Thread: OT - opening up as best we can. AKA - is it still just the seasonal flu? #3

Originally Posted by dcsipo

Biden has a task force of 13 docs. He also picked Ron Klain as his chief of staff. Ron knows a few things about fighting pandemics

And just to be a good sport, the US is giving this another six weeks head start !

This is like inverting the start at a midget race, makes for more excitement.

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Originally Posted by EmanuelGoldstein

@dcsipo - I suggested a nationwide force majeure last February. People here sneered. A real plan would have kicked this thing in a month, with minimal hurt to anyone, but you guys didn't want to do that. "It's a plot !"

Live by the drool, die by the drool. The nation, as a whole, is stupid.

The knuckle dragger in power did not go with that plan. We are knee-deep in this stuff that looks like drool, hope it is drool

dee
;-D

Originally Posted by dcsipo

Biden's electoral and popular vote margins are getting bigger every day.

dee
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Yeah, they're kinda shooting there self in the foot with this whole count the legal votes schtick.

NY Times had an interesting article on Trump's "outreach" to his base to fund various lawsuits. Turns out the fine print says most of the money goes into Trump's pocket - either to pay for the family's new PAC or to pay off campaign debt. Seems he's worried about the few hundred million coming due on loans.

Meanwhile the DOD is in disarray with the latest moves, but still no substantive action on any help for opening up businesses at the Federal level.

Trump installs more loyalists at the Pentagon as officials sound alarm - Business Insider

White House ‘requesting names of those who clapped out departing Pentagon official’ | The Independent

Originally Posted by PeteM

Meanwhile the DOD is in disarray with the latest moves

Didn't they institute something about refusing to obey an illegal order after My Lai ?

The sucker's done. He ain't shit. Ignore him.

In China, if this happened, they'd all say "yes sir !" but never get around to it. No idea what happened, sir, the dog must have eaten those orders. And the printer is out of ink, we'll send off for some fresh ... damn, due to covid, there's none in the city, we'll have to bring it in from Wyoming ....

Good gawd!

Originally Posted by crazygoat

What I've been wondering is if we had completely shut down for a month or so, would we be better off now rather then the open and close and open and close that we are going through now? Would it basically be over with now? I have no clue, but it seems like countries that had stricter methods are in are better shape than we are now.

You're being kind by asking questions, but no need to wonder. We'd be done. Of course, like the successful countries, we'd have to keep the borders essentially closed with an eye out for the whiners and kindergartners who can't wipe their own nose and "just don't wanna".

The model is there, people. Proven, demonstrated, in place, working. AND the people who've been successful at it are glad to show us how they're doing it. WTF is your problem? "Just don't wanna"? If your company was going down the tubes over some technical issue and your best customer not only showed you how to fix it but volunteered to help, is that what you would say? "Just don't wanna?"

Have to agree with EG on this one - we are pretty damn stupid.

Originally Posted by neilho

Have to agree with EG on this one - we are pretty damn stupid.

EG sure does know it all. I dont know about you guys but the UK looks to china with longing eyes

PCR

Originally Posted by neilho

You're being kind by asking questions, but no need to wonder. We'd be done. Of course, like the successful countries, we'd have to keep the borders essentially closed with an eye out for the whiners and kindergartners who can't wipe their own nose and "just don't wanna".

The model is there, people. Proven, demonstrated, in place, working. AND the people who've been successful at it are glad to show us how they're doing it. WTF is your problem? "Just don't wanna"? If your company was going down the tubes over some technical issue and your best customer not only showed you how to fix it but volunteered to help, is that what you would say? "Just don't wanna?"

Have to agree with EG on this one - we are pretty damn stupid.

Interesting to see what comes, talks in here(finland) have been spinning more to direction of pressing the cases to zero like Australia, New Zealand, Thailand and China have done.
Would have been easier before the 2.nd wave but..

You can only do that if You allow essentially zero flights and planes and private travel into and outof the country, and test, twice, in quarantine, 100% of all entering and exiting traffic including military and diplomats.

Pretty hard to do when private cars can go into sweden and citizens can enter into finland without official quarantine at the border.

It only takes one or two people to start the whole process again, if say asymptomatic officials are allowed to "self-quarantine" and then start with another 40 cases in a government office 2 weeks later.

Temp checks, as was done here in Spain in all schools and all summer in camps, at gyms etc. are totally useless.
They only catch a small minority of cases, a totally useless activity of no real value.
Still, every morning all the kids temps are checked.

Originally Posted by MattiJ

Interesting to see what comes, talks in here(finland) have been spinning more to direction of pressing the cases to zero like Australia, New Zealand, Thailand and China have done.
Would have been easier before the 2.nd wave but..

Originally Posted by PeteM

NY Times had an interesting article on Trump's "outreach" to his base to fund various lawsuits. Turns out the fine print says most of the money goes into Trump's pocket - either to pay for the family's new PAC or to pay off campaign debt. Seems he's worried about the few hundred million coming due on loans.
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Yeah, I'd probably stay away from windows in the future if I were him. Also umbrellas. And perfume spray bottles. And door handles.

And polonium 210.

Those guys don't fool around.

Originally Posted by jim rozen

Yeah, I'd probably stay away from windows in the future if I were him. Also umbrellas. And perfume spray bottles. And door handles.

And polonium 210.

Those guys don't fool around.

or take a walk in a park

Germany accuses Russia of Berlin park assassination - BBC News

dee
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Originally Posted by hanermo

Temp checks, as was done here in Spain in all schools and all summer in camps, at gyms etc. are totally useless.
They only catch a small minority of cases, a totally useless activity of no real value.
Still, every morning all the kids temps are checked.

What do you guys use ? In small venues we use a handheld electronic thing, doorman holds it over your wrist as you walk by. Bigger places have a screen and can scan an entire crowd walking by.

Small effort. If it picks up one child, who can give it to seven children, who can give it to forty-nine children, who take it home to mom dad granny and grandpa, the little tiny effort doesn't seem "useless" to me.

Going by what they seem to have found so far tho, maybe third grade and above ...

Of course if you are using mercury-filled anal thermometers, sure ...

Just thought to chime in. My father just passed yesterday due to confirmed Covid. Apparently the VA home where he was is being ravaged. Details of the severity of the outbreak are under wraps, but we heard they have brought in the National Guard.

Originally Posted by daryl bane

Just thought to chime in. My father just passed yesterday due to confirmed Covid. Apparently the VA home where he was is being ravaged. Details of the severity of the outbreak are under wraps, but we heard they have brought in the National Guard.

Dam... Rip daryl
Take care, D

Originally Posted by daryl bane

Just thought to chime in. My father just passed yesterday due to confirmed Covid. Apparently the VA home where he was is being ravaged. Details of the severity of the outbreak are under wraps, but we heard they have brought in the National Guard.

Sorry to hear that. It is bad having any relative hospitalized today in regard to being able to visit them in hospital. We do not hear much about it except from those with firsthand experience who relate that situation.