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    Quote Originally Posted by Limy Sami View Post
    Over here, there's a well known school of thought that says ;- every American believes their very own asshole is the centre of the universe
    The hell you say, I thought the center of universe revolved around the crusty old prune you call the queen and the dysfunctional royal family or maybe it was the Kardashians.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Limy Sami View Post
    Over here, there's a well known school of thought that says ;- every American believes their very own asshole is the centre of the universe
    Go ahead. Finish the thought. You KNOW you want to:

    "...and then take turnabout at proving it."


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    Quote Originally Posted by Trueturning View Post
    . . .

    (1) Pete starts a thread and tries to run it like a “dictator”. (I hope I spelled that one right - humor - hire some of that.)

    . . .

    Pete you defend (2) Communism, (3) Socialism, and (4) totalitarian dictators. You have always supported the (5) Chinese and opposed your own (6) president and even have attacked our (7) veterans.

    (8) Come out and say it Pete you believe the Orange ghost is responsible for the protests and riots.
    So, a few points about the squirrels apparently running around your head.

    1) When you start defaming anyone who disagrees with you, yes - I try to nudge the thread back on track. Hardly a dictator, though. Otherwise, you'd be in a gulag for failing to contribute anything of substance in your beyond-numerous posts.

    2) I've never defended Communism. It's a failed system on both the economic and moral fronts.

    3) I've spent more time defending truly free and transparent markets and democracy than socialism. I have pointed out that you apparently either don't know what socialism is -- or hate our socialized police and fire departments, insurance policies, highways, infrastructure, Social Security, or, um, the armed services and socialized wars you can't seem to get enough of.

    4) I hate dictators. Used to argue all the time with that EG guy about his. Unlike your dear one, I'm not a fan of Putin or Xi. I wouldn't kiss up to MBS, Kim, etc. . Also don't like Trump's increasingly-imperial view of himself.

    5) I don't hate the Chinese or think we should start a war with them, but have been a persistent critic of their intrusions on their neighbors, censorship, IP theft, etc. Actually still have PPT presentations from the late 80's noting copycat Chinese manufacturing of things like Milwaukee drills -- and how that might end devaluing the companies that didn't provide a moving target in terms of design innovation. Twenty and thirty years ago I was advising clients to not send production of any critical items overseas and, even for the simple stuff, to to split up things like CAD models so it would be harder to copy the whole shebang. More recently, noted how their "belt and road initiative" is a new form of imperialism. Basically, more squirrels running around inside your head.

    6) You'd be right (finally) about my thoughts on Trump. He's a con man. And most of the wonderful things he's claimed he's done for investors, Trump U. students, manufacturing, the economy, CoViD response, healing the country etc. are lies. Not that you've noticed or care. FWIW, I'm also a critic of the far left's economic imaginations.

    7) I've never disrespected a veteran for being a veteran. Not in the 70's. Not today. I have often questioned the decisions and commanders in chief who've sent them needlessly, recklessly, and in the end fruitlessly to war. My view - a true patriot would follow the Founders advice to beware foreign entanglements and be a bit more careful not to waste lives and treasure in places like Vietnam, propping up dictators, or, say, the Iraq WMD thing - the war they were going to thank us for and pay with their own oil. I gather you cheered them on at the time?

    8) As pointed out in this thread, there's a fringe who will use most any excuse to run wild. Most of them - whether skinheads or race rioters -- caring less about politics. Trump isn't responsible for them -- though he does seem to urge about half of them on and bait the rest.

    You're batting about 1 for 8. And doubling down on trashing the Ninth Commandment - not that trashing any Commandment seems to bother the hypocritical Trump-worshipping Christian right. Now that last one is a slam - something it takes a bit of provoking to earn and doesn't belong in this thread. In your case, however, it seems (unlike 7 or so of the 8 above) a near perfect fit. Chew on it.

    Here's another nudge - stop slandering those who disagree with you and maybe even contribute something of tangible value to the topic of how best to open up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Trueturning View Post
    Pete starts a thread and tries to run it like a “dictator”. (I hope I spelled that one right - humor - hire some of that.)
    Milland and Javenruth were claiming that Korea was a Island a few weeks ago.
    Phantasy.

    There, two birds, one stone. And I think that makes me "without sin."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Limy Sami View Post
    Over here, there's a well known school of thought that says ;- every American believes their very own asshole is the centre of the universe
    My bum assures me it's left of center. Butt it is close to a black hole...

