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    Default New Machine day

    We have been upgrading some of our equipment and received two new die cutters.MASTERCUT 145 PER - Autoplaten(R) die-cutter - Overview '|' BOBST.

    We had put two in the last few years to replace some older models. These will replace another two.They are not much faster but are completely redesigned.

    The first one they had some difficulty lifting it off the flat bed.It takes 3 trailers for each machine.


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    I cant get the viedo to load,however the riggers used this lift and another smaller one to lift the platen and drive the trailer out from under. The large Versalift was tipped up with the movable counter weight fully extended. The Versalift also had a remote control unit.

    When I first looked out back and didn't see the driver and the ass end up in the air I was thinking this don't look good. The riggers had it under control and when the second one arrived they decided not to take any chanches.

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    The second one might have been overkill.

    They used what looked like 3/4-1" plates on the flat bed and the loading dock to keep from tearing any thing up.
    The platen weighs over 38 tons.Then skated it several hundred feet to its slab.The Versalift spotted it by its self.
    This is the slab work being done. The older machines slabs were deeper but not as wide.The foot print of the platen is similar and both are rated at 550 ton.But they had to cut the old slab out and replace it,with all the re bar in it presented quite a job.20210331_104250.jpg20210331_104332.jpg20210331_110323.jpg20201228_073405.jpg

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    Don't know why the pictures inverted,couldn't fix it.The link in the first post has a nice video of the machine. The cutters cost 3-3.5mil ea. We are also getting our own laser to burn the die boards. We were going to get a water jet to cut our die rubber decided to get a blade type since we use sticky back rubber.
    I really liked that crane,looked new.

    Covid hasn't slowed us any and lucky we haven't had any infections.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ratbldr427 View Post
    The second one might have been overkill.

    They used what looked like 3/4-1" plates on the flat bed and the loading dock to keep from tearing any thing up.
    The platen weighs over 38 tons.Then skated it several hundred feet to its slab.The Versalift spotted it by its self.
    This is the slab work being done. The older machines slabs were deeper but not as wide.The foot print of the platen is similar and both are rated at 550 ton.But they had to cut the old slab out and replace it,with all the re bar in it presented quite a job.20210331_104250.jpg20210331_104332.jpg20210331_110323.jpg20201228_073405.jpg
    It looks like you hired some well equipped riggers. Nice old lift still at work.
    Congrad's on your new machinery and slab work being done.
    Going forward in life feels good.
    I may flip your photos.

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    I moved each photo to the paint program and made a small mark on each and saved them. They wouldnt flip any other way.
    Attached Thumbnails Attached Thumbnails ee3r.jpg  

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    mllud22, if you don't mind post how you flip them ,seems to be a common problem.

    I'm not sure who contracted the riggers,us or the manufacturer. The crane was here for 3 days so I don't imagine it was cheap.

    There are a few riggers that specialise in printing equipment that we use. I sure they move all kinds of other stuff but its nice to have people that are very familiar with specific equiptment. I've got a picture here somewhere of a gantry that the riggers who moved our older cutters used. It was propane and or electric powered hydraulic, self propelled with vertical and horizontal upper beam movement.

    When we moved into this plant in 2000 we moved most of the plant equipment our selves .That gantry would have been one heck of a time saver.

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    mllud22, Thank you!

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    Its interesting to me that the company that makes these, Bobst, is Swiss- land of high taxes, high wages, and NOT China. I have found similar situations with high tech tools and equipment from Italy, Spain, and Germany- the good stuff, the machines that are the world leaders, and expensive, are still made in Europe or Japan, and seem pretty resistant to lower wage countries, or countries with no environmental or safety laws.
    Which kind of makes me think that, with the right government policies, (all of those european countries, and Japan, have heavy government industrial policies, training programs, tariffs, loans, and similar unified federal policies that support manufacturing), The ol USA could actually be a world leader again in sophisticated, high value added, high wage, manufacturing.

    At least, I can hope.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ries View Post
    Its interesting to me that the company that makes these, Bobst, is Swiss- land of high taxes, high wages, and NOT China. I have found similar situations with high tech tools and equipment from Italy, Spain, and Germany- the good stuff, the machines that are the world leaders, and expensive, are still made in Europe or Japan, and seem pretty resistant to lower wage countries, or countries with no environmental or safety laws.
    Which kind of makes me think that, with the right government policies, (all of those european countries, and Japan, have heavy government industrial policies, training programs, tariffs, loans, and similar unified federal policies that support manufacturing), The ol USA could actually be a world leader again in sophisticated, high value added, high wage, manufacturing.

