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    Quote Originally Posted by Trueturning View Post
    Send him to college Pete.
    More better the SON stays home and PETE goes-off to pity-party-wallow with his fellow looter-lie-bore-all pointy-haired meantdull acanemics?

    Might even find the meaning to a life somewhere other than annoying the piss outta the grownups on PM?

    What's not to like about that?

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    Quote Originally Posted by empwoer View Post
    no real opposition until 2018? what planet do you live on?

    The one where Republicans controlled both the Senate and House until 2018.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PeteM View Post
    Well, wish pretty much granted on the amateur front. Many of the experienced civil servants have either been fired for doing their job or left in disgust. It's mostly amateurs and former Fox commentators left, except the for stunning number of truly expert financial manipulators in the Trump cabinet and administration.

    I didn't expect Trump to be such a media manipulator during an epidemic either. Imagine thinking he could talk it away to being a hoax, none, just one, 15 and zero, job well done, hundreds, thousands, I take no responsibility, OK, maybe 50-60,000 . . . Could have been a doctor himself -- hey inject some Chlorox, why don't you guys start a trial on that? Pretty much lie or self-congratulate every day.

    Would agree that both under the Obama administration (McConnell sabotage day one) and the Trump administration (no real opposition until 2018 and the House turned) it would be good to see bipartisanship. P&G (the consumer goods company) years ago had an interesting management bit where they would hire young, super smart and motivated product managers, still wet behind the ears but with a fire in them. They backed them up with seasoned professionals in role positions. "Hey, kid, great idea . . . but think about this." It worked pretty well. The trick is that the young hotshots had to listen to the old timers, a bit of respect back and forth. Those were the glory days for P&G.

    Think we could get to something like that?

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    no real opposition until 2018? what planet do you live on?




    Quote Originally Posted by PeteM View Post
    The one where Republicans controlled both the Senate and House until 2018.
    You know....I fully understood what Pete meant. Hell, we were talking politics and Moscow Mitch. 2018, that was when the House flipped.

    The above is part of the problem with some of you guys. It’s like you don’t understand English when the English says something you don’t want to hear. WTF ?

    As far as opposition between Parties...that opposition has been going on since 1776. That’s by design. But when a POTUS has both House And Senate majority’s.

    That’s no opposition, Basic stuff guys. Why would anyone disagree with that ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mark Rand View Post
    Bugger all the party political he said-she said stuff:-

    What ideas have folks got towards getting back to work while minimising the risks of getting or passing on the infection? Working in a one-man shop is OK, but how are people working or planning to work with larger shops or public access? Masks, spacing of work stations, asking employees to avoid contact with anyone except those at work and close family?

    We're doing our best, Wife and I are retired and trying to isolate, but live in son is working. Wife has to visit mother in law (getting senile, can't walk without help) every other day. Sister in law visits other days, but brother in law is working. If son or brother in law get infected, then mother in law is likely to catch it, via us, soon after and is likely to have problems.
    You are also ignoring the obvious, which is that there is one huge benefit to younger people being exposed to the virus. It seems to be generally accepted that plasma containing antibodies from people who have recovered from the virus is an effective treatment.

    All this violation of "social distancing" so condemned by many of you may actually be your salvation in the long run. While in the short term an out-and-about younger household member may present some risk to you, in the long term if enough people don't get exposed and develop antibodies this risk to vulnerable people will last FOREVER.

    All "flattening the curve" does is DELAY the risk of exposure and if you are vulnerable eventually you WILL get exposed as all of the supposed protective measures in use offer only spotty protection at best.

    Waiting for a vaccine is a fool's errand. With proper safety protocols it could take up to two years and if rushed into production the possible bad effects could be worse than the virus and for a greater number of people.

    While I sympathize with your situation I also recognize the futility of extended lock-downs. Even bio labs with extensive protocols have accidental releases and to think the home brew sanitizing and isolation will indefinitely stop a virus is a delusion.

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    Where's Faucci as of late ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by jim rozen View Post
    All well and good except unemployment is now at depression era levels, and 0.1 M have died from this virus.
    These are strong suggtions that trump may be indictable come november. Just imagine, no Moscow mitch to
    help him, no justice department toadies to back him up.

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    More of your insane delusions. Indictable for WHAT?

