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    Interesting to see the headstock lube system, the tubes delivering to the headstock reverse gears and the slider for fwd/rvs.

    Is there a pump here or are the straight cut gears flicking oil up somehow?

    My UK CVA has none of this, just splash. A diagram I have for a higher speed version seems to have a pair of gears whose sole function is to flick up oil to a modified internal top plate and then run down into the bronze bearings.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Earl Sigurd View Post
    Interesting to see the headstock lube system, the tubes delivering to the headstock reverse gears and the slider for fwd/rvs.

    Is there a pump here or are the straight cut gears flicking oil up somehow?

    My UK CVA has none of this, just splash. A diagram I have for a higher speed version seems to have a pair of gears whose sole function is to flick up oil to a modified internal top plate and then run down into the bronze bearings.
    A CVA is cousin to the "Round Dial" 10EE. There wasn't nearly as much HS-cavity "plumbing" on the earlier ones.

    One can actually OBSERVE the amount of splash.

    Just place a perspex sheet across the open top of the HS with the cast cover and sheet-steel windage tray removed ..... and fire her up!

    Oiliness happens!

    Go figure.




    Safe assumption those Copper lines were added off the back of "field experience" learnt about as a worthwhile improvement during the round-dial years - so it is tempting to try to replicate at least "some of it" back onto the round-dial.

    Or maybe also a CVA?

    "Window" test first?

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    Called Monarch and ordered the build sheet and manual set. Asked the lady I talked to if she could email the build sheet, and she did. However page 1 of the copy in email is not clearly visible. Some I can't read at all. In correspondence, she told me the printed copy that she is sending with manuals in more clear.

    Page 2 is clear, and when I receive hard copy I'll re-post it, and add to Cal's collection.

    In the meantime, I'll post what I got. Interesting news it was a Navy lathe, with "ship to" as "Bureau of Naval Weapons Representative".

    Very cool, but now I'll be compelled to paint it gray . I was planning a medium/dark green like Oliver Green. I'm not in love with green on every machine, but I thought the 10ee would be one of those that look great in green. Sigh. . .another gray machine.

    Top of page 1:

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    Bottom of page 1

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    Page 2, this is everything on that page:

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    Quote Originally Posted by texasgunsmith View Post
    Very cool, but now I'll be compelled to paint it gray
    Not so! "Flag Blue" rather!

    Or even "whites!"

    "One day in Vietnam..", a Seabee driver picking up Oxygen & Acetylene asked if there was anything the Navy could do for us:

    "Matter of fact, we rely on wooden boardwalks to keep up out of the MUD, and the wood rots in six weeks. but we can get it to last six MONTHS .. if only we had some damned paint.. any kind. Any colour, we would not be de-foresting half the West Coast so damned fast!."

    Well? SeaBees don't f**k around with no 5-ton long-wheelbase Osh-Kosh army trucks..

    Next round, in rolls a sixty-Mike-Foxtrot-foot ass-kicking twin-screw aluminium-alloy commercial stake & platform rig ...with two rows of pallets .... several thousand gallons of Navy-gray!

    "Flag Blue", Charlie. Or "insignia blue" or "Glossy Sea Blue 623".

    Or whatever TF they used on the "Blue Angels" jets! ("No step" stencils in yellow?)

    I've used-up more than enough navy gray to "cover any requirements".



    United States Naval Aircraft Painting Practices

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    Quote Originally Posted by thermite View Post

    "Flag Blue", Charlie. Or "insignia blue" or "Glossy Sea Blue 623".

    Or whatever TF they used on the "Blue Angels" jets! ("No step" stencils in yellow?)

    I've used-up more than enough navy gray to "cover any requirements".



    United States Naval Aircraft Painting Practices
    Since you posted that I spent a bit of time going through pics in my free time. Navy vessel machine shops, 10ee's, etc. When I initially opened the link, I was thinking, I don't know, seems like dark blue doesn't come across well on machines. Atleast the finishes I saw I was not happy with. But the idea is growing on me.

