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    Quote Originally Posted by Scottl View Post
    Japan occupied Korea during WWII. At the end of the war the Soviets began moving into Korea, starting at the north. The U.S. began moving in from the south but only had enough men to go as far as the 38th parallel, removing Soviet justification to takeover the entire peninsula. That is how we got a divided Korea. Five years later Soviet Russia AND China encouraged the North to invade the South.

    Soviet pilots flew against U.S. forces during the war and Chinese troops entered the war as direct combatants as North Korea was on the verge of losing. At first their massive human wave attacks overwhelmed U.S. and South Korean forces but eventually were able to fight back until a stalemate was reached, leading to a truce that is in effect today.
    Jeez. I deliberately wrote "after 1949" for a reason. Go bang your drum.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Scottl View Post
    In short he's a shill for China, despite claiming otherwise. I think he's possibly part of their team of cyber-warriors who troll the internet trying to counter adverse opinions of China.
    No. He just isn't as biasedly blind as you and knows more about what goes on in the world than you. I don't like his style just as much as I dislike thermite's but he's right more often than wrong. You live in a bubble.

    It would do you good to go to China for a couple of weeks. Regard it as a wake up call.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gordon B. Clarke View Post

    It would do you good to go to China for a couple of weeks. Regard it as a wake up call.

    It would do you good to go to Hong Kong for a couple of weeks. Regard it as a wake up call.

    I know China looks wonderfully modern to visitors. What they don't see is the totalitarian nightmare that lurks just below the surface.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gordon B. Clarke View Post
    No. He just isn't as biasedly blind as you

    It would do you good to go to China for a couple of weeks. Regard it as a wake up call.
    You're probably right Gordon.

    If he, or any American would go to a communist dictatorship for a "few weeks" they might actually see how they do stuff.

    He could see first hand how they treat their citizens. he might actually see how they restrict the flow of information, how there is no free press, how they monitor every transaction with the west.

    I've dealt with this crap first hand. Don't try to tell me that the Chicoms are anything but a ruthless dictatorship that wants to control every part of Chinese life from what you can read, to how many kids you can have.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Thunderjet View Post
    You're probably right Gordon.

    If he, or any American would go to a communist dictatorship for a "few weeks" they might actually see how they do stuff.

    He could see first hand how they treat their citizens. he might actually see how they restrict the flow of information, how there is no free press, how they monitor every transaction with the west.

    I've dealt with this crap first hand. Don't try to tell me that the Chicoms are anything but a ruthless dictatorship that wants to control every part of Chinese life from what you can read, to how many kids you can have.
    I was in China in October. How did you deal "with this crap first hand"?

    I was in Chongqing, Guilin and Guangzhou. Nothing but smiling, friendly faces everywhere. You probably think everything was staged for my benefit

    I know there are problems some places in China but there are in the USA too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gordon B. Clarke View Post
    I was in China in October. How did you deal "with this crap first hand"?

    I was in Chongqing, Guilin and Guangzhou. Nothing but smiling, friendly faces everywhere. You probably think everything was staged for my benefit

    I know there are problems some places in China but there are in the USA too.
    Not to disparage your in-depth knowledge of countries based on tourist or business visits, but if your in-depth knowledge of China is as good as your in-depth knowledge of America I'd say both were strictly superficial.

    In post after post you have showed almost a total lack of understanding about ordinary Americans despite having (you claim) spent large amounts of time here on numerous visits, so .......

    Need I remind readers That Otto Warmbier was so enamored of North Korea and so convinced of its benign nature after numerous visits that he was tempted to commit an act that in other countries would have been a minor infraction, but in NK resulted in a lengthy sentence to the brutal gulag system that killed him.

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    Jeeze, Scott ... are you that old guy shaking his cane and ranting at them radio waves for interfering with the weather ? Sure seems like it ...

    Quote Originally Posted by Scottl View Post
    The poster who identifies as "EmanuelGoldstein" is very much an advocate of China. Although he now identifies his location as United Kingdom at other times he has listed at least one U.S. state and even China itself as his location. In spite of the United Kingdom location I think he may still live in China as on the Tesla thread after repeatedly bragging about electric vehicles in China he responded to one of my posts saying I should see for myself, even inviting me "here" to see all the electric vehicles including 100% electric scooters. Does that sound like the UK to you?
    Please try to keep up, okay ?

    The UK is there because there is no dropdown for Airstrip One. And everyone knows Emanuel is here, there and everywhere, a constant danger to society. That's why we have to excoriate him in the two minutes' hate.

