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    Quote Originally Posted by empwoer View Post
    you ^^^ kooking ^^^fuck xxx...
    Fixed that for yah.

    Tasmanian.

    Down under, if yah were not aware?

    Sh*t's upside down and backwards by nature, there.
    Last edited by thermite; 05-23-2020 at 03:30 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tim9lives View Post
    Bad shit happens to good people every day. That’s life.
    Bad shit happening to good people seems inevitable.

    Bad people smoking "good shit" as well.

    But what is it that makes bad people smoking imaginary shit think they have the holy, sacred right to make bad things happen to ALL people just because they still have something - anything, really - the bad people smoking shit haven't yet taken away?

    Is it really as simple as saying or writing: "I am a Democratic Socialist" and not even needing a basic food-handler's certificate to go and start eating other people's young?

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    And if you actually listened he said "if someone wants to wear a mask" there should be no "mask shaming".

    How does that get warped among the looney left into "healthy people must wear masks around other healthy people"?

    I thought the left was pro-choice as in "my body my choice"?

    Or does that only apply to abortion and "interesting" relationships and not to wearing masks or receiving vaccinations.

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    How does that get warped among the looney left into "healthy people must wear masks around other healthy people"?

    Okay...I’ll bite. Please explain how a non symptomatic person can know they are truly healthy. When even the test....the best test we have today can be wrong for the first 24 to 48 hours of being infected.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jim rozen View Post
    Or obama? You haven't been listening very well, have you?

    With god all things are possible. Even the virus in trumps teeny little hands....
    Please list all the PM members that wished death on Obama, you should be able to quote their posts for proof. Of course you can scour the internet and find wishes of death on Hillary or Obama in a country of 330 million people. I have found wishes of death right here for Trump, with you, in a group of a couple thousand posters and a couple Democrats I know personally. Wanting people dead who don't think like them is an obvious page in a Democrat's playbook. They call themselves the party of tolerance, of course the tolerance is only for those that think like them, if you don't they hate your guts and wish you the worst.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tim9lives View Post
    How does that get warped among the looney left into "healthy people must wear masks around other healthy people"?

    Okay...I’ll bite. Please explain how a non symptomatic person can know they are truly healthy. When even the test....the best test we have today can be wrong for the first 24 to 48 hours of being infected.
    You are thinking it backwards. When I said healthy I meant with none of the known comorbidities that put a person at risk of serious complications. Since most people experience mild or even no symptoms the wearing of masks does little good for people without underlying health issues.

    It IS perfectly reasonable to ask an otherwise healthy person to wear a mask in the presence of a vulnerable person. Hospitals often require the father of a newborn to wear a mask when visiting the mother and baby. What is not reasonable is to demand that healthy people wear a mask around other healthy people, especially out of doors. Most of the people I know only wear a mask when going into buildings or delivering supplies to elderly shut-ins.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Scottl View Post
    You are thinking it backwards. When I said healthy I meant with none of the known comorbidities that put a person at risk of serious complications. Since most people experience mild or even no symptoms the wearing of masks does little good for people without underlying health issues.

    It IS perfectly reasonable to ask an otherwise healthy person to wear a mask in the presence of a vulnerable person. Hospitals often require the father of a newborn to wear a mask when visiting the mother and baby. What is not reasonable is to demand that healthy people wear a mask around other healthy people, especially out of doors. Most of the people I know only wear a mask when going into buildings or delivering supplies to elderly shut-ins.
    Look.. "sensationalists".. the lot of you.. left OR right "wingnuts" alike..
    Yer arguing shite.

    Common sense - or to use the LEGAL term - "prudent man" - when I head out to buy grub, I slide the mask into place in the carpark before heading towards the store.' This ain't "virtue signalling" atall.

    I may not know, nor give a damn whom I might be at least "partially" protecting if I have the bug and do not even know it.

    I am signalling: "I'm willing to MEET YOU HALF WAY.." hoping you would kindly return the favour of masking to reduce spewing YOUR "might have" cooties in MY direction.