    At least, I can hope.
    The German's and swiss always made great printing and related machinery.
    Spent about 20 years in the trade. Rotogravure and process printing.

    Ratbldr427

    I also failed several times at rotating the photos.
    What worked was first rotating the photo
    Opening it in the PAINT program and made a small change and then saved it.

    In the PAINT PROGRAM you have to make a small change for it too ask you to { save changes.} If you look in the upper right corner of each photo I just made a little mark with the mouse. Then hit [ save changes ] when it asked.

    There may be an easier way but that worked for me. After rotating the photo on your computer and EDIT it in some other small way and save the changes may also work. Resize does not work
    Its frustrating when that this happens.
    I use to think that it was caused by the direction that you hold your phone when you take the photo. Not sure about that causing the sideways pics.

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    I'm amazed if I'm reading the Versalift data plate correctly...the machine itself only weighs 13,500# ?!?!? I know it features an extendable counterweight but....

    My little Hyster weighs 11,500# and that's not even a 10k machine. Maybe that weight is for the mast by itself

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    Matt, that is for the mast. There is another for the truck.forklift-1.jpg

    This will make more sense. That thing is pretty stout!
    We hired a mechanic that worked for RingPower for 10 years or so as a lift mechanic. So he takes care of all our trucks. I was by their shop one day(Ring Power) and they had a fork truck that was designed to lift freight containers. That was pretty stout too!

    Now I just have to teach him about printing machinery.

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    100K# @ 24"

    Right......


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    Quote Originally Posted by Ox View Post
    100K# @ 24"

    Right......


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    That's only 50 tons.

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    " @ 24" "


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    Quote Originally Posted by Ox View Post
    " @ 24" "


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    Yup, I think I would trust that decal.
    It's a pretty beeg machine.

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    How many 100K loads have you lifted that had a 24" or less C/L?



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    Quote Originally Posted by Ox View Post
    How many 100K loads have you lifted that had a 24" or less C/L?



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    Ohhh I see your point now...OOPSIE

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    Yea, kinda like the 15K lift we rented to off load a lathe one time and the rental company delivered one with 42" forks. WTF ? Like lips on a chicken!!

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    How else would you list the capacity? On a truck with that capacity it would probably make more sense to list at 48" or more. Ultimately it is up to the operator compute weather the load can be lifted or not, and all the info is there.

    What didn't help on the first one was they lifted it with the crate still on which moved the center another 8-10".It was probably over 40" coupled with the height on the flat bed. But they also had a pretty stout lift on the other side.

    Anyway once inside the plant the VersaLift had no problem spotting the platen(38+tons) on the slab. I think this is the first one that used a FL to spot one , all the others used a gantry.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dan from Oakland View Post
    Yea, kinda like the 15K lift we rented to off load a lathe one time and the rental company delivered one with 42" forks. WTF ? Like lips on a chicken!!
    That's so they can charge you an additional rental fee for the 72/84/96" forks

    Rented a 15k a ~year ago and had to spec the additional forks as a line item.

    Otherwise heavily effective in picking up large ingots of pig-iron and not much else.

    Aside note on the rental, it did the job I was asked to do then I was surprised with a manifest for an incoming CMM granite slab, 12k on a double drop deck. Looking closer at the paperwork, and its in a crate, 96" wide, 14' long and 96" tall. I bring up the fact that based on seeing the size of crate we are under capacitized (eg, 15k @ 24" vs 12k @ 48") and got angry comments back about 12k vs 15k????. After explaining the counterbalance moment physics, I called the millwrights who were loading it at another site to confirm and they were using a VersaLift 40/60....(!) Not even close to my 15k. After some more time it was determined that a 30k could be rented locally but it was an all out stretch to get funds cut loose in 1 day, bottom line the plant ended up paying riggers 2X the rental rate for a ~15 minute job as they had a line of credit and would work first and bill later. Reminded of the old adage, people are in charge of things for absolutely no reason


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