    You idiots think you can weaponize criminal law against political opponents without future payback. There are limits and the wiser heads among the Dems understand about setting precedents that could be used against them if the balance of power shifted in future. While sitting members of Congress have been prosecuted in some cases, doing so to a former President is a much higher stakes game and a double-edged sword.

    And how you cling to your Russia hoax. Calling Mitch McConnell "Moscow Mitch" because he refused to join the ___ Coup against Trump is absurd. And since you love labels so much how about ...

    Beijing Joe
    Beijing Nancy
    Beijing Diane
    Beijing Adam
    Beijing Chuck

    ... and all the others who have had cozy relationships with China for years?

    Keep repeating your tired tropes. No doubt they help with your masturbatory fantasies which apparently are getting weirder by the day.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tim9lives View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by PeteM View Post
    Well, wish pretty much granted on the amateur front. Many of the experienced civil servants have either been fired for doing their job or left in disgust. It's mostly amateurs and former Fox commentators left, except the for stunning number of truly expert financial manipulators in the Trump cabinet and administration.

    I didn't expect Trump to be such a media manipulator during an epidemic either. Imagine thinking he could talk it away to being a hoax, none, just one, 15 and zero, job well done, hundreds, thousands, I take no responsibility, OK, maybe 50-60,000 . . . Could have been a doctor himself -- hey inject some Chlorox, why don't you guys start a trial on that? Pretty much lie or self-congratulate every day.

    Would agree that both under the Obama administration (McConnell sabotage day one) and the Trump administration (no real opposition until 2018 and the House turned) it would be good to see bipartisanship. P&G (the consumer goods company) years ago had an interesting management bit where they would hire young, super smart and motivated product managers, still wet behind the ears but with a fire in them. They backed them up with seasoned professionals in role positions. "Hey, kid, great idea . . . but think about this." It worked pretty well. The trick is that the young hotshots had to listen to the old timers, a bit of respect back and forth. Those were the glory days for P&G.

    Think we could get to something like that?

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    no real opposition until 2018? what planet do you live on?






    You know....I fully understood what Pete meant. Hell, we were talking politics and Moscow Mitch. 2018, that was when the House flipped.

    The above is part of the problem with some of you guys. It’s like you don’t understand English when the English says something you don’t want to hear. WTF ?

    As far as opposition between Parties...that opposition has been going on since 1776. That’s by design. But when a POTUS has both House And Senate majority’s.

    That’s no opposition, Basic stuff guys. Why would anyone disagree with that ?
    you're fucking high... the dems CLEARLY stated that they WILL impeach trump the minute he got sworn in to the office, they WERE opposing him from the beginning, just started building momentum, and the dem controlled media? what about them? kavanaugh nomination? everything was set against him since the start. you're delusional if you cannot see/recognize/admit that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CalG View Post
    I would contend that all these "faults and short comings" you attribute to the POTUS has much to do with the adversarial actions of about 1/2 of our nations population. I can not fathom such rejection of our election principles. "impeach 45" before the sear in ceremony. Un believable. And the continued harassment.... Collusion, quid pro quo? How can anything get done....

    I'm all in favor of an amateur government. I certainly don't expect the POTUS to be a media manipulator over an epidemic.

    There are far too many thing wrong to be calling faults with efforts.

    Oh! and the distancing from the petro dollar dates WAY BACK. Check it out any time... I suggest we NOT discuss it here.
    . I can not fathom such rejection of our election principles. "impeach 45" before the sear in ceremony. Un believable. And the continued harassment.... Collusion, quid pro quo? How can anything get done....

    I like how you do that Cal. One Jackass Congressman makes a statement that we should impeach Trump, and you then tell me that I own that statement and me and every other Democrat owns it too.
    FWIW, I said early on.... we should give Trump a chance. Personally thatís just how I am. I respect the office of the President.

    But, Iíll add... looks like that jackass Congressman got it right. I was wrong. This president deserves no respect. He is a dangerous man whom has no boundaries. Mark my word. When he loses in 2020. Heís going to ask all of his delusional followers to show up and defend him. They will gather in front of the White House with AR15ís in hand.

    One of those jackasses may even pull the trigger of said AR. That asshole will immediately fall... taken out by FBI sniper hiding in the shadows. The Republic will stand. Jackass Trump will be escorted out the White House by Capital Police...maybe carried out in handcuffs.

    The Republic will stand
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    Quote Originally Posted by tim9lives View Post
    . I can not fathom such rejection of our election principles. "impeach 45" before the sear in ceremony. Un believable. And the continued harassment.... Collusion, quid pro quo? How can anything get done....