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    Quote Originally Posted by AJ H View Post

    The crappy jobs you mention are mostly all they have. The American economy for people who do not have higher education is minimum wage or a little higher. Many shops start/and keep their employees about $15.00 per hour. It runs $12.00-$15.00 per hour average. That is not enough to live most places given all normal survivable expenses.

    See how shops never invest much to employee development. These employers feel better just hiring from the outside. That is fine until now they complain about competency and for low pay like I mentioned earlier.

    Plenty of improvement needed today. It boils down to “ Owners get comfortable income yet can not afford to pay a livable wage.” If a livable wage is not paid then there is anxiety and resentment for employees. It is not all the employers fault really as they like to take care of their employees at least a handful do. It is the economy or the system.

    It is not the employers fault it is just how the economy of manufacturing is. Globalism is fully supported by the government to the extent that we are suffering now.

    I clinch whenever anyone supports Communist China. The ones who do buy in to easy money and also our country being dependent on other countries. We all can now understand the real costs of globalism and decide to turn around.
    Well...I opened my auto repair shop when I was 21 years old in the year 1981.Before that.... I had worked at a few different Ford Automotive Dealerships. The labor rate was 42.00 an hour for a cash ticket and 38.00 an hour for warranty tickets. If the car was in warranty we didn’t get the same flat rate hourly pay.

    Back then...Dealerships first started to scale down the commission rates of mechanics. Before the gas crisis....Dealers looked at the back shop....repairs and body work....or what’s called parts and service, as just that. It was a service. The gravy for dealers (before the Jap invasions and before the gas crisis) Was selling the car. Car sales paid for all expenses plus formed the profits for dealers. Car sales margins were HIGH. Dealerships could care less for the profits of the back shop. It was a service for the buyers of cars.

    Anyway....just wanted to give a little background. So some time around 1975....mechanics commissions first started to get cut from the standard of 50/50. It was always 50/50.....forever that simple commission rate. So...to my main point. Labor rate was 42.00 and I took home about 18.40 an hour. Mind you....this rate was for the flat rate pay. Changing a battery under warranty and you got maybe 0.3 hours. Checking an electrical system and you got 4 tenths of an hour. Changing a starter....maybe 6 tenths of an hour. R & R an engine and replacing the short block....might only pay you 6.8 hours. Good luck doing that job and making any money. So even though that 18.49 an hour seems like a lot of money...only the mechanics with seniority who didn’t get a lot of garbage warranty work would make more than 40 hours a week.

    So...in 1980...I was getting about 18.40 a flat rate hour. Fast forward. I opened my shop...then in 1997....a car fell on me. Took a few years to get out of the wheel chair....a couple more of general rehab....and then in 2002....I’m well enough to try to get back to work.

    I get a job at a Buick Dealership. Guess what the labor rate was. The warranty and cash rates were something like 112.00 an hour. And guess what my pay rate commissions were. The Service manager wanted to start me at 12.00 an hour. I was shocked. I had to go round and round with him for him to boost me to 14.00 an hour. The top mechanics at the dealership who had been working there for over 20 years were earning 17.60 an hour. I could believe it. Mechanics were making less than they earned 20 years earlier. What bullshit. And the logic was that since they earned less commissions from auto sales....then they had to squeeze blood from turnips. New mantra is that the Parts and Service should cover ALL OVERHEAD. All building rents...all hourly maintenance mans pay...all utilities....everything. That way the car sales was the gravy.

    Just absolutely amazing to me the way America figured out how to screw blue collar workers.

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    Well and good that at least the curve is going down. It seems that the prediction is that a fairly high percentage of small business is not coming back.

    No one wants their kids exposed to this stuff and families are having a very tough time being limited as to where they wish to go.

    I hope the opening up catches momentum. I want to see these rioters dealt with and they will be. Here there a lot of people from somewhere else anyway and so no big surprise some arrested in Miami were from out of State.

    This summer things likely will completely open up. The beaches will not be too crowded in my opinion. We will see. You can be confident if any of you come down that we are doing a very responsible job in Florida. I mentioned when the virus was winding up that here we respect the old and retired. The Virus spreading on ships and nursing homes are something we know well how to handle.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BillE View Post
    If you want to truly blow your mind, helped a mate build spraybooths in my evenings back in the late 70s, early 80s. Here, virtually any enterprise that sprayed, for what must now be close to 40 years, has been required to have one, so hardly unique to the socialists in Ca - even if it does trample liberties to tip your night soil over your neighbour's head below. It's funny how the atmosphere is considered one inexhaustible tip to dispose of toxic shit!