    Pic from your link:

    75.jpg

    Finding some blue 10ee's, I can picture some white trimmings. Maybe interior of chip pan white too. Might even consider the insignia from figure 5 somewhere on it.

    73.jpg

    My original thought was Oliver Green, with white trimming similar to Oliver Tractors, lol.

    72.jpg

    I have 3 machines in gray, and two sharing the same color in a lighter blue. Maybe the dark blue can offset that a bit.

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    I can save the Oliver green for an old B & S surface grinder that could handle that color well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by texasgunsmith View Post
    Since you posted that I spent a bit of time going through pics in my free time. Navy vessel machine shops, 10ee's, etc. When I initially opened the link, I was thinking, I don't know, seems like dark blue doesn't come across well on machines. Atleast the finishes I saw I was not happy with. But the idea is growing on me.

    Pic from your link:

    75.jpg

    Finding some blue 10ee's, I can picture some white trimmings. Maybe interior of chip pan white too. Might even consider the insignia from figure 5 somewhere on it.

    73.jpg

    My original thought was Oliver Green, with white trimming similar to Oliver Tractors, lol.

    72.jpg

    I have 3 machines in gray, and two sharing the same color in a lighter blue. Maybe the dark blue can offset that a bit.

    74.jpg

    I can save the Oliver green for an old B & S surface grinder that could handle that color well.
    The Navy's DARKER blues actually have an elegance the neon-blues will never.

    B&S would look good in "Rock Moss Green". PM has the formulation for it. So do I.

    But "funny you should mention agriculture..." I once considered Allis-Chalmers "Persian Orange" For a 10EE...

    It might be 2035 before anyone on PM finds out what I did INSTEAD!

    As our HS coach said when one of the wrestling team asked to take a break for water in hardball training?

    "I'm not thirsty."

    So we simply sojered on!

    I was the lightest guy on the team. But trying to pin me? About as likely as putting a blowout patch onto a blacksnake's studded winter tires whilst he was ice-racing a bad-dream at full steam! Eels in drawn butter were easier to grab!


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    Quote Originally Posted by thermite View Post

    B&S would look good in "Rock Moss Green". PM has the formulation for it. So do I.


    Had to look up Rock Moss Green. Glad I did. Found an amazing Hendey restoration I never saw before from 2009, with said color.

    That is a real interesting color.

    Thread is pic heavy, some highlights, post #95:
    Hendey 14 by 6 Tie-Bar Rehab


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    Hendey 14 by 6 Tie-Bar Rehab

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    Quote Originally Posted by texasgunsmith View Post
    Had to look up Rock Moss Green. Glad I did. Found an amazing Hendey restoration I never saw before, with said color.

    That is a real interesting color.
    "As far as we know".. it was never used on a Machine Tool ... as OEM.

    And yet?

    As Patrick's Black's Hendey illustrates? For Older "Old iron"?

    It looks as if it could have been. And even SHOULD have been! Older B&S especially.

    Seen enough grey, have we not?

    Not really into '56 Buick Roadmaster red ...nor Dodge Challenger Orange metalflake, either!

    How TF can you take mic readings off a part while your eyes are bleeding?


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    Now my '59 was a Navy machine and repainted a million times, but some of the accessories, as listed on the build sheet that were still with the machine were not and still had the original paint. The closest match I have found was Toyota Cactus. Light grey but with alittle green in it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by daryl bane View Post
    Now my '59 was a Navy machine and repainted a million times, but some of the accessories, as listed on the build sheet that were still with the machine were not and still had the original paint. The closest match I have found was Toyota Cactus. Light grey but with alittle green in it.
    I'm guessing the '59 10ee you mention is from your "10ee Endgame" thread from 2009. I see your modded dials we talked about before. The thread here:
    1959 Monarch EE-Endgame

    If you don't mind posting here, would love to see some more current pics.