    I like how you do that Cal. One Jackass Congressman makes a statement that we should impeach Trump, and you then tell me that I own that statement and me and every other Democrat owns it too.
    FWIW, I said early on.... we should give Trump a chance. Personally that’s just how I am. I respect the office of the President.

    But, I’ll add... looks like that jackass Congressman got it right. I was wrong. This president deserves no respect. He is a dangerous man whom has no boundaries. Mark my word. When he loses in 2020. He’s going to ask all of his delusional followers to show up and defend him. They will gather in front of the White House with AR15’s in hand.

    One of those jackasses may even pull the trigger of said AR. That asshole will immediately fall... taken out by FBI sniper hiding in the shadows. The Republic will stand. Jackass Trump will be escorted out the White House by Capital Police...maybe carried out in handcuffs.

    The Republic will stand
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    to claim that you're not like all democrats means not all democrats are like you. just because you wanted to give him a shot, doesnt mean that ALL democrats did. the outcry from the left was heard round the world when he was sworn in.
    would you care to make a wager on the 2020 election?

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    So my county's re-opening plan has been shelved for the time being, we just had a big outbreak in a fruit processing plant. 65 of 152 employees have tested positive. No hospitalizations as yet.

    This is what they are requiring to return to work:

    Employees must meet the following conditions based on their testing/recovery status.

    ●Employees who have recovered may end self-isolation and return to work under the following conditions: at least 72 hours have passed since “recovery”. “Recovery” is defined as the absence of fever without the use of fever-reducing medication, improvement in respiratory symptoms, and at least 10 days must have passed since symptoms first appeared.

    ●Employees who tested positive but have no symptoms may end self-isolation and return to work 10 days after the date of their test.

    ●Employees who have tested negative must wait 14 days from the date of their negative test result to return to work.

    https://www.firestonepacificfoods.co...l-Update12.pdf
    I don't know what medical professionals devised these criteria, but they seem inadequate to me.

    People who tested positive can return to work sooner than the ones who tested negative?

    Self-diagnosis? Who's bright idea was that?

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    I am at a large medical center getting lab work done today.
    Interesting- there is a two man team working through the facility testing surfaces.

    They are using a single use swab/reagent cartridge which is :
    Pull cap, swab, replace cap, shake five seconds and show to other person recording results.

    Chair arms and seats, door pulls and push plates , counters etc.

    They worked through a 40 chair ~2000 sq ft waiting room in twenty minutes.
    They look practiced and doing a routine run.

    A couple of sites they swab with disinfectant and retest.

    It looks like a baseline survey check.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Scottl View Post
    More of your insane delusions. Indictable for WHAT?

    You idiots think you can weaponize criminal law against political opponents without future payback. There are limits and the wiser heads among the Dems understand about setting precedents that could be used against them if the balance of power shifted in future. While sitting members of Congress have been prosecuted in some cases, doing so to a former President is a much higher stakes game and a double-edged sword.

    And how you cling to your Russia hoax. Calling Mitch McConnell "Moscow Mitch" because he refused to join the ___ Coup against Trump is absurd. And since you love labels so much how about ...

    Beijing Joe
    Beijing Nancy
    Beijing Diane
    Beijing Adam
    Beijing Chuck

    ... and all the others who have had cozy relationships with China for years?

    Keep repeating your tired tropes. No doubt they help with your masturbatory fantasies which apparently are getting weirder by the day.
    “ You idiots think you can weaponize criminal law against political opponents without future payback. ”

    Heck law enforcement has for a very long time been set up this way. In general this is the case. It is interesting to see the light shined on it.

    You do not see much real law enforcement oversight. The only fairness that occurs comes from some good officers. They are human too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jancollc View Post
    So my county's re-opening plan has been shelved for the time being, we just had a big outbreak in a fruit processing plant. 65 of 152 employees have tested positive. No hospitalizations as yet.

    This is what they are requiring to return to work:

    I don't know what medical professionals devised these criteria, but they seem inadequate to me.

    People who tested positive can return to work sooner than the ones who tested negative?

    Self-diagnosis? Who's bright idea was that?
    Who devised them. Iím guessing the CDC. The same CDC with Trump appointments.

    Itís called a failure of the Federal Government. I can assure you one thing Jancollc.... The Obama Administration had nothing to do with it.

