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    Quote Originally Posted by SeaMoss View Post
    I agree with youse guys on all this stuff but can you explain why it was any better with the Clintons or the Bush fool (Brown & Root, aka Halliburton) or any of the rest of the turds we've had for the past thirty years ?

    Trump is pretty bad but at least it's out in the open. Does that mean our Fearless Leaders have got to the point where they don't even have to pretend anymore ?
    Clinton, Bush, and Obama all released their taxes, and we knew exactly what money they made, and how.
    None of em had businesses they owned that they advertised by visiting every weekend, and making it clear to all donors and lobbyiests that paying to eat, golf, and stay at, could have beneficial effects for them.

    The stuff Trump has been doing has never been done by any president, ever.
    Not even close.

    And no, its not "all in the open"- Trump, and the government under Trump, is more secretive than any previous president.

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    Quote Originally Posted by neilho View Post
    Thanks, spelling correction noted... spellcheckers irritate me no end, and the i before e rule seems to have more exceptions than adherents, so when uncertain I substitute the "good enough for internet" rule.
    That blows the rule of "i" before "e" except after "c".

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    With politicians it's not "i" before "e", it's "i" before "u".

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sea Farmer View Post
    All those presidencies are over. You can't impeach presidents who are no longer in office.
    But you can try them. For murder, for perjury, for various sorts of corruption. There is no statute of limitations on murder.

    Do you realize this team-sports approach to politics just exposes your hypocrisy ? You are in the position you are now because of this "my guy can do no wrong" attitude. If you had made a stink when LBJ lied to Congress, when Bush lied to Congress, when Obama trampled the Constitution into the dirt, then maybe your complaints would carry some weight.

    But under the circumstances, it's just crybaby squalling. You obviously don't give a shit about the law as long as it's your guy breaking it. Guess what ? That makes your opinions worthless.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SeaMoss View Post
    But you can try them. For murder, for perjury, for various sorts of corruption. There is no statute of limitations on murder.

    Do you realize this team-sports approach to politics just exposes your hypocrisy ? You are in the position you are now because of this "my guy can do no wrong" attitude. If you had made a stink when LBJ lied to Congress, when Bush lied to Congress, when Obama trampled the Constitution into the dirt, then maybe your complaints would carry some weight.

    But under the circumstances, it's just crybaby squalling. You obviously don't give a shit about the law as long as it's your guy breaking it. Guess what ? That makes your opinions worthless.
    Sorry Bill, that post was just gibberish.

    You can change your name but not your brain.

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    all modern Presidents do stupid or questionable stuff in the hopes of
    furthering national interests. well maybe with the exception of Jimmy Carter
    but then again he wasn't very effective either.

    it's the doing it to further personal interests that's the problem.

    what is the crazy thing is people like my dad who has hatted trump for being a
    thief for years yet still voted for him.
    and he is still bitching about him

    now I didn't vote for either of trmup or hillary.
    sad but people didn't vote for but voted against in many cases.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sea Farmer View Post
    Sorry Bill, that post was just gibberish.

    You can change your name but not your brain.
    I'm not sure if he's Bill or not. That post was more comprehensible than Bill's usual.

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    Quote Originally Posted by John Welden View Post
    I'm not sure if he's Bill or not. That post was more comprehensible than Bill's usual.
    Bill's posts are comprehensible. He just forgets sometimes that he's supposed to be writing in conversational English not RPN.

    As to the *content* of the posts.....

    PDW

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    now what would you get if you locked Gordon, John and Bill in a room

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    Quote Originally Posted by 72bwhite View Post
    now what would you get if you locked Gordon, John and Bill in a room
    You'd get another thread in this forum.

    Changing writing styles is easy. I can change diction and sentence structure to suit my audience if I want, though I don't see the need very often. I write signs for museum exhibits differently than I write historical essays, because those things get read by different audiences. But Bill has an incentive, many here criticized his "Monarchist" style, including me. It was all egotistical Laurence Sterne crap, "word salad" obfuscation, like he was intoxicated with the exuberance of his own verbosity (see what I mean?)


    But it's harder to change your opinions and outlook on things, and "Sea Moss" (whatever the fuck that means) has the same opinions as "Monarchist" and "thermite." He just writes slightly better because he was roundly criticised for being obscure and impossible to understand when he was "Monarchist." He was obviously proud of his diction when he was "Monarchist" so the criticisms must have hurt his pride, and he's easier to understand now. Except the logic shares the same goofiness, and the same sore spots piss him off the same way.

    It's not importantif it's the same person.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sea Farmer View Post
    But it's harder to change your opinions and outlook on things, and "Sea Moss" (whatever the fuck that means)
    Struck me it could be a play on CMOS which leads straight back to computing.