    Emanuel is the direct result of non-existent censorship in the land of the free. His earlier incarnation was vaporized. [(s) if you are a dyed-in-the-wool Brit.]

    In post after post he presents the official Chinese version of history,
    No, this is the factual version of history, borne out by names dates and addresses. Documents. Reports. Books and newspapers. Newsreels. University of Chicago papers and reports. That kind of thing.

    Now, it's quite possibly wrong. People cannot even agree on what Reality is, much less what happened on Market Street in 1916 (although there was a photo showing Mr Mooney 2 1/2 miles away just five minutes before). So, yeah, maybe. But as far as I can tell from research, it's not "China's version" but the version of history anyone would get if they looked at real sources. (John Birch Society pamphlets generally don't count.)

    and in numerous others he constantly belittles the U.S. and especially its military.
    They fucking-A deserve it. They are worthess, expensive, and incompetent. They fuck up everything they touch. This ain't 1942 no more. Those dipshits could break the ears off a brass donkey.

    If you were not blinded by pseudo-patriotism you could see that.

    In one post he belittled the USA for not using electric railroad locomotives, a conversion that would benefit China's CRRC since the USA has no domestic manufacturers of such and the heavily subsidized CRRC manages to offer lower prices than other foreign competitors.
    Or the other possibility is you dipshits could have General Electric actually build some fucking electric locomotives. But noooo, you can't do that anymore ! Someone's hands might get dirty ! Do you have any idea how much that would cost ?!?! Why would anyone spend money on that when google returns 537% profit in a single week !

    The US is screwed up (unless you are an investment banker) and if you can't see that, you are blind.

    In short he's a shill for China, despite claiming otherwise. I think he's possibly part of their team of cyber-warriors who troll the internet trying to counter adverse opinions of China.
    Yeah yeah yeah, right. Since you know all about it, tell me where I can go to sign up. I could use a few free lunches. Do they have pizza ?

    Quote Originally Posted by Scottl View Post
    It would do you good to go to Hong Kong for a couple of weeks. Regard it as a wake up call.
    Was just there. Just like normal, the street girls said Hi Scott ! You want massajee ? Beautiful lady ! Happy ending !

    I know China looks wonderfully modern to visitors. What they don't see is the totalitarian nightmare that lurks just below the surface.
    Absolutely. Just below the surface. Mari lywd of all sizes and shapes, but every one is scary and has big teeth. It's great.

    Quote Originally Posted by Trboatworks View Post
    "The US was involved from the git go"

    You sound again like you are again presenting a US aggression explanation for regional conflict. The "Pawns" begin subjected to a power struggle.
    In this case, not US aggression ... more of a competition between two large powers to grab a strategic position. But we sure as hell didn't do it out of the goodness of our hearts so from that point of view, yes aggression. Vietnam was certainly US aggression and so were Afghanistan and Iraq. And the Phillipines and Mexico and the US west and a few others like Iran, Chile, etc etc. Like, two hundred fifty-eight more cases, I'm sure. The US is pretty big on aggression. That's the most annoying thing about US policy - not as much that it is stupid (which it frequently is) but the hypocrisy behind it. We must have inherited that from the Brits and their bullshit "white man's burden".

    So what would happen in the absence of the US- the region would simple be overrun by the strongest regional player.
    Yeah ? So ?

    How would the outcome of a unified Korea under communist rule being present right now had we not "saved the world for democracy" rest with you- just fine?
    Probably. Instead of buying Doosan, guys would be buying Jones & Lamson and maybe have jobs that were worth a shit, instead of stacking boxes at Home Depot. Have you thought of what really happened here ? For political and economic advantage for a certain group in the US, a different group in the US was sacrificed. The sacrificial group was us. That tends to affect my thinking on some of these subjects. If I were a stock broker I'd probably have a different opinion.

    From where I am sitting saving the world for democracy worked out just fine given the alternative...
    The alternative ? Who the fuck cares if Korea is communist, socialist, democratic or howls at the moon on Wednesday nights ? It's their life and their problem to deal with. There is no good reason for the US to decide for the whole damned world how they are going to live.

    Quote Originally Posted by Thunderjet View Post
    You're probably right Gordon.
    That'd be a first

    If he, or any American would go to a communist dictatorship for a "few weeks" they might actually see how they do stuff.

