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    Quote Originally Posted by john.k View Post
    Asian factories are world leading standard in everything ,with a few exceptions like chips ,and that wont last much longer
    Hello John,
    I strongly disagree with your above statement. The quality of Chinese manufacturing surprisingly is still grotesquely poor. Meanwhile, many other manufacturers are climbing the ladder at a pace that the Chinese cannot match.

    My statement is fact, my opinion is; "A Communist Country is not equipped to trade globally".

    How many Chinese, Russian cars and airplanes have you traveled in?

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    Even though PPE medical equipment is a baby step...sometimes it takes baby steps to get the ball rolling. Everyone needs to call their legislators...send emails to their legislators and demand a law requiring all PPE used in America’s medical facilities must be made in the USA.
    This is a very easy transition for America’s manufacturing base. We’re talking about seamstress and robotics. And Tyvek and filtering materials which are already manufactured in America.

    But it takes us to demand this. And while we have the public on our side....including every medical worker...every doctor and nurse....we are talking about a hugely powerful lobby group.

    It can happen and once a law like that occurs...Legislators and political parties feel it’s a winning platform and it spreads like wildfire. Let’s face it...in the current grand scheme of medical costs in America....PPE Costs is a small part of the equation. It’s like the cost of an aspirin while facing a stroke.

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    Here’s a little background on how it can get going. But it takes us demanding it.

    Hiring Americans and bringing jobs back to the U.S. has been a cornerstone of President Donald Trump’s campaign and presidency. Yet as we previously discussed on Marketplace, Trump is not the only president to advocate for America-first policies. One such policy was the Passenger Vessel Services Act (PVSA), which was signed into law by President Grover Cleveland in 1886.
    Under the PVSA, only ships built in the U.S., owned by U.S. companies and staffed with American crew are allowed to ferry passengers from one U.S. Port to another, according to US. Customs and Border Protection. As a result — even today, more than a century later — the law still affects who certain commercial ships, like cruise ships, can hire.
    The PVSA is similar to another century-old maritime regulations that made the headlines this week: the Jones Act. The act prohibits foreign built and owned ships from transporting goods domestically similarly to the way that PVSA prohibits the transportation of people. On Thursday, the White House announced that it was temporarily lifting the act’s restrictions for ten days to allow foreign ship to ferry goods from various U.S. ports
    to Puerto Rico in order to speed up its recovery efforts following Hurricane Maria.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tim9lives View Post
    But it takes us to demand this. And while we have the public on our side....including every medical worker...every doctor and nurse....we are talking about a hugely powerful lobby group.

    It can happen and once a law like that occurs...Legislators and political parties feel it’s a winning platform and it spreads like wildfire. Let’s face it...in the current grand scheme of medical costs in America....PPE Costs is a small part of the equation. It’s like the cost of an aspirin while facing a stroke.

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    Here’s a little background on how it can get going. But it takes us demanding it.
    That doesn't WORK. An old friend called it right.

    Our Congress is a "Parliament of WHORES!"

    What DOES work, then?

    "Folks" start making their buying decision every damned order - best alternatives as can be found, each go, until we EVENTUALLY have "weaned" ourselves OFF the many and several teats of unwanted "dependency".

    FASTER that way, even if it means you detour via European, LATAM, or other Asian sources.. I started a while ago, already. WEG (Brazil) motors and VFD, AND NOT Chinese ones, UK-made DC drives. UK- caught and packaged frozen seafood. Thai, Korean, or Taiwanese - not Chinese - even for Asian condiments and foodstuffs.

    Can't get there directly "all at once"?

    We don't HAVE to do.

    We didn't "offshore" all at once, either.

    But over the long-haul, 340 million consumers making wiser choices are faster and more effective that watching Congress-whores enrich themselves off a many-human-generation rolling set of "workarounds" and loopholes that reward our manipulators ....and don't really solve the dependency problem, anyway!

    Just look at how many tap and drill brands Dalien Top Eastern owns. Some factories right here in the USA. Others right there in the EU.

    "Buy American" doesn't stop a single drill order from DoD contractors lining Chinese pockets. They "own" factories in the USA. They "own" socialist-democrat Governors and Congress-Whores and their families to protect their interests.

    Buying Viking, Triumph, Brubaker, or at least Guhring drills DOES put money onto other-than Chinese pockets.

    Vote with your spend.