    Trump knew that all of this crap was over his kiss ass empty suit Administration. So he just washed his hands....left it to the States....but then said...weíre back. Looks like Oregano ainít back yet.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tim9lives View Post
    Who devised them. I’m guessing the CDC. The same CDC with Trump appointments.

    It’s called a failure of the Federal Government. I can assure you one thing Jancollc.... The Obama Administration had nothing to do with it.

    Trump knew that all of this crap was over his kiss ass empty suit Administration. So he just washed his hands....left it to the States....but then said...we’re back. Looks like Oregano ain’t back yet.
    No, this is being managed by our County Health Dept. with some input from the State. Our Governor is a hard-core lefty- he isn't even talking to D.C. (if you don't count his tweets).

    BTW, the POTUS doesn't make CDC appointments, that's done by the Secretary of HHS.

    Wrt DJT, you should read the Horowitz report and some of the recently declassified transcripts. You will find a whole bunch of Obama admin officials and political operatives denying under oath the very things they have been saying on TV for 3+ years, lol.

    We should learn the fate of J. Edgar Comey and his merry band of conspirators sometime around the end of the summer.

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    Some questions we never hear asked on the TV "news".

    How many of the "cases" of Covid-19 actually have symptoms?

    Of those with symptoms how many were serious;y ill?

    Of the "Covid-19 deaths" how many were actually caused by the virus vs dying of other causes with Covid-19 present or presumed to be present?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Scottl View Post
    Some questions we never hear asked on the TV "news".

    How many of the "cases" of Covid-19 actually have symptoms?

    Of those with symptoms how many were serious;y ill?

    Of the "Covid-19 deaths" how many were actually caused by the virus vs dying of other causes with Covid-19 present or presumed to be present?
    ...and
    "Wheres Faucci"
    "Is Faucci an Obahma appointee ?"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Scottl View Post
    ...Of the "Covid-19 deaths" how many were actually caused by the virus vs dying of other causes with Covid-19 present or presumed to be present?
    I was thinking about this. If someone dies in say a car crash, and they had the virus, it shouldn't be counted as a CV death. If anything, it should be scored at the CFR ratio.

    On the other hand, how many times have you heard of a nursing home with 50 or more deaths in a single month? I have never heard of that before now.

    And I think nursing home deaths are way under-reported. From what I have gathered, if a patient is moved from a nursing home to a hospital and dies in the hospital, it doesn't get counted as a nursing home death.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jancollc View Post
    I was thinking about this. If someone dies in say a car crash, and they had the virus, it shouldn't be counted as a CV death. If anything, it should be scored at the CFR ratio.

    On the other hand, many times have you heard of a nursing home with 50 or more deaths in a month? I have never heard of that before now.

    And I think nursing home deaths are way under-reported. From what I have gathered, if a patient is moved from a nursing home to a hospital and dies in the hospital, it doesn't get counted as a nursing home death.
    Depends on the size of the facility. Several studies have found that most nursing home patients die within a year of admission. Something like 25% of Americans who die died in nursing homes. Reporting those deaths was never especially newsworthy until the start of the panicdemic with its obsessive "numbers" used to instill fear in ordinary people.

    Old People Die Alarmingly Quickly in Nursing Homes, Study Finds | The Snitch

    NURSING HOME - Nation's nursing homes are quietly killing thousands

    In nursing homes, deaths are shrouded in secrecy and silence

    Flu Deaths Rising for Americans Age 65-Plus

    Death rates higher in for-profit nursing homes, report says | The Star

    These 4 Alabama nursing homes have a ‘persistent record of poor care’ - al.com

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    Washington had five deaths from gunshot wounds attributed to CV
    https://www.americanthinker.com/arti...19_deaths.html

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    Quote Originally Posted by Scottl View Post
    Depends on the size of the facility. Several studies have found that most nursing home patients die within a year of admission. Something like 25% of Americans who die died in nursing homes.
    These places are typically 150-170 people, including staff. Wiping out a third of them in month is nothing like "normal".

    Scott, it looks like about 50% the CV deaths are nursing home deaths. That's ~50 thousand, in a population of 1.5 million overall. Then another 25% are people over 65 that are not in nursing homes.

    The impact is real, and to get things back to relative normal we need to do this right. We need to be pretty draconian for the most at-risk population, so everyone else can get back to work.

    That means 100% testing for everyone who goes in and out of a nursing home, and extra precautions for the over-65 crowd.

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