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    Quote Originally Posted by texasgunsmith View Post
    Since you posted that I spent a bit of time going through pics in my free time. Navy vessel machine shops, 10ee's, etc. When I initially opened the link, I was thinking, I don't know, seems like dark blue doesn't come across well on machines. Atleast the finishes I saw I was not happy with. But the idea is growing on me.
    I went with darker blue for all three Monarchs, on my monitor just a bit lighter than the toolbar on this site. You can see pictures in my albums. Color is Sherman-Williams "Indigo Batik". Finishes aren't great, I'd never make it doing auto-body work. But these are intended as working machines not show pieces.

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    I went a looked at some of my old posts, and the original paint color I used was an Alfa Romeo gray. I recently was painting my Monarch tool cabinet and found the 1970's Alfa color was difficult to source, and the best match was the Toyota Cactus.

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    I am having a heck of a time with the photos. Sorry.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rabler View Post
    I went with darker blue for all three Monarchs, on my monitor just a bit lighter than the toolbar on this site. You can see pictures in my albums. Color is Sherman-Williams "Indigo Batik". Finishes aren't great, I'd never make it doing auto-body work. But these are intended as working machines not show pieces.
    I don't know. You sure got that K & T mill looking pretty.
    New toy (K&T 3k vertical)

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    Quote Originally Posted by daryl bane View Post
    I am having a heck of a time with the photos. Sorry.
    I'll copy some of daryl's greatest hits.

    I really dig this color. Has that 1950's, 1960's feel to me.

    From the following four threads:
    1959 Monarch EE-Endgame
    Pimpin' alittle T/A
    Apron pics
    Monarch Tool Cabinet resto

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    Can't get enough 10EEs in ANY condition! Looking forward to updates. ✌✌

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    Quote Originally Posted by texasgunsmith View Post
    I really dig this color. Has that 1950's, 1960's feel to me.
    Great lookin' 10EE.
    "If i may be so bold.." Look-up the X350 (2005 XJ8-L, here) colour THEY called:

    "Metallic Mica Slate".

    As elegant greys go?

    "Tough act to follow".

    It's the depth, intensity following the light, and the hints of bluish highlights in it. Even the "metalllic" is sort of only hinted at.

    Makes Thunderbird grey look as tacky as a twenty year-old fossilized Hostess Twinky.

    Even sixteen years after it left Coventry.

    I did say "elegant?"

    Not going onto MY 10EE.

    I have the motorcar!


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    Not everyone's device's play nice with the PM site when posting photos. I followed up with Daryl and asked if he could email some pics, and I'd repost them. He was kind enough to do so.

    I find the older I get the more I enjoy good light and larger print, same for pics I guess.

    Daryl's 10ee:

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    His Monarch tool cabinet restored:

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    Last edited by texasgunsmith; 04-22-2021 at 09:40 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by texasgunsmith View Post
    Not everyone's device's play nice with the PM site when posting photos. I followed up with Daryl and asked if he could email some pic, and I'd repost them. He was kind enough to do so.

    I find the older I get the more I enjoy good light and larger print, same for pics I guess.

    Daryl's 10ee:

    81.jpg 82.jpg
    I feel like I should take a knee when I look at that thing. What a jewel of a tool!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zap921 View Post
    I feel like I should take a knee when I look at that thing. What a jewel of a tool!
    LOL! Wellll.. Daryl has some "secondary skills" few of us ken half as well!

    Put it this way...

    It's 1939 and The Pres of Monarch Machine Tool says:

    "We are going to display our new 10EE at the trade show. I want to make an impression with it!"

    "Find me that guy who can make it come across like Freddie Duesenberg's "baby grand".

    "Oh, you mean DARYL?"



    It's just gray.

    But it's as good as gray ever gets, y'see.

    And what is more subtle? That only sets the stage.

    I did say "secondary skills few of us ken half as well"???

    As is is quoted .. both ways: "God (or the Devil) is in the details."

    Ms. Angeline Dickinson. "Rio Bravo". The skimpy outfit scene. Eye popper?

    But then?

    The stockings come floating out the window!

    I did say "make an IMPRESSION!"

    It isn't just the eye. It is also the imagination... that leaves the most indelible of memories.

    Show biz thing.


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