    That simple.

    You think I am bowing down and not exercising my constitutional RIGHTS?

    How about I put a full 13 rounds of .45 "Tactical" off one of my "Basque Lawyers" your direction to prove otherwise?

    Get real.

    Masking has become as simple a social reciprocity as wearing clothes so we don't go around trying to select more interesting-looking genitalia than whomever we are with was built with already.

    "BFD", IOW.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dualkit View Post
    those that think like them, if you don't they hate ...
    Where.. the F**K.. anywhere on "God's Green EARTH"... did you EVER get the idea that a Dumbascrap "thinks like".... or any other direction?

    The entire PROBLEM is that they do NOT "think".

    They simply REACT.

    Same as an Old Skewl Victrola record. And just as broken.

    Read Jim Rozen's posts. He built a "Rotary Phase Converter".

    ..then, when DJT was elected?

    He became one.

    Eating food. Converting it to hate of DJT.

    Conversion efficiency as imperfect as it is, the byproduct is to get progressively fuller of shit as time goes by.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PDW View Post
    ...People like you are the explanation for the USA's 100K deaths and climbing whereas people like me are the explanation for how ours has almost ended. And that's on a deaths/100K of population basis not absolute numbers.
    That's a pretty arrogant comment.

    Between December and March, we had about 3.4 million people arrive from affected countries- China, Italy, France, UK. More than 760,000 from China in December and January alone. That's maybe 10 times the number that entered Australia in that period.

    The US and Australia enacted the travel bans the same time. End of January for Hubei, expanded in February to all of China, than expanded to Europe in early March.

    But we had many more travelers, arriving in many more destinations than Oz, and by a wide margin.

    Quote Originally Posted by PDW View Post
    Want to make a guess at what your eventual death toll is going to be? Heading for 10K per week and not much sign of slowing. Maybe 200K dead by August?
    We have slowed from about 2,300/day at the peak to about 1,300/day today. Half our cases are concentrated in the very dense northeast urban areas. Consider- New York City has a population density of 26,400 per square mile- that's 25 times the density of Sydney.

    I will say again, I hope you guys continue to be spared. But they were saying they had it beat in Singapore, in the beginning of April they had 1000 cases total. Today it's over 30,000.

    China had it beat too- and today all of northeast China is back under lockdown. Wuhan had it beat, and now they are saying every resident of Wuhan will be retested over the next 30 days.

    But you, PDW- you have it all figured out. Good for you.

    Islands are great, but at some point you guys will have to lower the drawbridge. I see no reason to believe this bug is just going to vanish from the face of the earth.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Scottl View Post
    You are thinking it backwards. When I said healthy I meant with none of the known comorbidities that put a person at risk of serious complications. Since most people experience mild or even no symptoms the wearing of masks does little good for people without underlying health issues.

    It IS perfectly reasonable to ask an otherwise healthy person to wear a mask in the presence of a vulnerable person. Hospitals often require the father of a newborn to wear a mask when visiting the mother and baby. What is not reasonable is to demand that healthy people wear a mask around other healthy people, especially out of doors. Most of the people I know only wear a mask when going into buildings or delivering supplies to elderly shut-ins.
    Of course the problem is with this virus is that you can think you're perfectly healthy and yet being carrying the virus for days.

    Regards Tyrone.

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    I am still waiting for Jim Rozen to show me examples of Republican PM members wishing death on Democrat leaders. It is so funny, the party that claims to be tolerant spewing so much hate, what a joke.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dualkit View Post
    I am still waiting for Jim Rozen to show me examples of Republican PM members wishing death on Democrat leaders. It is so funny, the party that claims to be tolerant spewing so much hate, what a joke.
    You'll "wait" until either he's under ground ...or Mt Everest is.

    Functional at most other stuff, uncontrolled "TDS", and such a BAD case OF it it can resemble selective senile dementia when it gets him in its grip.