    He could see first hand how they treat their citizens. he might actually see how they restrict the flow of information, how there is no free press, how they monitor every transaction with the west.
    I might see that if I were more than a casual visitor, I guess

    Just for accuracy sake, I think I mentioned this before but first came to Shaanxi in 1991 I think ? Is that long enough ? Three passports ago so can't verify. Have been the house honky in joint ventures, done training and setup and installation, contracted at several wofes, have had a registered chinese company since 2009, lived in factories, villages, and haerbin beijing skankhai xi'an. Downtown skank at the moment, two blocks from jing an si. Done my share of pointless meetings (ugh), dinners, been robbed and feted and put in my time upholding the reputation for foreigner skills in dongguan. Two is fun, three is too many, can't keep track. Done chun jie and grave sweeping and family dinners up the wazoo. Been inside plenty of live-action chinese soap operas. I may have a little bit more than a tourist view of the country. And oh yeah, I was kidnapped last week. But the cops came and paid the 6 rmb ransom. What a relief

    Or maybe twenty-seven years is not long enough to understand the terrible life that chinese people have.

    I've dealt with this crap first hand. Don't try to tell me that the Chicoms are anything but a ruthless dictatorship that wants to control every part of Chinese life from what you can read, to how many kids you can have.
    Okay, I won't tell you that. I am sure you knw more about this from Missouri than I do from xinzha lu / jiaozhou lu. Maybe next time I see the neighbors downstairs (they are old) I can ask about the terrible life they lead. Maybe young people missed out on that, so far no one I know has mentioned it.

    Sheesh. I'm sorry that reality can't penetrate your theories but will just have to live with it. But I gotta say for posterity sake that you are totally and entirely wrong. There's plenty to bitch about in China but it's none of the things you speak of.


    Sorry, gotta leave, have to visit a friend who recently got a job with an Italy company. She's furious and thinks they are shit. Just offhand I'd say conditions here are different than you believe.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Scottl View Post
    Need I remind readers That Otto Warmbier was so enamored of North Korea and so convinced of its benign nature after numerous visits that he was tempted to commit an act that in other countries would have been a minor infraction, but in NK resulted in a lengthy sentence to the brutal gulag system that killed him.
    Oh, sorry I missed this ... umm, where did you get this story ? out your nether regions ? Every single account I have read said that Mr Warmbeer (couldn't help myself, da debbil made me write it) had some sort of exchange program scheduled in Hong Kong, he thought that a trip to North Korea might be interesting and signed up to go on the way. Never heard or read ANYTHING about being enamored of North Korea, convinced of its benign nature or any of that other crap. Maybe it was hidden from us ?

    As for the prison sentence, obviously he was a pawn in the Axis of Evil game, the US spouted some self-righteous bullshit and someone in NK took the opportunity to strike back. Far from "the brutal gulag", everything I have seen or read said that something happened in prison, no evidence of physical mistreatment, he went into a coma from causes unknown (I'm guessing the food, except for the pickles korean food is pretty bad, imo) and they apparently kept him as well as possible afterwards. The doctors in the US who examined his body said as much. (Not his parents, who were obviously distraught and can't be credited with advanced medical knowledge)

    However, this one is real ...


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    A lot of words to seeming deny how it works.

    There are nations which form alliances to create regional structures whose effect can be measured.

    South Korea is one of the most dynamic economies in the world and enjoys the benefit of being a liberal democracy.

    “Who the fuck cares”
    At issue is can we ever join in alliance and towards what end.
    In the Korean conflict the result is clear.

    You do realize the Korea and China begged the League of Nations to interfere on their behalf against outside aggression don’t you?
    You recognize that the failure to do so directly resulted in the pacific war?
    The UN was determined to not repeat these mistakes as a great number of people give a fuck about the obvious result of inactions.

    You are portraying a fantasy where nations stand in isolation and there are no consequences for action or its absence.

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    To EmanuelGoldstein,

    Everyone is fully aware of your dislike for the US and the US Military.

    So now what? You think you really get any traction by your constant stupidity and ignorance?

    You have become that little yipping Chihuahua, constant and annoying.

    When someone addresses your posts you go full on attack mode. There is no conversation with you, it is simply your way and that is it. If they address your dislike, you go high order on a anti-US/Military rant that ends up nowhere and produces nothing of value.

    I am sure you will respond to this post with a rant. So be it.

    What is your experience within US military or any? No, I am not talking about what propaganda you read or a story you heard. What is your actual experience? My guess is, very little if any. You will have some story I suppose. But again, it will amount to nothing and be that yipping chihuahua.

    You mention the US and its "self-righteous bullshit", go look in the mirror.

    By the way, have a good day and relax a little. You don't have to convert people, just relax and be happy and productive in other ways. If you hate the US and the US military so much, go join the North Korean Military and stand your ground. You can still post on PM, but now you can post from a true position vs your yipping chihuahua platform.

