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    [QUOTE=Trboatworks;3403340]I am less concerned with the reduction of our military than the diminished role we are going to have in world affairs.

    And right now the biggest problem in economic impact, the biggest problem in political impact, and the biggest problem we have
    in cultural impact in the world, can be directly traced to the one orange clown in the white house. The US is currently either a
    laughingstock or, alternatively, a cause of deep concern for the economy of the world.

    Let's insult the head of the federal reserve bank so more. Let's insult some more heads of state. Let's blow up the relationship
    between israel and the US more. Let's order some more american companies to stop trading with china.

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    Lefties = We hate the Fed and the Rich people running it should be in jail! Occupy Wallstreet!
    Trump = The Fed is hurting the Economy by raising interest rates too fast(which is true).
    Lefties = Trump is being mean to the Fed, we love the Fed , orange man bad!!!

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    Democrats = Elects Muslims who want to see Israel and all Jews wiped off the map.
    Trump = Jews probably shouldn't vote for the people who want to kill them.
    Democrats = Trump hates Jews and is hurting our relations with Israel, he's literally Hitler.

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    SND:- Whatever it is that you're taking, you need to stop immediately and get some help before the rest of your brain runs out of your nose!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mark Rand View Post
    SND:- Whatever it is that you're taking, you need to stop immediately and get some help before the rest of your brain runs out of your nose!
    Sorry man, just too high on Freedom and Truth.
    It's not something many left in your part of the world would understand.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SND View Post
    Democrats = Elects Muslims who want to see Israel and all Jews wiped off the map.
    Trump = Jews probably shouldn't vote for the people who want to kill them.
    Democrats = Trump hates Jews and is hurting our relations with Israel, he's literally Hitler.
    Well it certainly appears that the evidence is building that Ilham Omar has big links to Qatar ("sponsorship") - who are HUGE at state sponsored terrorism...

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    Quote Originally Posted by SND View Post
    Sorry man, just too high on Freedom and Truth.
    It's not something many left in your part of the world would understand.
    You mean truth per Fox/Epoch times/Brietbart etc?

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    Quote Originally Posted by SND View Post
    Lefties = We hate the Fed and the Rich people running it should be in jail! Occupy Wallstreet! . . .
    Seems you got several bits of that wrong, SND.

    Let's start with the Federal Reserve. It was started in 1913 under a Democratic administration -- but has been pretty much a bipartisan thing. If anyone hates the Fed, it's likely Republicans wanting it gone. Back to gold an all.

    Then let's move on to Occupy Wall Street and who should be in jail. Far as I can tell not liking financial types skimming money off the top, leading to the Great Recession, is a bipartisan thing. Occupy Wall St. on the left. Tea Party on the right. Most of the middle class and moderates not exactly thrilled either. Lots of us think someone should have gone to jail. I gather you're fine with all that?

    You also got the "Fed is hurting the Economy by raising interest rates too fast" thing wrong. The Fed is now CUTTING interest rates to the 2% range; not raising them. Trump just wants it cut even more, a shot of adrenaline to the economy, in hopes of boosting his approval in the next few months. The risk in that is a deeper and harder-to-escape-from next bust.

    By and large Trump grabs anything he can -- and calls it his own -- to make himself look good. Then blaming someone else or creating a distraction when/if it goes wrong. This "grabbing" includes Trump U. student tuition, subcontractors earnings, praising a book he didn't write as second only to the Bible, later the Jew's "Chosen One," grabbing a next wife or porn star, charitable donations funneled to payoff lawsuits (or fake Time Man-of-the-Year covers and a ceiling-high Trump portrait), thousands of pathological lies, likely tax fraud and Russian money laundering, employing illegals while decrying them, having Trump branded trinkets made in China while decrying the loss of jobs, plus -- more to the point -- trillions of debt based tax breaks and repatriated cash to boost the stock market. The interest rate thing just one more in a long line short-term grabs that are putting our economy in longer term peril.

    The Fed is supposed to be an independent institution, run on a bipartisan basis, to help keep our economy in a good balance of employment, sustainable growth, and no more than moderate inflation. Like everything else in Trump world, he treats it as an enemy if it's not working overtime to stroke his ego or kiss his increasingly fat ..ss.

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    Quote Originally Posted by barbter View Post
    Well it certainly appears that the evidence is building that Ilham Omar has big links to Qatar ("sponsorship") - who are HUGE at state sponsored terrorism...
    Or, Trump's nose being firmly injected into prince Bone Saw of saudi arabia's ass. The country that actually DID attack the US on 9/11.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jim rozen View Post
    Or, Trump's nose being firmly injected into prince Bone Saw of saudi arabia's ass. The country that actually DID attack the US on 9/11.
    True - but if you have a lot of time on your hands, here's a whole lot of info... Imam Mohamad Tawhidi (@Imamofpeace) | Twitter

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    Quote Originally Posted by barbter View Post
    Well it certainly appears that the evidence is building that Ilham Omar has big links to Qatar ("sponsorship") - who are HUGE at state sponsored terrorism...
    Well, I'm with you on Qatar being another despotic, extraction-based regime. Probably small potatoes compared to the Saudis or Iranians, but then they did bribe their way to hosting the next World Cup. Good luck with that burnishing their reputation.