    The car washing, drought or no - and couldn't tell you a number - but even in this backwater, it's been a long time since you could wash cars on hard surfaces and send detergent into the stormwater system without risking a fine. I see the micro business dog groomers can even achieve no runoff and recycling. Personally don't like the prospect of swimming in blue green algae either.
    Downdraft booths have been required here in lowly Louisiana for 25 years. Honestly I think it may be an EPA thing. Also...a lot of that stuff is really required if you want to deal with most insurance companies. If you wanted to fix body damage on any cars with State Farm....the insurance companies wanted to see your downdraft booth and your frame rack.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tim9lives View Post
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    Just absolutely amazing to me the way ++(a few greedy people in)++ America figured out how to screw blue collar workers.
    Fixed that for ya.

    The whole country isn't guilty, just a small number of robber barons. And it's nothing new. When the transcontinental railroad was built they brought in loads of Chinese workers to drive wages and worker living conditions down. Those with the same mentality outsourced U.S. manufacturing to China.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Trueturning View Post
    Well...I opened my auto repair shop when I was 21 years old in the year 1981.Before that.... I had worked at a few different Ford Automotive Dealerships. The labor rate was 42.00 an hour for a cash ticket and 38.00 an hour for warranty tickets. If the car was in warranty we didn’t get the same flat rate hourly pay.

    Back then...Dealerships first started to scale down the commission rates of mechanics. Before the gas crisis....Dealers looked at the back shop....repairs and body work....or what’s called parts and service, as just that. It was a service. The gravy for dealers (before the Jap invasions and before the gas crisis) Was selling the car. Car sales paid for all expenses plus formed the profits for dealers. Car sales margins were HIGH. Dealerships could care less for the profits of the back shop. It was a service for the buyers of cars.

    Anyway....just wanted to give a little background. So some time around 1975....mechanics commissions first started to get cut from the standard of 50/50. It was always 50/50.....forever that simple commission rate. So...to my main point. Labor rate was 42.00 and I took home about 18.40 an hour. Mind you....this rate was for the flat rate pay. Changing a battery under warranty and you got maybe 0.3 hours. Checking an electrical system and you got 4 tenths of an hour. Changing a starter....maybe 6 tenths of an hour. R & R an engine and replacing the short block....might only pay you 6.8 hours. Good luck doing that job and making any money. So even though that 18.49 an hour seems like a lot of money...only the mechanics with seniority who didn’t get a lot of garbage warranty work would make more than 40 hours a week.

    So...in 1980...I was getting about 18.40 a flat rate hour. Fast forward. I opened my shop...then in 1997....a car fell on me. Took a few years to get out of the wheel chair....a couple more of general rehab....and then in 2002....I’m well enough to try to get back to work.

    I get a job at a Buick Dealership. Guess what the labor rate was. The warranty and cash rates were something like 112.00 an hour. And guess what my pay rate commissions were. The Service manager wanted to start me at 12.00 an hour. I was shocked. I had to go round and round with him for him to boost me to 14.00 an hour. The top mechanics at the dealership who had been working there for over 20 years were earning 17.60 an hour. I could believe it. Mechanics were making less than they earned 20 years earlier. What bullshit. And the logic was that since they earned less commissions from auto sales....then they had to squeeze blood from turnips. New mantra is that the Parts and Service should cover ALL OVERHEAD. All building rents...all hourly maintenance mans pay...all utilities....everything. That way the car sales was the gravy.

    Just absolutely amazing to me the way America figured out how to screw blue collar workers.


    And they want you to have $100k in tools to do it. I can't understand how the dealerships are able to fuck the techs so hard at a time when most skilled trade wages are rising. Had a very good young operator leave to work at a dealership because his dream was to work on cars. I warned him he'd work more hours for less money and spend way more in tools. He was back within six months. Friend of mine is a master tech been in the field 20 years or so. I make almost twice in a year what he does. I raised this point in an advisory meeting for the local trade school. I got some backlash from the auto mech class but I felt it needed a light shined on it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PeteM View Post
    Not in my experience. I get an anti-cancer infusion every 3 weeks. Haven't missed one - the office is just taking a few precautions and carrying on as usual. Saw an ENT last week as well, for a regularly scheduled appointment. Again, no problems. And this is California, one of the places first affected, first to social distance, and with a fraction of the cases per capita of most other large metro areas.

    If you want to get really disgusted, take a look at how a medical issue has become a political litmus test.
    Well I'm glad YOU are getting treatment but that doesn't change the fact that most of the elderly I know around here are having in-person visits cancelled while the greedy medical practices attempt to substitute "virtual" visits which are actually more profitable for them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Scottl View Post
    Well I'm glad YOU are getting treatment but that doesn't change the fact that most of the elderly I know around here are having in-person visits cancelled while the greedy medical practices attempt to substitute "virtual" visits which are actually more profitable for them.
    Fair complaint. The flip side of this, however, is that it may be safer for the elderly not to show up in a waiting room with a dozen other variously sick patients, perhaps some asymptomatic with SARS-2.

