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    Quote Originally Posted by Stuart Caruk View Post
    Silly question..... Does your machine have a relocation detector on it? It's of the vintage where they were installed. Once the machine is moved and powered up, your SOL unless a Mazak service tech comes onsite to reset the detector. It's designed to fink on you if the machine was moved from its original location to comply with a government mandate.
    no relocation detector, no relocation detector error. as i know, mazak began to put it in machines in 2008.

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    Ok, just checked. We have no chip conveyor, so there is no any buttons on it. But there is cooling unit with 2 pumps. Its hard to connect it right now, but im pretty shure that its not the cause. or im wrong?
    Last edited by ChatJokey; 07-30-2013 at 05:38 AM.

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    Then, It might missing the manual pulse generator ( Manual hand wheel)!!!

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    manual hand wheel is on the place.

    everything is like on this photo

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    Quote Originally Posted by Joe788 View Post

    If parameter R2117 is set to 0, just set it to 1. Then create program number 1, and just put a dwell and an M30. Power off and back on and see what happens.
    Prameter R2117 should be 9990. It is default value after reloading the data. warm up program name is 9990.
    I cant say for shure if R2117 is 9990, bacause i couldnt gain access to PLC R parameters today. After unlocking the hiden parameters with 1131, couldnt find it.
    But it should be there, according to manual. So i cant tell if it is 9990 right now.


    May be i'm doing something wrong?

    If someone needs some more photos or videos of how machine behaves, i can do it if it helps.

    About Ladder monitor. Opened it today and found out that its not so easy to find what causes an e-stop using it. ( Need some skill to do that. Will try to figure out how it works tomorrow.

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    R parameters are tricky.

    Go to DIAGNOS>VERSION>DIAGNOS MONITOR.

    Then cursor down to the bottom middle of the screen until the Rnnnn block is highlighted, and type "R2117" then hit Input. That'll bring up R2117. Not sure what to do after that, but you'll be able to see it at least.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Joe788 View Post
    R parameters are tricky.

    Go to DIAGNOS>VERSION>DIAGNOS MONITOR.

    Then cursor down to the bottom middle of the screen until the Rnnnn block is highlighted, and type "R2117" then hit Input. That'll bring up R2117. Not sure what to do after that, but you'll be able to see it at least.
    thanx. I'll try

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    img_0730.jpg, this hand wheel
    Quote Originally Posted by ChatJokey View Post
    manual hand wheel is on the place.

    everything is like on this photo

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    Dylan0218: have not such option. Handwheel is mounted in panel.

    today i have made scram clear again, delete and restore all data. Almost nothing have changed, except new error, that can be cleared. Also tool magazine not functioning in auto and manual modes. Is it has to be in e-stop mode? magazine parameters are ok.



    cant solve the warm up and work no. errors. Program seems to be on the place, param is the same value as a progr.

    Where should be the location of this warm up program? May be its not in the place?

    alarm led behind the panel, is ps emg.


    now about the ladder.
    I have found m3800 that is responsible for emergency stop.
    When im not pressing mf1 + reset its looks like this


    pressed, like this


    T134 is some king of timer, that causes e-stop is my fast look guess. But where, or what is it exactly, idk.

    One more thing. tool is clamped in toolholder. I think the previous owners just shuted down the machine with clamped tool. Couldnt figure out how to release it in e-stop mode.

    Also I filmed a mrj2 display state. There are AL 02 4C 01 blinking. Video will upload later.

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    Do you know how to create a program?

    Hit:

    PROGRAM>WORK NO>9990>INPUT>EIA

    Then just put a little dwell and an M30 like this:

    G04X3.

    M30


    I don't know if that's going to do you any good, because one of your alarms is that the warm up program is designated as 0 or above 9999, which it obviously isn't (assuming R2117 is the right parameter). Then again, your machine doesn't even have auto power on and warmup to begin with, so who knows what's wrong with the parameters.

    That tool unclamp error is no big deal. Do you have the manual clamp/unlcamp switch in the unclamp position? It's just telling you that it won't unclamp because the spindle isn't oriented.

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    yes. i got this switch.

    about the program. it already exist. I have opened it. There is some code. But i can change the code of course.

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    Ok, maybe try checking parameter RB6 bit 7, as shown here in the manual. Make sure the auto warmup is invalid.


    Problem is, I have no idea how to find parameter RB6.

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    The RB parameter is for the MAtrix Control. The 640MT fusion Control do not have the RB parameter.

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    anyone got the R parameters with description? I got it on separate paterlist, with no description (
    as i know i can change it on diagnosis monitor in privilage mode
    here

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    E stop alarms cleared and machine is alive.

    The reason was that turret gone to the limits during transportation. I was almost shure about it from the begining, cause these bumb guys didnt fixed it. and i got the same problems with several machines before. Th weird thing, that there was no alarms about this.

    Ok. Now I'll explain what have to be done in such situation.
    1) Press and Hold mf1 button.
    2) Add reset button
    this will run the machine and will clear both estop-alarms
    3) release the reset button. (machine is runing)
    4) While holding mf1, select jog mode (1,10 or 100)
    5) Select axis
    6) move axis in the opposire directon of limit position.

    7) release mf1 button and now machine wont stop.

    Thanx to all for support and advises.

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    Machine is working, but minor problems appears to be not so minor. Machine stuck on X-axis. Other axis are fine. I can move it 2-3 mm both sides with a jog, but then it has huge load and servo malf, and e-stop. I think that it can be because of faulty brakes (does this machine has brakes on X-axis?) or rust somewhere, or it mechanicaly fixed. I have checked all around, and it seems, mechanicaly nothing prevents x-axis to move.

    Any sugestions to solve this?

    p.s. sorry for bad eng.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ChatJokey View Post
    Machine is working, but minor problems appears to be not so minor. Machine stuck on X-axis. Other axis are fine. I can move it 2-3 mm both sides with a jog, but then it has huge load and servo malf, and e-stop. I think that it can be because of faulty brakes (does this machine has brakes on X-axis?) or rust somewhere, or it mechanicaly fixed. I have checked all around, and it seems, mechanicaly nothing prevents x-axis to move.

    Any sugestions to solve this?

    p.s. sorry for bad eng.
    Perhaps someone installed the original shipping bracket (or fabbed new one) to the X-axis?

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    No brackets. I checked it before moving all axis.

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    Are you sure there isn't a bracket up top where you can't see it? Or tucked in tight behind the spindle housing? The X axis bracket on my Variaxis 500 was hidden very well.

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    hmm.. if it can be hidden, now im not shure. can you detailed explain to me where it could be?


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