    But as for Omar, I doubt she'll do much harm - except maybe as a target for the right. She's one of 435 Congress Critters and should be only a bust or boon to her District. Pretty much the same as the multiple nut jobs on the fringes of the right. Even her own party leader isn't apparently much of a fan. It's only when a super majority of them vote as a block that we even have the chance of getting screwed. In a functional Congress it might even useful to have the disparity of viewpoints in the country represented, left and right.

    Do think we have a few too many lawyers and political "science" grads, maybe not enough engineers and real scientists? We ever had a machinist?

    Meanwhile a snap shot of some of her peers - seemingly more bought and paid for then ever: GovTrack.us - Congressional Misconduct Database

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    Quote Originally Posted by PeteM View Post

    Do think we have a few too many lawyers and political "science" grads, maybe not enough engineers and real scientists? We ever had a machinist?
    When the congress starts living/working under the same laws we all have to live under, then we'll talk.

    Right now, they can speed and disobey traffic laws at will.
    They can insider trade securities at will.
    They do not have to buy health insurance, it is provided. (that's very handy for them)
    They do not have to fly coach, or pay for their travel.

    I could go on and on.

    Term limits are the only real solution.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Thunderjet View Post
    . . . Term limits are the only real solution.
    I'm with you on most of that.

    However, term limits don't have much effect if the next candidate up is picked and backed by special interests and hidden money.

    This is one of many studies showing that even when a clear majority of Americans want some policy change, there is a small chance they'll get it. But when large sums of money (now hidden money) are promoting something most Americans don't want -- there's a large chance the special interest gets their way. The influence of elites, interest groups and average voters on American politics - Journalist's Resource

    Job One: get the hidden money out of politics. After that we might keep good public servants around longer -- or rotate them in and out -- as we wish.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PeteM View Post
    This is one of many studies showing that even when a clear majority of Americans want some policy change, there is a small chance they'll get it. But when large sums of money (now hidden money) are promoting something most Americans don't want -- there's a large chance the special interest gets their way. The influence of elites, interest groups and average voters on American politics - Journalist's Resource

    Job One: get the hidden money out of politics. After that we might keep good public servants around longer -- or rotate them in and out -- as we wish.
    What is the point of "voting" then if this is the case? Is it all a bunch of theatre so "we the people" think we have a say?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rob F. View Post
    What is the point of "voting" then if this is the case? Is it all a bunch of theatre so "we the people" think we have a say?
    Rob, we just have to work a bit harder at getting the facts.

    As you know, California has a Proposition system that special interests try to game all the time. What has pleasantly surprised me is how often voters see through this and don't go along. What makes it harder to do this in the national system is the hidden money for disinformation, attack ads, etc. With the states, a special interest has to wage 50 expensive state-wide battles to get its way. At the Federal level, it's one battle - still Koch or Goldman money expensive - but with a greater return on bribery, um "investment."

    I think Bullock's proposal is pretty simple and brilliant. If a business (pharma, energy, defense, insurance, hedge fund, real estate, whatever) wants to do any business with the Federal Government (and they all do) it has to disclose what money they spend on political lobbying and where it went to. They still get to spend it -- but all of a sudden the ad attacking some candidate or proposition has a name like "Coca Cola" or "Shell Oil" attached to it. There would be less behavior they'd be ashamed to see the light of day -- and voters better able to sort the "what's in it for them" in any lobbying.

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    two words:

    Full disclosure.

    Stop hiding the money. No "super pacs".

    If labor gives money, they disclose ALL OF IT. No more giving to the "party".

    If corps give money it's all accounted for.

    No more sweetheart deals for "Authors" writing "books" and getting 8 million dollars as a forward.

    No more allowing candidates to write op-ed pieces in the New York times and the Wa-Po free of charge.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rob F. View Post
    What is the point of "voting" then if this is the case? Is it all a bunch of theatre so "we the people" think we have a say?
    Exactly. Read Manufacturing Consent if you want to feel sick.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rob F. View Post
    What is the point of "voting" then if this is the case? Is it all a bunch of theatre so "we the people" think we have a say?
    I must admit it does look like "theatre". US elections last for so long that those running must have a great deal of money at their disposal to last the distance. Can any "ordinary" Joe or Mary ever hope to run and get elected to any top position?

    In a perfect world politicians should be representative of their country.

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    “In a perfect world...”
    We have been disabused of that notion long ago ..


    It’s a curious system- votes land you in the office but special interests seem to dictate what gets done once there.
    And self interest- wow.
    No wonder this is on the constitution:

    https://fas.org/sgp/crs/misc/IF11086.pdf

    Rick Santorum :

    “Hell no... I hope I never hear of that again”...
    Can anyone say a bridge too far...


    And Iraq.
    Oh boy.
    The existence of war profiteering is much a godsend.
    Otherwise the whole maneuver would stand as one of the most ill reasoned acts ever taken by congress.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Trboatworks View Post
    “In a perfect world...”
    We have been disabused of that notion long ago ..

    It’s a curious system- votes land you in the office but special interests seem to dictate what gets done once there.
    And self interest- wow.
    Elections and Referendums / The Danish Parliament

    Not perfect but pretty much every vote counts here. Now and then a "joker" gets elected to parliament but that eventually passes.

    Several years ago we had a comedian that (much to his own surprise) got himself elected by promising things like the wind blowing on your back when cycling. He became popular when he said things like "If work is healthy give it to the sick".

    The strange thing is that after getting elected he turned out to be more sensible than the hardened politicians.

    Who is … Jacob Haugaard? – The Post

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