    Funny "joke" only to the audience. Debilitating to the carrier.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jancollc View Post
    That's a pretty arrogant comment.

    Between December and March, we had about 3.4 million people arrive from affected countries- China, Italy, France, UK. More than 760,000 from China in December and January alone. That's maybe 10 times the number that entered Australia in that period.

    The US and Australia enacted the travel bans the same time. End of January for Hubei, expanded in February to all of China, than expanded to Europe in early March.

    But we had many more travelers, arriving in many more destinations than Oz, and by a wide margin.

    We have slowed from about 2,300/day at the peak to about 1,300/day today. Half our cases are concentrated in the very dense northeast urban areas. Consider- New York City has a population density of 26,400 per square mile- that's 25 times the density of Sydney.

    I will say again, I hope you guys continue to be spared. But they were saying they had it beat in Singapore, in the beginning of April they had 1000 cases total. Today it's over 30,000.

    China had it beat too- and today all of northeast China is back under lockdown. Wuhan had it beat, and now they are saying every resident of Wuhan will be retested over the next 30 days.

    But you, PDW- you have it all figured out. Good for you.

    Islands are great, but at some point you guys will have to lower the drawbridge. I see no reason to believe this bug is just going to vanish from the face of the earth.
    he's a typical elitist leftard, dont waste your breath on him.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jim rozen View Post
    The first amendment.
    A USSC justice.
    Worst of all, the notion that our government is run by smart, compassionate people.
    Jim are you a religious person? You felt loss over the 1st amendment right? Good for you. Jim all we need to do is get you off work and visit our UK friends to have a few pints and talk it over. You work too hard in too much isolation are you not? Regardless once again no judgement on this one.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dualkit View Post
    ...They call themselves the party of tolerance, ....
    Yeah, that went out the window a long time ago, about the time that moscow mitch became a scorched
    earth advocate of killing everything democratic. Your rules my friend, your rules. Buckle your seatbelt
    bunky, it's gonna be a bumpy ride.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Trueturning View Post
    ou felt loss over the 1st amendment right?
    The first amendment has two parts - freedom OF religion and freedom FROM religion.

    Congress shall make NO law respecting the establishment of religion, nor the free exercise thereof.

    First part, FROM, second part, OF.

    The present administration has no problem with the OF, part, but they've killed the FROM part.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jim rozen View Post
    The first amendment has two parts - freedom OF religion and freedom FROM religion.

    Congress shall make NO law respecting the establishment of religion, nor the free exercise thereof.

    First part, FROM, second part, OF.

    The present administration has no problem with the OF, part, but they've killed the FROM part.
    Nice dodge.

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    Thought I'd tune in to hear the combined wisdom of how best to open up the economy, starting back at post #521 to #677.

    Turns out this must be an either / or political thing rather than something with best practices, worst practices. Who knew? Imagine if there were one set of speeds and feeds for liberals (go fast?). And another set for conservatives (go slow?). Only in this case it's apparently the liberals who want to proceed with caution and the conservatives who want to drive 200mph through city streets (one of the above metaphors), telling anyone who's upset to just get out of the way.

    Only jancollc seemed to make the point this shouldn't be an either/or thing. Somewhere between shutting down everything (never done, 80% sitll employed) and opening up everything (stadium-sized political and religious rallies?) there are surely better and poorer ways of approaching this.

    Dualkit pointed out that different stores have different practices - even when owned by the same parent company and in close proximity. So apparently we don't have any best practices, at any level from our national confusion to local stores. Instead, it's become a political football. We have one link that half the "open up" posts are from bots, but empwoer thanks them for agreeing with him and saying the right thing.

    Dualkit also noted that people are playing with their masks all the time - and wonders if that defeats the purpose (on and off etc.). That would be good to know. Does it make sense to put on a mask only when in close proximity -- and fumble around with it in between?