    No delay for Congress-whores to get THAT message and twist it . as well as raking-off a "percentage" as overhead for "administering" it!

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    My car is made in Thailand .......in a factory owned by Ford ,built by Ford ,with Mazda input ....Ford ,GM ,Caterpillar,etc have always had factories all over the world ,and simply close the unprofitable ones and open new ones in low cost locations ....which happen to be in Asia at the moment. ....These Yankee companies like two things .....cheap labour ,and compliant governments totally in controll ...No preference for weak democracies ,or reactionary populations....Sovereign risk isnt about wars ,its about strong ,pervasive central government in controll .

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    Here you go. A form letter to send to your representatives. Copy/paste and add your reps names.
    The time to act is now. Mankind starts to run by first walking...before that crawling and baby steps.
    PPE is a baby step. But complaining without acting....then you have nothing to complain about. Write your Senators and Congressional Representative.



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    Dear Representative ______


    The lack of PPE is both a dangerous issue for our healthcare workers and a danger to Americas strategic defense. To add insult to injury, it is now apparent that not only have the Chinese cut off exports of essential medical supplies... but they are now spreading lies and misinformation which weakens Americas worldwide standing as a superpower.
    Legislators must unite to demand all essential PPE must be made in the USA. This type of legislation is not new.

    Passenger Vessel Services Act (PVSA), which was signed into law by President Grover Cleveland in 1886.
    Under the PVSA, only ships built in the U.S., owned by U.S. companies and staffed with American crew are allowed to ferry passengers from one U.S. Port to another, according to US. Customs and Border Protection. As a result even today, more than a century later the law still affects who certain commercial ships, like cruise ships, can hire.

    Please make an effort to require PPE must be made in the USA. PPE is a small part of the total costs of medical costs so this would not add a huge amount of money to medical care. Plus we would be bringing manufacturing back to the USA.
    Furthermore....there is now speculation that the second wave of of CV19 will be coming this fall. The time to act is now.

    Best Regards,
    Your name.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CarbideBob View Post
    The question is where does this move to.
    The move out of China was already underway, just ask Vietnam, India and others.
    Out of this one expects new health and safety, screening, etc. rules here in the states. This will raise US manufacturing costs.
    So called third world countries will not have these regulations or union rules.

    I have no idea how some think this will be good for USA manufacturing or bring that work back.
    If anything it accelerates what was already happening. On shore costs will go up, off shore prices will decline.

    I do not like this viewpoint expressed here by myself at all and for sure do not want to say such,..... but reality sucks.
    This could be a big turning point. I do so hope it turns into US making but odds seem not in favor of such.
    Bob
    It depends on the product. For example, I do work for a printed circuit board manufacturer and before this pandemic started, some of the customers of this company re-shored a few product lines, and those included pcb's of a well known welder manufacturer. Also, one big line recently was brought back here from Mexico. All were quality issues.
    Since the pandemic started, a manufacturer of medical equipment just re-shored a major manufacturing line of pcb's from PRC and now this company I do work has lots of new work and lots of overtime.
    They told me that the extra cost to have those lines manufactured here is worth it for the higher quality. And this is just one pcb manufacturer in a small town in Mn.

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    The United States has been at war with the Chicoms since the early 1950s. They have known it all along, but our leaders, with a few exceptions, have not been able to keep it in focus. Everything the Chinese do is calculated to defeat the U.S. in the long run. It is a shock to realize that if you don't buy from China, your competition will, with no room for your product. The latest attack is not an accident, but a well planned program to weaken the economies of the U.S. and Europe. I know that you progressives will howl at this idea, but we can always count on you boys to applaud the dictators and murderers. Regards, Clark

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    Quote Originally Posted by sealark37 View Post
    The United States has been at war with the Chicoms since the early 1950s. They have known it all along, but our leaders, with a few exceptions, have not been able to keep it in focus. Everything the Chinese do is calculated to defeat the U.S. in the long run. It is a shock to realize that if you don't buy from China, your competition will, with no room for your product. The latest attack is not an accident, but a well planned program to weaken the economies of the U.S. and Europe. I know that you progressives will howl at this idea, but we can always count on you boys to applaud the dictators and murderers. Regards, Clark
    Your Theory, Clark

    Is valid

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    Quote Originally Posted by thermite View Post

    Vote with your spend.
    I don't often grasp your point of view, but you are 100% correct.

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    And....just drive it home because its well said.