    My care factor is pretty close to zero, regardless.

    PDW

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sea Farmer View Post
    You'd get another thread in this forum.
    LMAO and you'd probably be right

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    Quote Originally Posted by PDW View Post
    Struck me it could be a play on CMOS which leads straight back to computing.

    My care factor is pretty close to zero, regardless.

    PDW

    Good catch!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sea Farmer View Post
    Sorry Bill, that post was just gibberish.
    Do you need me to diagram them for you ? One really complex if-then construction but the rest are simple declarative sentences. If you can't figure them out, maybe you could get a tutor at the local high school ?

    papa doo ron day ron day oop
    i got it bad for the new girl in school
    she's got some tits that're makin' me drool ...


    Quote Originally Posted by 72bwhite View Post
    all modern Presidents do stupid or questionable stuff in the hopes of
    furthering national interests.

    it's the doing it to further personal interests that's the problem.
    That's the old "ends justifies the means" argument but imo, not a very good excuse. For example, Benedict Arnold was acting in what he thought was the national interest. Charles Manson, ditto. The guy who blew up the Federal Building in Oklahoma. Ollie North. Even Nixon and LBJ ... but you're not supposed to lie, cheat, steal, kill, all that stuff for any reason. Being president doesn't mean you get a double-0 license.

    About using the office for personal gain, $500,000 for a thirty minute speech to the worst criminals we've seen in the US in the past hundred years, that's not "personal gain" ? And the Clinton Foundation ? Hillary never met a nickel she wouldn't spread her legs for, but the Donald gets all this flack ? Of the two, I'd say Trump is more honest about it.

    Greed is obviously a problem but what is the real problem is the way people think any kind of criminal activity is perfectly fine as long as it's their guy doing it. The mess with Donald is because Congress handed over the reins to the previous asshat. Several previous, actually. Maybe if they did their damned job none of this would be a problem.

    sad but people didn't vote for but voted against in many cases.
    Agree with you 200% ...

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    <true Trumpian reasoning below, anything can be justified>

    HRC was doing us a favor by taking those crook's money..,and to boot one hell of a businesswoman too since even though a nickel would have sufficed she got 500K....we should make her POTUS!

    <off>

    Bannon anyone? Gotta love the Brietbart take that "he did his job" which apparently was "monitoring Flynn"

    WTF??
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    What hillary or any other candidate did or has done isn't relevant.
    they are not in office now they are private citizens and are to be left to
    the justice department.
    what is relevant is the actions and behavior of the sitting President,
    appointing foreign agents to cabinet posts and as advisors is a first.
    using the office to further personal and family interests is a problem.

    had hillary won well it would probably already be in the Senate for a vote.

    is "well she was turning trick for a nickle down the street", a relevant argument
    when you get caught buggering boys in a public men's room?

    and Benedict Arnold did it for money and a hurt ego

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    Quote Originally Posted by 72bwhite View Post
    What hillary or any other candidate did or has done isn't relevant.
    they are not in office now they are private citizens and are to be left to
    the justice department.
    what is relevant is the actions and behavior of the sitting President,
    appointing foreign agents to cabinet posts and as advisors is a first.
    using the office to further personal and family interests is a problem.

    had hillary won well it would probably already be in the Senate for a vote.

    is "well she was turning trick for a nickle down the street", a relevant argument
    when you get caught buggering boys in a public men's room?

    and Benedict Arnold did it for money and a hurt ego
    But...what about her e-mails?

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    Quote Originally Posted by 72bwhite View Post
    What hillary or any other candidate did or has done isn't relevant.
    WHAT ?!?!

    Let me rob a bank then try that line of reasoning in court. "Well, your honor, that was last week so it's not relevant now ..."

    What is relevant is how two-faced many people are. Total silence when their own guy does shit but up in arms when the other party does the same thing.

    This has got to stop or we go down the toilet. Wrong is wrong, doesn't matter who does it.

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    yup what a person who isn't the sitting President has or hasn't done isn't
    relevant to impeachment of the sitting President.
    what crimes some one else has or hasn't committed isn't relevant to what crimes you may have committed.
    now that you might be a boy bugger, isn't relevant to impeachment of a President either
    and but joe has sexy with little girls isn't a defense for you buggering boys.

    what a past President or private citizen has or hasn't done is for the justice department to pursue
    not the congress

    is hillary crooked sure is it relevant to what trump is doing no.
    just like what ever mit did isn't relevant either neither one is or has been President.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gordon B. Clarke View Post
    I'll plead ignorance and ask if US Constitution, Article II, Section 4 has ever been applied and if so when and what was the outcome?
    Bill Clinton was impeached by the House but the Senate never convicted. He lost his law license for that (as if he need it).:rolleyes:


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