    We did have the study showing that homemade cloth masks aren't nearly as effective as proper N95 when used (one assumes somewhat properly) by medical personnel. We've also had the study (right at post #1) showing that breathing air in closed spaces is a whole lot more of a problem than initially expected -- outside and a bit apart seems better. And if inside, with larger numbers and in close proximity, a proper mask, properly worn, almost surely makes sense. FWIW, I worked with the crew yesterday that tore off our old roof and put on a new one. Masks were worn, not especially well, but most everyone at a bit of a distance. Hand sanitizer readily available to all. Seemed about right to me, though with incomplete information. Didn't seem to hurt productivity. The roof came out great.

    It was a close race (in this thread) to see who get could most outraged politically. Scottl had 11 posts, often about those damned liberals or how it's still just the flu and a plot against our freedoms. Jim held up his end with 12 posts - tied with empwoer also at 12. CalG had 13 posts, not super political. Trueturning also came in at 13. Dualkit had 14 posts - but actually had some observations to share, starting back at post #521. In the end, Thermite pulled way ahead with 21 posts - complaining (in his inimitable style) about liberals complaining. PDW, in his six posts, thinks we're crazy and hopes we don't visit. A few UK contributors seem to think the same, but aren't so blunt about it. All in all, about 28 people contributed.

    Straightedge still thinks it's a scam - he personally sees no evidence of death from this, thinks we shouldn't trust doctors, and chooses to eat raw meat instead. Funny thing is, those perceptions probably won't kill him even though the deaths are real, doctors are likely better at dispensing medical advice than machinists should he ever need it, and who knows about the raw meat?

    To me the most interesting question raised is to what extent our partially effective shutdowns have slowed this down. Jancolic suggests they haven't helped at all - which seems doubtful to me. With maybe only 1-2% infected to date, we might still be at the start of something potentially exponential and with more than one cycle left to run. Right now, we're now at a sort of plateau nationally - with some crediting social distancing, others thinking it's still a hoax, going to stop in hotter weather, etc. etc. Old hot spots are getting under control. New hot spots are showing up. Tied to that question is the notion of what model actually fits this virus' spread - and what actions would have saved lives (and the economy). Answers still not fully in.

    We do know this -- the actual death tolls have blown by pretty much every Trump prediction of good times to come. And an already shaky economy, pumped up on borrowed money for three years, is now about to see how it does with even more debt. And with most of the "help" likely to end up with the the best-connected interests rather than those who might put it to best use. Meanwhile, 156 posts and unless I missed it -- no solid advice or practical ideas on how to open up best as we can.

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    Jordan Peterson Has put it like this, or similar ....

    "It's a lot easier to screw things up worse, than it is to make things better."

    If anyone knew anything for sure about this entire Wuhan Pneumonia episode, How would they know?

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    Quote Originally Posted by PeteM View Post

    Meanwhile, 155 posts and unless I missed it -- no solid advice or practical ideas on how to open up best as we can.
    Masks, properly worn and rigorously used. With the CDC now stating clearly that "contact transmission" is a relatively low risk, it's clear that breath and the virus products it projects are the main contagion method.

    To those that think that masks are an imposition - consider it a gift you give the world, the cross you bear to save your fellow man. For those that feel it's your right to not wear one - perhaps. Perhaps it's also your right to pull out a gun, put it to your grandfather's head, and pull the trigger. Surprise, it's NOT! Nor is it your right to imperil your family, neighbors, or town.

    To those that think it's a hoax - examine your motives. Consider why you need to believe the words of a few demagogues and politicians over the voices of thousands (millions) of doctors, scientists, and sufferers and survivors of those who've died. If you have it, and it's aggressive, it stands a very good chance of killing you and in a horrible way as your organs degrade systemically.

    This is from a Boston paper, a tragic, if "ironic" story of another victim: Longtime American Red Cross executive Donna Morrissey dies of COVID-19 | Boston.com

    Do you want your legacy to be "I don't care"? Well, fuck you if that's how you want to be. I'll continue to do my bit, wear a mask in the presence of others, and try to be a good neighbor and a good citizen.

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