    The United States has been at war with the Chicoms since the early 1950s. They have known it all along, but our leaders, with a few exceptions, have not been able to keep it in focus. Everything the Chinese do is calculated to defeat the U.S. in the long run. It is a shock to realize that if you don't buy from China, your competition will, with no room for your product. The latest attack is not an accident, but a well planned program to weaken the economies of the U.S. and Europe. I know that you progressives will howl at this idea, but we can always count on you boys to applaud the dictators and murderers. Regards, Clark

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    Quote Originally Posted by tim9lives View Post
    Here you go. A form letter to send to your representatives. Copy/paste and add your reps names.
    The time to act is now. Mankind starts to run by first walking...before that crawling and baby steps.
    PPE is a baby step. But complaining without acting....then you have nothing to complain about. Write your Senators and Congressional Representative.



    **************

    Dear Representative ______


    The lack of PPE is both a dangerous issue for our healthcare workers and a danger to America’s strategic defense. To add insult to injury, it is now apparent that not only have the Chinese cut off exports of essential medical supplies... but they are now spreading lies and misinformation which weakens America’s worldwide standing as a superpower.
    Legislators must unite to demand all essential PPE must be made in the USA. This type of legislation is not new.

    Passenger Vessel Services Act (PVSA), which was signed into law by President Grover Cleveland in 1886.
    Under the PVSA, only ships built in the U.S., owned by U.S. companies and staffed with American crew are allowed to ferry passengers from one U.S. Port to another, according to US. Customs and Border Protection. As a result — even today, more than a century later — the law still affects who certain commercial ships, like cruise ships, can hire.

    Please make an effort to require PPE must be made in the USA. PPE is a small part of the total costs of medical costs so this would not add a huge amount of money to medical care. Plus we would be bringing manufacturing back to the USA.
    Furthermore....there is now speculation that the second wave of of CV19 will be coming this fall. The time to act is now.

    Best Regards,
    Your name.
    Things of this nature are often forgotten. I appreciate also that the tariffs were used in the past to place the interest of the country safe.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sealark37 View Post
    The United States has been at war with the Chicoms since the early 1950s. They have known it all along, but our leaders, with a few exceptions, have not been able to keep it in focus. Everything the Chinese do is calculated to defeat the U.S. in the long run. It is a shock to realize that if you don't buy from China, your competition will, with no room for your product. The latest attack is not an accident, but a well planned program to weaken the economies of the U.S. and Europe. I know that you progressives will howl at this idea, but we can always count on you boys to applaud the dictators and murderers. Regards, Clark
    I agree this virus was orchestrated !act of war we shall see...

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    "Vote with your spend"
    Very few folks know or care where their stuff comes from, they just want cheap.
    We make every effort to buy American in our household but it is a big job, it costs us more, these items take longer to get as most of the time they are not in the local store. For jeans I buy "Prison Blues" and "Texas jeans", my shoes are "SAS", my socks are "TCK" my machines are Haas, my endmills are Garr, Niagra, or Destiny, I buy mostly Kaiser aluminum and on and on...
    In the end I think I am only hurting myself. Some years back there was a news crew interviewing workers on strike from a Cadillac plant talking about how they needed more, more, more then one got in his Kia and drove off.
    Big box stores would be gone in weeks if Americans made some real effort to buy American, many talk a big story then they go "vote with their checkbook".

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    Quote Originally Posted by kustomizer View Post
    Big box stores would be gone in weeks if Americans made some real effort to buy American
    No they would not. Their POS (Point Of Sale) system shows a drop in sales OF "P's Of S"?

    It doesn't get reordered for restock.

    Eventually the POS system flags the "P's Of S" as "stale", marks it down, or puts it up for "remaindermen" to bid-on to buy in bulk. See "Big Lots", "Overstock", et al.

    Harbour Freight would be in a world of hurt - Home Depot or Walmart, not so much. They are adapting every day.

    Why are we expected to care in either case?

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    Just like you said Thermite. Politicians are whores. If a social media wave hit the net and then the news about legislation to make sure the Chinese never screw us again on such a minimally expensive part of medical care yet an essential life saving aspect of medical care...PPE for medical workers....then the political whores will be breaking down the doors to introduce bills requiring PPE to be made in America.
    If the right state of the art manufacturing does the deed and there’s a minimal price difference.....that baby step leads to a quick pace in the US based manufacturing.

    It can happen.

