a passenger, I think, as I could ogle the scenery or landmarks steadily without glancing back and forth constantly as I drive by. More importantly... all those places I want to go on vacation, but would take TWO days to get to via car... I could do in one day, since exhaustion is less of an issue. There are many places I haven't gone to yet simply because I didn't want to "waste" two vacation days each way, traveling. So I go to places that are <12 hours each way, approx. Autonomous driving... and suddenly Yellowstone is in reach at no additional cost of vacation time.
 
While anyone looking ahead can see obvious advantages to self-driving technology, from aiding those with limited sight even to the car itself being the "designated driver" for a night out on the town a long hard look needs to be taken at ALL of the implications.

A machine has no humanity or real thinking ability so all "thought processes" must be programmed in. The sensors also must be good enough and with enough redundancy to not be fooled by real world situations. Public roadways present much more complicated situations than machine tools or a factory floor. To do the job right will not be cheap and if large numbers of people who can now afford to drive are priced out of automobiles this will accelerate the formation of a two class society.

Since the last discussion here re self-driving cars I have read dozens of articles both pro and con. The general consensus among knowledgeable people is that the technology will be too expensive for most individuals to own. In that case their only access to self-driving vehicles will be those used in a taxi/livery mode. That in itself raises issues of access and availability during certain times. As I stated before, demand for self-driving taxis would peak during commuting hours and individuals working in outlying areas would likely face long waits. No one is going to fund a fleet large enough to handle normal commuter demand as these very expensive vehicles would then be idle much of the rest of the day.

I recently experienced an unusual situation when needing a taxi to access a destination with limited parking. The trip in was fine but when trying to get a taxi home there were none to be had. Calls to different companies were met with the same answer; "we are severely overbooked and will be for hours". Finally we had to call a friend to drive in and rescue us. We never found out the cause of this problem but someone familiar with the industry said that companies are cutting back on driver hours due to losing income to Uber.

Another major issue, especially if self-driving vehicles were to be marketed to individuals, is that this is an industry notorious for reducing manufacturing costs to the point of impacting safety. If this happens with self-driving technology the results could be horrific.

Calling people Luddites because they raise legitimate questions about new technologies may be fashionable but it is based on ignorance. The real Luddites were correct in their assessment that mechanized looms would severely impact their thriving cottage industry. While they had their livelihoods ruined the profits from the new technology accrued to a very small number of people who owned the mills. Life for the workers in those mills was terrible as they worked in horrendous noise and choking dust for low wages. The majority of workers were either single women of even young children because wages were too low to raise a family on.
 
I think of it more like getting to my destination faster. I enjoy long drives. I'd enjoy them more as a passenger, I think, as I could ogle the scenery or landmarks steadily without glancing back and forth constantly as I drive by. More importantly... all those places I want to go on vacation, but would take TWO days to get to via car... I could do in one day, since exhaustion is less of an issue. There are many places I haven't gone to yet simply because I didn't want to "waste" two vacation days each way, traveling. So I go to places that are <12 hours each way, approx. Autonomous driving... and suddenly Yellowstone is in reach at no additional cost of vacation time.

Yellowstone is worth it.
 
Calling people Luddites because they raise legitimate questions about new technologies may be fashionable but it is based on ignorance. The real Luddites were correct in their assessment that mechanized looms would severely impact their thriving cottage industry. While they had their livelihoods ruined the profits from the new technology accrued to a very small number of people who owned the mills. Life for the workers in those mills was terrible as they worked in horrendous noise and choking dust for low wages. The majority of workers were either single women of even young children because wages were too low to raise a family on.

That's capitalism for you...
Sorry, just had to throw that out there. :)
 
Yellowstone is worth it.

Been there twice around 12-15 years old. Just gotta take the kid, now, and re-experience it all over again. Rocky Mtn Nat'l Park is on the list too but I think I can make that in a single haul, or at least stop somewhere just short of an entrance, and make an early morning start. That's how I did South Dakota.. instead of setting up camp at the end of day 1, I just crashed at a motel the end of day 1, and started the hiking and adventuring on day 2, camping that night. Not much loss in time. If I had to drive 6+ hours on day 2, I'd be irked.

I had the same reaction as @hanermo, though... 5 years seems awfully optimistic when there hasn't even been any "leaked photos" from telephotographers camped out near the carmakers test tracks. A company like that can likely get a lot done in 5 years, but 5 years -to market- seems a bit unbelievable. It's inevitable though. I'll be happy when it's normal.
 








 
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