Some original 10EE information. Receipt and inspection sheets.

Jaxian · Jun 1, 2018

Was at the local used machinery place and looking through their attic storage of old manuals and ran across a bunch of 10EE ones that had some information I thought people might find interesting.
Paul.

The original inspection sheet and packing list:

Also if anyone ever asks how much a 10EE actually cost in the 1970's here you go. The original receipt from almost exactly 40 years ago. $29,558 without tax and shipping:

The receipt is like 4 or 5 pages long with all the standard equipment listed and also options along with their prices if they ordered them. Kind of neat.:

EDIT: Yikes I just put that price in an equivalency calculator for 2018. It would be $117,339.07 in today's market. That is a bit pricey. :eek:

MortyNTenon · Jun 1, 2018

Thanks

Liquid Rocket Company !!

thermite · Jun 2, 2018

MortyNTenon said:
Thanks

Liquid Rocket Company !!

Legendary Aerojet General. And only a division, functionally.

Nike Ajax liguid fueled final stage - one of the higher volume mass-produced rockets (not their work anyway, IIRC) - was already long out of service in favour of solid fuel by 1970. Mostly, so was its successor.

I'd bet even the proverbial "fly on the wall" wudda needed a security clearance for what that 10EE was put to work at!

Might have been small attitude adjusting thrusters. Or heavy-lift. Pumps and valves and fittings perhaps, rather than firing chambers. etc.

Milland · Jun 2, 2018

Jaxian said:
Was at the local used machinery place and looking through their attic storage of old manuals and ran across a bunch of 10EE ones that had some information I thought people might find interesting.
Paul.

The history gods will thank you if you can make sure that stuff is scanned and saved to a site somewhere. If they ever want to toss it we should come up with a rescue plan.

thermite · Jun 2, 2018

Milland said:
The history gods will thank you if you can make sure that stuff is scanned and saved to a site somewhere. If they ever want to toss it we should come up with a rescue plan

Keep up in the back, willyah!

A clever and daring guy out in Ohio did that "rescue plan" some time ago, already. Had to have been some risk in that. Had to have involved hard work, building a first-class team, and seeing through some lean times. TANSTAAFL.

Most of the customers for tens of thousands of very good lathes have vanished or at least moved-on. No hope of more than the odd trip-over outta THEIR files.

Monarch Lathes, OTOH,

Monarch Lathes | Welcome | Cnc & Manual Lathes Specialists

..still has the original copy in well organized files.

How didja think they were able to tell us from a serial number what goodies our machines had shipped with, and to whom?

Jaxian · Jun 2, 2018

thermite said:
Monarch Lathes, OTOH,

Monarch Lathes | Welcome | Cnc & Manual Lathes Specialists

..still has the original copy in well organized files.

True. Still some interesting stuff in here. Here were the ones I got:

Looks like 3 10EE manuals, all a bit different looking, an 10EE operators guide. A Model 61 Parts catalog and User Manual. 3 Lodge and Shipley sales brochures. A Lagun and Samson sales brochure for some machines I have. A Monarch full sales catalog. Also a G&E Shaper brochure thing that seemed to look like the one Abom has. I will try to see if he has that one.

The one 10EE manual was really weird. It was like a huge compendium of stuff. Including what must be 25 blueprints, including turret stuff and other options and I think other models:

The sales catalog had even more neat photos, and one thing that left me wondering. Will put in next post.

Jaxian · Jun 2, 2018

So this is what the sales brochure looks like:

The sections:

Question one for me was that I had always assumed one motor type followed the previous with no overlap. These two pages seem to indicate that you could order different drive setups. Like WIAD or motor/gen.

Another:

As to other stuff in there it was just neat to see 65 year old pages that look new. More in next post...

Jaxian · Jun 2, 2018

So here is some stuff from 10EE and other models. Also a really cool full sales brochure for the 13EE with specs. Kind of neat:

Some other sections:

Some accessories in the last post..

Jaxian · Jun 2, 2018

Interesting accessories for different lathes not just 10EE, also some neat shots:

From another section:

Lots more, fun to look at, just figured I would share.

Paul.

thermite · Jun 2, 2018

Jaxian said:
These two pages seem to indicate that you could order different drive setups. Like WIAD or motor/gen.

True. There is prior evidence of special ordering beyond just natural model change order pipeline overlap. Seems to have gone on for a long time.

Probable reasons include a customer wanting to keep the newest 10EE the same as others already owned for simplicity of maintenance. Another so that performance characteristics were identical, not just almost so. Another is that MG were inherently 3-P. WiaD and Modular were inherently 1-P.

Cal Haines · Jun 2, 2018

Jaxian said:
Was at the local used machinery place and looking through their attic storage of old manuals and ran across a bunch of 10EE ones that had some information I thought people might find interesting.
Paul.
...

Any chance that they would let you borrow that stuff so that it can be scanned?

Cal

Jaxian · Jun 2, 2018

Cal Haines said:
Any chance that they would let you borrow that stuff so that it can be scanned?

Cal

I would think so. Just have to figure out which things to ask for. I didn't bother to grab the 10EE round dial manuals since I have a square dial but I know they have a bunch of other stuff. They didn't have a Model 62 manual that I could easily find just a number of Model 61 and I think older ones. Then again it's not perfectly organized so there is a lot of digging to find things.

They are cool with borrowing stuff to make copies since I treat them very well so I would think they would be OK with me borrowing to scan them. Mostly it would be a matter of me finding enough time to actually do it. But they do have such a large amount of old manuals that I think we could actually find stuff that isn't a duplicate of existing stuff already online.

Let me know which specific things I should keep an eye out for that is hard to find and would be great to get scanned in. The sales brochures are really cool information references even if they aren't manuals so I should scan some of those also.

Paul.

jmhoying · Jun 4, 2018

Monarch Files

I live about 10 miles from the Monarch Lathe Company (formerly Monarch Machine) in Sidney, Ohio. I stopped there to get copies of the files on a few friends lathes. Here is a photo of some of the file cabinets that have info on every Monarch built there. The 10EE is one of the few models still made in Sidney. Starting price without options is well over $100,000. Main customers are the U.S. Military, universities, laboratories, etc.

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