    By the way....FWIW....American factories will never employ the masses like days past. But...it’s still some employees plus it’s money that stays in the USA. It’s also less money for a communist nation which wants to dominate the world. Their practices are shameful. Sticking an island in the China Sea and declaring a 200 mile territorial boundary around their man made islands. Who does that ?

    And...labor cost are now a Very small part of total manufacturing costs. Robotics and automation are the key. Making stuff in the USA and competing isn’t that hard to do.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tim9lives View Post
    Just like you said Thermite. Politicians are whores. If a social media wave hit the net and then the news about legislation to make sure the Chinese never screw us again on such a minimally expensive part of medical care yet an essential life saving aspect of medical care...PPE for medical workers....then the political whores will be breaking down the doors to introduce bills requiring PPE to be made in America.
    If the right state of the art manufacturing does the deed and there’s a minimal price difference.....that baby step leads to a quick pace in the US based manufacturing.

    It can happen.
    "Too soon you forget." Not talking about a "mistress", here.

    Whores have NEITHER of long-term loyalty, nor "exclusive" customers.

    It has been said the USA has the best Congress that money can buy.

    But there's a MAJOR caveat:

    As is the usual with whores? The f*****s will not STAY BOUGHT!

    No loyalty.

    No inertia tied to anything more enduring than their own instant gratification.

    Pressure of public opinion doesn't last long, their attention too it, less than half again.

    Vote direct popular vote with a shift in your spend? They are bypassed.

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    But...And as much as I criticize they guy.....Bringing back manufacturing to the USA is exactly what Trump wants. It caters to his base. So that in and of itself takes care of all of the GOP Congressmen and Senators....And lets face it. Whores as they are....none of them have a spine. And all of them....Have their noses way up Donald’s ASS

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    Quote Originally Posted by tim9lives View Post
    But...And as much as I criticize they guy.....Bringing back manufacturing to the USA is exactly what Trump wants. It caters to his base. So that in and of itself takes care of all of the GOP Congressmen and Senators....And lets face it. Whores as they are....none of them have a spine. And all of them....Have their noses way up Donald’s ASS
    Ripofflicans? No they do not. He stumbles, they'll have him sliced up and sold for lard and bacon before he hits the ground.

    They have even LESS loyalty then the Dumb-ass-craps.

    The major difference:

    - Ripofflicans love to pretend they are on-side with a winner.

    - Dumb-as-craps are forever posturing to demonstrate their power of sticking together by intentionally backing LOSERS and forcing them into office off the sheer mass of greater fools voting the party line "regardless".

    They are proud of how well that works, slave plantation owners onward, they do it well enough to forever be attracting more fools from a bottomless supply by offering "free stuff" they do not deliver, nor ever planned to do.

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    I’m not going to argue nor do I disagree that there’s no loyalty. But....from what I’ve observed in the last three years...the GOP is scared to death of the Wrath of Trump. Moscow Mitch might stand up to Trump...but he’s the real politician. And being the politician he is....Bringing Manufacturing Back to the USA is an awesome campaign slogan. Whores that they are....they all know an easy mark.

    Right now.....USA manufacturing is a win win.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tim9lives View Post
    I’m not going to argue nor do I disagree that there’s no loyalty. But....from what I’ve observed in the last three years...the GOP is scared to death of the Wrath of Trump.
    Nonsense. Trump cannot reliably HELP them, he is so toxic. They can harm HIM easier than the other way 'round, and they DO!

    McConnell is nothing special. He's just one of the few actually doing his JOB more than he's doing posturing. Schumer is SUCH a persuasive orator, few notice he's selling nought but nicely packaged obstruction.

    Whether one LIKES what either does as his job is a separate issue - they JFDI, regardless.

    Pelosi is the one leading a charmed life on the hill.

    Dumbass-craps don't like her, nor how she has damaged their "brand", but dare not disobey her. She CAN hurt them, badly so, and does do. Nothing nor nobody can influence her for long.

    She keeps right on doing what she chooses to do. F**king up everything in range in the serene confidence that at the end of the day, history will show Trump will be the one blamed, regardless.

    She may be right, on that, too. Folks are short-term smarter and long-term stoopider than they care to admit. They'll forget what damage the Dumb-as-craps have done by next election, remember only that "we need to beat Trump" matters.

    Even if so doing bankrupts every last one of them within year-ONE, they will have "WON!"


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