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    Default 1962 Monarch 10EE 10x30 Tool Room Lathe

    So I did a thing. I bought another wreck. If its damaged, abused, or not operational . . . I think I must have it.

    I have been casually watching my area for a quite a while and its only the 2nd 10ee I've happen to notice for sale for probably a few years.

    A few up sides. The price, I got it fairly low due to its condition. Its a 30", longer bed. Its nearly complete, except for taper attachment. Taper attachment mounting is there, but it guts are missing. Spindle spins freely.

    Downsides, its been outside a while and it shows. Inner vee for carriage has a hefty gouge line half its thickness. Oh, and I need to move it, I hate moving machines .

    I had limited time to view it. Removing front electric door, I can peek through cracks and see motor is there. Was not sure how to remove two left side covers, off head stock and base. I see an allen head locking mechanism at 12 oclock of upper cover. Playing with it for a short time, could not sort out how to remove it. It seemed that needs to come off before lower base cover. Any advice there appreciated.

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    I didn't find any particular info on the 30" bed either. I know they are more rare, but anything useful someone could point out would be appreciated as well.

    This is not a project I'm going to jump on right away. Need to finish some others first.

    Pic of TA mounting, missing the pieces:

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    Pics from seller's advert:

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    Quote Originally Posted by texasgunsmith View Post
    So I did a thing. I bought another wreck. If its damaged, abused, or not operational . . . I think I must have it.
    Stay TF in Texas, needy-greedy! At least I can still pee though it! If you are meant to have TWO, GROW a functional"pair" and get used to life as a shark.



    Its a 30", longer bed.
    Wish they ALL had 30". it didn't really take up any significantly more space, sort of a "freebie" had they but grabbed that as opportunity, discontinued the 20". As it is, the Hendey T&G usually has more long-axis daylight, might be the 10EE's closest practical competitor?

    Everything else it might need can be transferred from a short-ass, including carriage traverse rack, as it is just three 10" segments instead of but two.

    - The leadscrew is longer.

    - the surfacing shaft is longer.

    And obviously so is the bed longer.

    IIRC, even the base casting and bed to base pads are identical, as the 30" just sorta 'hangs ten". TS end.

    I could be wrong. If so, someone will bust my chops later, but that is ALL I can think of at this time.

    Good score! A 30" is worth a bed regrind. Could be one's ONLY lathe.
    A 20" cannot be, so you just compensate, go and use the OTHER lathe.

    If the Module drive is still there? Clean it up and "Scissio it".
    If no joy, see everettengr's modular to SSD as another proven option.

    If no joy on cover removal by movement day, just secure the living PISS out of them so they make it home still intact where there is more time to investigate fasteners, corrosion, abuse, etc. HS covers are SERIOUSLY fragile hence salvaged replacements are gilted-edged Unicorn poop, so many have died arredy.

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    That looks better than many of the government liquidation machines set out to age before they sell. The bed can be ground the rest cleaned up, several here have started with worse.

    Steve

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    I hear Monarch buys every 30" they can find.

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    Quote Originally Posted by moonlight machine View Post
    I hear Monarch buys every 30" they can find.
    Can't blame them.

    St Marys foundry was - what? "reborn?" - NLRB had ruled SMF, Inc were a legal "successor" in continuation of Union disputes from their predecessor's day anyway.

    But does Monarch still have the patterns?

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    What uncaring sicko lets a 30" 100EE get into that condition? Glad you haev rescued it.
    Mark

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    The pattern for the 30" was lost in a fire years ago.
    I don't know if a new pattern was ever made.
    They have a 20" pattern.
    Hal

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    Quote Originally Posted by 220swift View Post
    The pattern for the 30" was lost in a fire years ago.
    I don't know if a new pattern was ever made.
    They have a 20" pattern.
    Hal
    Thanks.

    Just daydreaming out loud... of a "teach in" 10EE CNC hybrid... because Cazenuve did that to their 30" c-to-c HBX-360-BC to move to the Optica. Same bed casting, near as I can tell. Cast base under it had gone-over to a weldment ages earlier whilst still manual/tracer. Mine is the older cast one.

    But.. Optica would have a servo'ed spindle, not varidrive, And electronics & servos in place of all those costly weird-gears and tracer hydraulics.

    SHOULD HAVE cut their cost? Other than dealing with the electronics supplier I'm not fond of.

    Not the only example built on "mature" Iron", AKA "proven and respected".. Okuma?

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    Sorry, can't be too sympathetic about you having to move it. Lot less to move than your 61. A 30" is pretty rare. You'll have some work to do making that run. The cap screw on the top cover on the headstock end usually turns 90 degrees to unlock a cam. The bottom one just sits on pins so it will lift out once the top cover is off. As Thermite says, I'd strap then down when moving, they're really not held on by much.

    If it works like my CK, you'll at least need to put a bolt and clamp plate on the taper to secure the cross slide leadscrew. Hole for that bolt is on top farthest back from front of the lathe.

    Definitely looking forward to hearing about your progress on this once you get started. I certainly understand having a few too many projects.

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    Taper attachments show up on ebay from time to time but not cheap. Can you show a pic of that gouge on the inner vee? I've seen ridges there before but none being described as a gouge in a hardened bed.

    Congrats on finding a 30". I wish mine was one because I have to be so dam careful to not jab my elbow with whatever is residing in the quill.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 220swift View Post
    The pattern for the 30" was lost in a fire years ago.
    I don't know if a new pattern was ever made.
    They have a 20" pattern.
    Hal
    Evidently a new pattern was made for the 30" bed some years ago, see this from 2012: 30-inch 10EE for sale in Albuquerque (not mine, just saw it on CL.)

    In particular see post number 12.

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    It's messy, but I'm very jealous!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cole2534 View Post
    It's messy, but I'm very jealous!
    LOL! Some wise Lady of "middle years" ..., and concurrent experience .. from a tropical island once described eating a FRESH Mango that way:

    "Kinda like sex."

    "Messy, but worth it!"

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    Got over to snatch a few easy pieces off before I move it, and snatched some more pics.

    Got the end covers off, and carted home:

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    Tag by motor entrance:

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    A better look at the length. I like the extension off the base:

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    Coming around right, front side:

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    A look at the inner vee wear I mentioned. Having wiped it off better, its a little different than I described, I had noticed the upper ridge more clearly yesterday:

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    Electrical components under chip pan area:

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    Aloris tool post a plus:

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    Peaking in the door from right, TS end:

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    Government and rebuild tag, wonder if I ought to sweep it with a Geiger counter, make sure its not hot :

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    A little off topic. Seller also has a Cincinnati Toolmaster 1B, similar condition. Price about right for condition. I really would like a Toolmaster 1D with the #40 taper. 1B uses a collet, and less features. As far as esthetics, its late 1950's ish. Rounded overarm which looks nice. Later in the 1960's overarm was more box style.

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    You have the tail stock?...Phil

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    Quote Originally Posted by Phil in Montana View Post
    You have the tail stock?...Phil
    Yes, took that home yesterday.

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    I would guess the "rebuild" the government did in 89 was was electrical.
    You could call Monarch and ask them how it was powered when it left the factory.
    From the pictures of the bed, I wouldn't guess they reground the bed.
    That bed has the most wear of any I've seen pictures of.
    Just as well call around and see what they charge to grind the bed.
    Good luck.

    Hal


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