    My thoughts, relax. Its ok, it will be ok.

    Cheers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Scottl View Post
    Not to disparage your in-depth knowledge of countries based on tourist or business visits, but if your in-depth knowledge of China is as good as your in-depth knowledge of America I'd say both were strictly superficial.

    In post after post you have showed almost a total lack of understanding about ordinary Americans despite having (you claim) spent large amounts of time here on numerous visits, so .......
    Lighten up. Much of what I post is from personal experience and I've never claimed to have "in depth" knowledge of other countries. What I post is mostly what I experience from being there.

    I don't know where you get your information from but I suspect TV and Google are two of your main sources.

    You live in a reasonably peaceful state and the only country you are close to is Canada.

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    Quote Originally Posted by drom68 View Post
    So now what? You think you really get any traction by your constant stupidity and ignorance?
    Far be it from me to tell you what to do, but it might be more interesting for the audience if you came up with some sort of rebuttal to my position instead of just name-calling.

    But if that's all you can do, thanks for making the attempt.

    gan bei !

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gordon B. Clarke View Post
    Lighten up. Much of what I post is from personal experience and I've never claimed to have "in depth" knowledge of other countries. What I post is mostly what I experience from being there.

    I don't know where you get your information from but I suspect TV and Google are two of your main sources.

    You live in a reasonably peaceful state and the only country you are close to is Canada.
    Don't you have a sub forum of your own now, where you can torture small minions ?

    I'm thinking you agree it would be better if you were still on ignore.....

    Don't bother a reply.

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    Quote Originally Posted by digger doug View Post
    Don't you have a sub forum of your own now, where you can torture small minions ?

    I'm thinking you agree it would be better if you were still on ignore.....

    Don't bother a reply.
    Doug, I really do worry about you.
    What is wrong with having one (1) forum where you must not go off topic and all the others I just do as I please.

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    I do not think that there is enough interest for a sub forum about subs. Call it the sub-sub forum or would it be the submarine sub forum?
    I do remember the diving bell ride at Playland in San Francisco
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    Quote Originally Posted by Trboatworks View Post
    Picking sides is not the same as starting a fight.
    The region was contested before our influence.
    It is as I said- the US did not so much start the wars as decide the outcome.
    You missed the trick, hippy. First you install your puppet (Syngman Rhee, Diem, Ky, Reza Pahlevi, Marcos, Hussein, Noriega, etc) then you come in to "help", pick sides, punish the puppet who misbehaves, whatever.

    That way you can claim clean hands and altruism but the reality is quite different.

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    Quote Originally Posted by digger doug View Post
    I'm thinking you agree it would be better if you were still on ignore.....
    If a person clicks on an AKA and then "View Profil" it's possible to see who's looking at your posts. For somebody that claims to have had me on "ignore" I still don't know how camscan is always one of the first 3 on the list.

    camscan, converterking, Demon73, e-fishin-c, Hardplates, Mark Rand, Newman109, plastikdreams, Shapeofwater, Sub-Micron

    I'd ask camscan not to reply but he can't not reply LOL

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gordon B. Clarke View Post
    If a person clicks on an AKA and then "View Profil" it's possible to see who's looking at your posts. For somebody that claims to have had me on "ignore" I still don't know how camscan is always one of the first 3 on the list.

    camscan, converterking, Demon73, e-fishin-c, Hardplates, Mark Rand, Newman109, plastikdreams, Shapeofwater, Sub-Micron

    I'd ask camscan not to reply but he can't not reply LOL
    Sorry,wrong person. I have never put any person,or you,on ignore.
    Once again I will say that I have never read anybody's profile.
    Yes I have unintentionally opened people's profiles but I just close them again.

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    Quote Originally Posted by camscan View Post
    Yes I have unintentionally opened people's profiles but I just close them again.
    How does a person "unintentionally" open a person's profile again and again and again? Once, even twice can be an accident but constantly? Uncontrollable twitchy fingers?

    You are a spreader of terminological inexactitudes. That certain sounds better than "liar".

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gordon B. Clarke View Post
    How does a person "unintentionally" open a person's profile again and again and again? Once, even twice can be an accident but constantly? Uncontrollable twitchy fingers?

    You are a spreader of terminological inexactitudes. That certain sounds better than "liar".
    Because on a cell phone the title and/or page numbers are right above the ops name. I just did it 10 minutes ago to you and earlier to someone else...I do it probably a few times a week. If only I just zoomed in.

    Btw, you are engaging in off topic conversation in this thread. Please cease or I will be forced to report subsequent posts.

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