    Seems we can do a lot of diagnosis without getting in prolonged mask-less contact. Treatment is another story - but with testing finally somewhat widely available that risk can be minimized as well.

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    “Quote Originally Posted by PeteM View Post
    Not in my experience. I get an anti-cancer infusion every 3 weeks. Haven't missed one - the office is just taking a few precautions and carrying on as usual. Saw an ENT last week as well, for a regularly scheduled appointment. Again, no problems. And this is California, one of the places first affected, first to social distance, and with a fraction of the cases per capita of most other large metro areas.

    If you want to get really disgusted, take a look at how a medical issue has become a political litmus test.“

    Pete I am glad you still are getting the treatments. I have had two over the phone doctor appointments and one in person. They are not having many people in. Besides the phone thing is pretty cool. I hope that stays once things are safe. The doctors probably can do a few days worth of visits over the phone.

    The one I had in person was good. I am due in another week to consider if I need to return.

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    Decent review of what we do and don't yet know about the virus. Among other things we still don't know the dose response, why kids have less of a reaction, and how long immunity might last (or if significantly at all):

    After 6 Months, Important Mysteries About Coronavirus Endure - The New York Times

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    Quote Originally Posted by PeteM View Post
    So, a few points about the squirrels apparently running around your head.......

    ......Here's another nudge - stop slandering those who disagree with you and maybe even contribute something of tangible value to the topic of how best to open up.
    Why don't you set an example?

    All I've seen from you is back-stabbing.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Tyrone Shoelaces View Post
    Am I the only one who studied Geography at school ? North Korea is not an island.
    On a more serious note what's the state of dental treatment in the US at the moment ? Over here it's ceased to exist unless you want an extraction.

    Regards Tyrone.
    As far as I know there is very little being done in dental work in Tx or Nv, not sure about other states. I had a root canal in January, the mold for crown was taken in mid February, appointment for fitting crown was 2 days before the lockdown, being that all news stations were reporting "community transmission", I opted to postpone it until things were under control. So now the new crown is sitting in a dentists office in Tx, and I'm trying to find a dentist in Nv that can do the fitting/installation. No idea if dentist in Tx will refund part of the cost so I can pay new dentist, or when I can get this finished.

    I've given up on trying to talk sense to most people I know on the CV issue, they have all lost their marbles and bought into one conspiracy theory or another. No idea how so many in this country got so stupid.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ChipSplitter View Post
    Why don't you set an example?

    All I've seen from you is back-stabbing.

    What?! PeteM's one of the most even-tempered posters here, where do you get "back stabbing" from him? I've rarely (ever?) seen him lash out at someone else, as I've been known to do (but they always deserve it ).

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    Quote Originally Posted by dalmatiangirl61 View Post

    I've given up on trying to talk sense to most people I know on the CV issue, they have all lost their marbles and bought into one conspiracy theory or another. No idea how so many in this country got so stupid.
    Welcome to Facebooklandia, where anyone can set up their own propaganda and disinformation channel without penalty or fact checking. No ridiculous rumor too irrational, no accusation too bizarre - if you can post it, it must be true!

    Someday, someone will do an accounting of how much damage Facebook and that scumbag Zuckerberg have done to the world, and it'll be a horror tale. How we could have so much information but feast on the least nutritious of it is terrifying.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PeteM View Post
    Fair complaint. The flip side of this, however, is that it may be safer for the elderly not to show up in a waiting room with a dozen other variously sick patients, perhaps some asymptomatic with SARS-2.

    Seems we can do a lot of diagnosis without getting in prolonged mask-less contact. Treatment is another story - but with testing finally somewhat widely available that risk can be minimized as well.
    I work in the telemedicine field. The range of services and diagnoses that can be performed remotely is not small. In addition, telemedicine can be a force multiplier. For example, you do not need a neurologist to attend a stroke victim in person, they can service multiple stroke victims in the same time and assist a GP to administer tissue plasminogen activator to relieve ischemic stroke, or an epidemiologist can assess COVID-19 symptoms in elderly and determine the best course of treatment. The notion that somehow the consult in person is more valuable is not a valid assessment. A remote consult may be more timely and thus life-saving, while an in-person visit can lead to complications or just delayed care. In-Person and Remote consults are not interchangeable and should not be used in an exclusionary manner.


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